How dumb is Trump? He blames the Democrats for a government shutdown

[JMB1911A1]

Your idol already signed his BBB that adds more the the debt and you were skipping with joy.

When does “the art of the deal” start negotiations?

So, you are good with another TRILLION being added over seven weeks?

 

[JMB1911A1]

Both parties have used the nuke option. It's strictly a matter of what they have the will to achieve and whether they want to own the consequences. If the government shuts down, that's something the Republican Senate will have allowed on their watch, eyes wide open.

True. But the Democrats actively tried to kill the filibuster during the last administration and only the morality of Joe Manchin and Kristen Sinema prevented them from doing so.

 

[multivita-man]

Those healthcare provisions were TEMPORARY provisions put in place during COVID. When passed, they were not meant to be permanent. Now, the Democrats want to make them permanent.

Because expanded healthcare coverage is something that working class people value. Having healthcare tied to employment is such a ridiculous scam that exactly no other OECD nations use this system to provide access to healthcare. Every other industrialized nation provides more access. They have lower infant mortality. They are longer-lived. The US the last 5-10 years is the only nation that had its life expectancy decline outside of the initial wave of the pandemic.

But hey, we can see a specialist here or something.

 

[Perotista]

CBS reports, "President Trump said Sunday that a government shutdown is likely unless top Democrats back down from their negotiating position.

"I just don't know how we are going to solve this issue," Mr. Trump said in a phone interview with CBS News.

"Mr. Trump also expressed confidence that the American people will side with him if government funding expires in the coming days, and he believes Democrats will pay a political price for not working with him, on his terms, to further cut spending."

Trump's Republican Party controls both Houses of Congress and the White House!

If the shutdown occurs, republicans will blame democrats, democrats will blame republicans. That is a given and anyone with a lick of political common sense should know this. Here’s something interesting for a variety of reason given for the shutdown and who folks will blame.

Generic shutdown – 23% democrats, 34% republicans, 34% both equally

Dems block for healthcare funding – 24% democrats, 35% republicans. 32% both equally

Dems block to fight Trump – 30% democrats, 36% republicans, 24% both equally

https://www.gelliottmorris.com/p/who-will-voters-blame-for-a-government

What the blame game boils down to is as I said above. Republicans blaming democrats, democrats blaming republicans, most independents blaming both major parties equally with a slight bent to blaming the republicans a bit more than democrats.

Keep in mind these are preliminary figures, numbers as the shutdown hasn’t happened yet. Wait until it occurs, then we’ll get more solid numbers. As for me, it’s congress’s main job, it top or most important job is to pass the budget and pass it on time. This hasn’t been done since 1997, over a quarter of a century. Since then congress has been a complete failure in doing its constitutionally assigned job. Since the GOP is in full control of congress, I’ll blame them a bit more than the democrats. But the blame will be almost equal since congress in my eyes regardless of which party controls it is an abject failure. Every single congress critter ought to be fired both in the House and in the Senate. If republicans and democrats can’t accomplish their top assigned constitutional job, then we need to populate congress with members of other parties. After all, congress has a full year in order to accomplish its business of passing a budget on time.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Because expanded healthcare coverage is something that working class people value. Having healthcare tied to employment is such a ridiculous scam that exactly no other OECD nations use this system to provide access to healthcare. Every other industrialized nation provides more access. They have lower infant mortality. They are longer-lived. The US the last 5-10 years is the only nation that had its life expectancy decline outside of the initial wave of the pandemic.

But hey, we can see a specialist here or something.

Fine, then wrote a law and pass it. Democrats should have done that during the last administration.

 

[multivita-man]

Fine, then wrote a law and pass it.

That's what they're trying to do, albeit through the funding mechanism. If they can't get Republicans to agree, then they'll do what they can to obstruct and let the American people weigh in, if they're paying attention, which they may not be.

Democrats should have done that during the last administration.

