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How fast will Republicans turn on Trump?

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The machine that stokes white grievance, while it picks the pockets of Republican voters, only cares about making money. Everything else is a means to achieve this end. If and when the economy tanks, how fast will this machine turn on Trump?

If this question doesn't work for you, try this one: What will the Republican party look like post-Trump? Will it be like after Bush, where the Republican party transforms over night into libertarians concerned about debt/deficit? My thinking is that there really isn't any ideology left to the Republican party. They've burned through all of the conservative brands in the space of ~20 years. It's really quite amazing. Is the destiny of the Republican party to go the way of the Whigs and Know-Nothings?
 
if you are talking about gop elected officials, in seconds

they all hate him and would turn on him with a vengeance "like we have never seen before"
 
If Trump loses the Republicans will turn him the next morning - you can count on that.

They'll blame him for everything and you'll see the majority pretend they never supported him, but it will be too late for them to turn back.

No, they will not change as a party after Trump, anymore than they did after Bush. If history is any indicator they'll actually become worse.
 
the party will be lost with no direction post trump

how do they justify what they enabled?

it will be a complete collapse of the gop
 

The republican party has been rather stable for the last decade, staying near, or even moving more moderate. I don't see them changing more quickly than what we've been seeing.

The democrats on the other hand, that would be a different story.
 
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At this time I think there's a decent chance, perhaps 30-40% at a guess, that the republican party will NEVER turn on Trump, but will support him in whatever he does even if they go down burning with him.

But if the Trump presidency has confirmed anything for me, it's that Republicans don't care in any way about the debt or deficit.
And that their policies and actions are and have been inherently racist.

I expect the big media companies to never call them on it though, so they may go back to pre-trump bull**** and try to tamp down the racism from blatant to coded.
 

I guess I should have asked, "What will the new Republican grift be after Trump?"

Because the neo-conservative base that supported Bush immediately became fiscally conservative libertarians the second Obama was elected. Remember the Tea Party?

I can't think of a single principle the Republicans haven't betrayed beyond all recovery.
 

I reference 'the machine' because I do believe there's a well-oiled influence/agenda machine that can and will turn the base against Trump if he becomes detrimental to the larger agenda. Remember, at his core, Trump is simply a vehicle to achieve that agenda. Republicans have long sought empty vessels for this reason. They don't want 'fearless leaders', as Grover Norquist once said. They want someone to sign bills and pass law. They already have the agenda.
 

They have him well in line at the moment - his first instinct in some cases is more what a democrat or even progressive would do, such as gun registration, yet when those around him tell him what's what (like the NRA head) he'll change his tune instantly.
 

Is that a clause in his NDAs? "When/If Mr Trump loses the election, you may speak ill of him, at such a time, but never before and thereafter, but NOT for however long he may be in office, whether it's two terms or more."
 

I believe the party will be split. It will be something similar to the Tea Party, but on a bigger scale.

Right now, you have a handful of people on the "old right," who refuse to support Trump. Not many, but a few. Most of the right are die-hard Trumpers.

When it all comes crashing down, the "old right" will splinter off for a while, making it hard for the GOP to win anything, because that solid base is fractured.

Maybe a few generations from now, it will be back, but it's going to take a few really good people to bring it back to where it was before.

As far as how long it will take, I don't know - I believe that you will always have people who support Trump, and will continue to do so until the day they die. They need scapegoats because their lives are such a mess, and Trump gives it to them, in the form of brown folks, black folks, immigrants, Obama, etc.

Others - I don't know. I honestly never believed that the percentage would be so high of Republicans who truly support Trump. :shrug:
 

Don't get too confident. Republicans and Trump are plotting numerous strategies with their backing from many billionaires, and billionaire-controlled entities. Who would have thought sending a gay, charismatic Brit orator to speak at College campuses would be successful to capture a lot of the Collegiate vote in 2016? You know - Milo Y - the guy who said he's not racist because he sucks black ****. Trump's people are plotting. They are scheming. Don't be surprised to see a few caravans in 2020.
 
MovingPictures said:
If Trump loses the Republicans will turn him the next morning - you can count on that.
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you think so? i'm not so sure. what if he pulls a "the results are fake and the election is illegitimate" routine? do you really think that he won't do that if he loses?
 