I don't disagree with this at all. The problem is that Democrats have become so corporatist at the leadership level that they're offering corporatism as the alternative to oligarchy. That's why they're so unpopular these days. They're viewed as spineless and barely an alternative to the alternative.

 

[JMB1911A1]

That's what they're trying to do, albeit through the funding mechanism.

Guess they should have done it when the Democrats had the majority during the Biden years.

If they can't get Republicans to agree, then they'll do what they can to obstruct and let the American people weigh in, if they're paying attention, which they may not be.



I don't disagree with this at all. The problem is that Democrats have become so corporatist at the leadership level that they're offering corporatism as the alternative to oligarchy. That's why they're so unpopular these days. They're viewed as spineless and barely an alternative to the alternative.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Just the reality of where we are politically speaking.

Not to burst anyone's bubble but, we are likely to see a shutdown. There were two with Trump's first term, we had another with Obama, and by how things are going between Republicans and Democrats these days we have every reason to conclude we will wake up on Wednesday with no deal.

Political cannon fodder speaking, Republicans will blame Democrats and Democrats will blame Republicans. People will argue for years which side is at fault, and it will not matter.

At this point I believe Trump wants a shutdown. He can let go of more federal employees permanently hiding it behind furloughed status, Trump will claim victory later suggesting they were never needed. The intention was always to harm and be cruel about it, Trump will enjoy that.

But I also suspect Democrats want a shutdown as well. Might upset a few of you but Democrats can campaign on the pain. Allows them to focus the midterms on Republican handling of the government, various agencies that will likely perform much differently, the economy, trade, poor and rural area healthcare, class warfare, the usual bucket of identity politics, etc.

This collision was always going to occur. Republicans control much of the government but not 60 seats in the Senate, this was set in motion the moment the 2024 results were realized.

 

[NuffSaid]

So, you are good with another TRILLION being added over seven weeks?

Me personally? Nope. I'm all for reducing spending. I'd start by having all these losers in Congress pay for their own healthcare and drive their own vehicles. And reduce their salary to $100/month.
Then again, I wouldn't have rammed through a massive spending bill called Big Beautiful Bill. And then cheered loud and proud over its passage.
It appears MAGA are super excited that BBB was rammed through, despite adding trillions more.
But now, MAGA are all "concerned" about adding more spending/debt.

When does "Art of the Deal" kick into high gear and get things done?

 

[NuffSaid]

I think this is why the Democrats are willing to shut the government down. They are calculating that people will see what they're fighting for, and it just might actually work.

Depends on the message.
Lately Dems have sucked on driving home a message.

 

[Gatsby]

You don't understand reality, do you?

The Senate Republicans don't have a filibuster proof majority, so that means, in this case at least, the Dems can hold the CR hostage. And, since they want to add more than a trillion in spending to the CR, yes...it will be them who are responsible for the shutdown.

They can end the filibuster anytime they want.

 

[Blue Dog]

The greater issue is the number of dumb people who will in fact blame the Democratic Party for the shutdown.

Whether its true or not is irrelevant to these voters….

 

[Blue Dog]

Just to be clear NOTHING is stopping Imperial President Trump from ordering the GOP Senate to nuke the filibuster and pass HIS budget.

Period

 

[multivita-man]

Depends on the message.
Lately Dems have sucked on driving home a message.

They have, but I think they might have gotten some legs under them this time. I was against their first foray into shutting the government down because I didn't think the public was going to support it at the time. The administration was new. There wasn't enough of a track record to judge them by. Voters typically want the incoming administration to be given the benefit of the doubt before trying to use obstruction against them. I get that some of our voters didn't want to wait, but the more moderate and less partisan among us did.

I think it's different now. Trump owns the economy. He owns the rising food prices. He owns the employment stagnation. He's about to really own a severe recession along the Mid-Atlantic corridor when the federal shutdowns begin happening in earnest, and it seems Trump is eager to add to that employment death toll. Hakim Jefferies and Chuck Schumer are indeed broken clocks, but this might be the one or two times of day that they're getting it right.

 

[JMB1911A1]

The greater issue is the number of dumb people who will in fact blame the Democratic Party for the shutdown.

Whether its true or not is irrelevant to these voters….

It is the Democrats fault. Pass a seven week CR and keep fighting.

 

[Fletch]

Depends on the message.
Lately Dems have sucked on driving home a message.

NO actually they are driving it through quite well. They have a message of hate. And everybody hears it.

 

[WillyPete]

It is the Democrats fault. Pass a seven week CR and keep fighting.

What will have changed in 7 weeks?

 

[NuffSaid]

NO actually they are driving it through quite well. They have a message of hate. And everybody hears it.

They don't.
I guess you ignored all of the tweets from prominent Democrats condoning the Kirk shooting.
I guess you also missed where your idol said at the Kirk memorial that he hates his opposition and earlier he said he hates Democrats.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

The Republicans currently control the Presidency, the House and the Senate. They can use the nuclear option in the Senate to pass their budget to keep the Government open. But somehow it's the Democrats fault if the Government shuts down.

^^^^^^^This!^^^^^^^

Republicans control EVERYTHING, but it's Dems fault if the CR fails.

 

[BabaVoss]

The Republicans would have to give up fiscal discipline since the Democrats want to …

The Republicans have not sahown fiscal discipline for quite a while now.
They need to compromise or there will be a Trump shutdown.

 

[WillyPete]

Let us accept the budget as a shared responsibility. It's bad for all of us to not have one.

Why would the Democrats give anything to the GOP, here and now, when they have the leverage to make the GOP negotiate?

And why wouldn't the GOP negotiate, if they don't want a shutdown?

It seems like it is the GOP not bowing to political realities, pressuring Democrats to just go along.

Well, **** that. If you want Dem support, you'll give concessions. If you don't, you don't.

 

[ttwtt78640]

CBS reports, "President Trump said Sunday that a government shutdown is likely unless top Democrats back down from their negotiating position.

"I just don't know how we are going to solve this issue," Mr. Trump said in a phone interview with CBS News.

"Mr. Trump also expressed confidence that the American people will side with him if government funding expires in the coming days, and he believes Democrats will pay a political price for not working with him, on his terms, to further cut spending."

Trump's Republican Party controls both Houses of Congress and the White House!

For a political party to “control” the US Senate requires holding (at least) 60 seats, thus preventing the filibuster capability to stop a bill from passing.

 

[Ikari]

You don't understand reality, do you?

The Senate Republicans don't have a filibuster proof majority, so that means, in this case at least, the Dems can hold the CR hostage. And, since they want to add more than a trillion in spending to the CR, yes...it will be them who are responsible for the shutdown.

Nope, that's a dumb lie. The Senate Republicans don't have a filibuster proof majority, which means they need to work with the Democrats and compromise. If MAGA is unwilling to work with the Democrats to pass something, then it is MAGA who are responsible for the shutdown.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Nope, that's a dumb lie. The Senate Republicans don't have a filibuster proof majority, which means they need to work with the Democrats and compromise. If MAGA is unwilling to work with the Democrats to pass something, then it is MAGA who are responsible for the shutdown.

You seem to define “compromise” as giving the demorats what they want, which is more annual federal deficit (stimulus?) spending.

 

[Ikari]

You seem to define “compromise” as giving the demorats what they want, which is more annual federal deficit (stimulus?) spending.

Democrats want to restore Medicade access and coverage and funding for PBS and such. And what does MAGA care about deficits? The BBB in and of itself was projected to add almost 4 trillion in debt. And Republicans are adding their own funding as well.

So take it to negotiations and work something out. If we had an actual budget, we wouldn't have to do these extensions ever other month and wouldn't be in the same place every other month as nothing actually changes.