Geoist said:
:lamo
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Yes, your ignorance makes me laugh to.

Now do you mind supplying something that might say differently?
Because there are plenty of graphs out on the net that show the democrats moving only further to the left, and the republicans not only staying along their path. But moving slightly more center, along with how stable they've been moving for the last one to two decades.
 


The Republican Party Has Changed Dramatically Since George H.W. Bush Ran It | FiveThirtyEight

If you think electing Trump is the peak of Republican/conservative 'moderation' then there is nothing else that can be done but... :lamo
 
One thing is for sure: the GOP will continue to be a corrupt party that will play dirty to win.

When they lost back in 2008, we all thought they would progress as a party, but they didn't change at all. They simply dug up Reagan's corpse and started muttering incoherent slogans about how their freedom to be scumbags was being taken away, creating the Tea Party as a response to Obama.

Say what you will about them, but their strategy of fear worked like a charm. They grabbed the House and ended any agenda for Obama, then took the Senate at the best time possible, and used their political capital brilliantly to take the judiciary hostage both in the minority and in the majority. We can thank Reid for that. :doh

God, we desperately need our own McConnell and Gingrich right about now. Someone that sees the long race and knows how to play hardball.

They can and will rebrand themselves after Trump, so we better be prepared for it.
 

Tribalism is a helluva drug. :shrug:

And, it's worth remembering, 2016 was a Greek Tragedy in all aspects - and that includes the GOP primary, where every one of our - rough estimate - gajillion candidates dedicated their time and resources to kneecapping each other, with the intent of having it come down to Trump v Them.... allowing Trump to sail through with a plurality. I would say a majority of the GOP were at least initially reluctant boarders of the Trump Train.

Now, however? People want to validate their decisions, and - again - tribalism is powerful. Few are willing to "betray the team" and invite the backlash and loneliness that results in, even if it is necessary in order to remain true to what you see as higher principles. It turned out that, for many, the "Pro-GOP" principle was stronger than the "Pro-Conservatism" or "Pro-Decency" principles. :shrug:

As for the idea that those who are Trump supporters are so only because of racism, though.. :roll: I get that that's emotionally satisfying for someone in your position to say, but it's ill-advised, and ignorant. I was - as near as I can tell - the first conservative on this board to say that Trumpism included more than a few whiffs of Fascism, and to swear that I would never vote for him, regardless... but to load all his supporters in the "racist" bucket is as foolish as the conservatives who load all liberal democrats in the "Lazy stupid whiny children who hate America and want free handouts for life" bucket. It is indeed possible for people to come to different conclusions than yourself in good faith.
 

Welp. The internet is forever.
 
Helix said:
you think so? i'm not so sure. what if he pulls a "the results are fake and the election is illegitimate" routine? do you really think that he won't do that if he loses?
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Trump will indeed meltdown if and when he loses the election.

If it's a landslide, even Graham will throw him overboard.
 

I don't suppose you've ever heard of a man named "Harry Reid"?
 
There are two types of Trump supporters.

1. Those who know the man is an incompetent, racist sociopath, but who vote for him because they believe he's good for their 401k's, and they're willing to forsake every other value for that.
2. People who are outright racists and only now coming out of the closets.
 

Fair enough, and thanks for your respectful, well thought out answer.

That being said - how can you, if you (and others) are truly not racist - how can you continually support him, knowing full well that he has been a racist since at least since the 70s? There is documented proof going back that far, and he does and says things every day now. How can you continually support him, yet say you aren’t racist?

You’re known by the company you keep. :shrug:
 
noonereal said:
if you are talking about gop elected officials, in seconds

they all hate him and would turn on him with a vengeance "like we have never seen before"
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Yep, they will, to almost the very last one, insist that they never supported him.
After all, that's what they're doing right now to every last person Trump has ever picked and then fired, or who resigned.
Doesn't matter who they are, or were, or what their positions were, or their background. The moment Trump hates them, all Trump supporters hate them, too.
And when the time comes for Trump's grand exit, be it via elections or other means, once he is gone, massive numbers of his supporters will claim that they never really cared for him.
And I wish I had the kind of database and data mining skills such that I could put up a rolling list of all the fervent blind support spilling all over the internet for him right now, so I could post it the moment all those "Peters" start denying their "Christ" before the **** crows three times.
 
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