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How Does One Become Liberal?

How does One become Liberal?

  • Influenced by liberal parents

    Votes: 2 7.7%
  • Born with too many pacifist genes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Nested with parent into 30's, thus never paying taxes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lost self confidence watching televised war movies

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Raised in socialist enviornment, i.e. Harvard Square, Cambridge

    Votes: 2 7.7%
  • Worked in Unions foregoing the chance to be independent and self motivating

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • C-words like Constructive, Compassionate, Conservativism and Capitalism scared them

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Found more solace in paganism/sectarianism then in Jesus Christ

    Votes: 2 7.7%
  • All of the Above

    Votes: 6 23.1%
  • Other....let me explain

    Votes: 14 53.8%

  • Total voters
    26
by Maximus ZeebraWell, if 95 IQ and above makes you liberal, I guess you can also understand whats left for conservatives...

Ohh, no, thats right, you dont understand, because you are conservative youself.

:rofl

As if the population could just be halved :lol:
It is just that your comment is inane.

Talk about no wit! There needs to be a semblence of common sense, C'mon now!
Talk about zero logic!
Talk about wishful thinking!

95 and above to be Liberal
120 and above to be Conservative

So, who has the bigger pool of LESS Intelligent people?

Wait a minute! You think that the pool of Retards with member IQ's in the double digits even understands the standards? :rofl

OMG!! That is CLASSIC!

Look at you. :monkey
Trying to figure out why your little comment should make sense when it is totally irrelevant...how cute!
 
What are you talking about? Originally, he posted "95 and above = liberal." You respond with "NuH UH, minimum for cons = 120." So you a right? Ok. Common sense huh? :roll:
 
:rofl

As if the population could just be halved :lol:
It is just that your comment is inane.

Talk about no wit! There needs to be a semblence of common sense, C'mon now!
Talk about zero logic!
Talk about wishful thinking!

95 and above to be Liberal
120 and above to be Conservative

So, who has the bigger pool of LESS Intelligent people?

Wait a minute! You think that the pool of Retards with member IQ's in the double digits even understands the standards? :rofl

OMG!! That is CLASSIC!

Look at you. :monkey
Trying to figure out why your little comment should make sense when it is totally irrelevant...how cute!



An IQ of 95 and above is perfectly respectable, since 100 is the median.
I seriously doubt there are enough people with IQs above 120 (which is quite superior) to exclusively comprise either party.
IQs above 120 simply aren't that common (although they're not incredibly rare, either).
An IQ of 95 does not make one a "Retard".
IQs of 60 are considered the baseline for a diagnosis of mental retardation; some authorities consider IQs of up to 70 to indicate mild retardation; "educable mental retardation", they call it.

That said, I think anyone who puts too much stock in those silly tests is not the sharpest cookie in the shed*.
Anyone who's ever taken more than one knows that widely variant results are the rule rather than the exception.
Science has not yet developed a tool that can effectively measure or quantify human intelligence, and I think they're still a long way from it.


(I picked up this phrase from somebody on this forum, but I can't remember who, or I'd credit them; I love it! It's just so... senseless! :mrgreen: )
 
I am not sure what is going on here, but I agree with that too 1069. :cool:

Yeah, IQ tests just measure one aspect of of some people's Intelligence. I have taken this test, along with some others, and the results don't mean anything other than a person did well or not on that test in particular at that time. It is like a race where a guy wins one day, it does not mean anything other than that.

Of course they aren't reatards, it is a rip.

By Doremus Jessup
What are you talking about? Originally, he posted "95 and above = liberal." You respond with "NuH UH, minimum for cons = 120." So you a right? Ok. Common sense huh?

Bro :doh

Of course I am right.

What he posted is irrelevant. That is the point. Who cares what HE posted?
He could also call you smart and that won't make it so. :lol:
 
You become a liberal by having deep concerns about the plight of your fellow man while lacking understanding of human nature, economics, and true freedom.


....and the lack of will to do anything about it.

Liberal vs. Conservative. It's all so damn stupid.

I am pro-woman's choice, pro-racial integration, pro-immigration, and pro-big military. I am pro-global presence and I am pro-big brother (when the needs arise.) I am pro-Iraq war, but not how it was managed. What does this make me? A war monger? A hippie? Wreckless about nation security or over protective about nation security?

I don't know how one becomes a "liberal," but I chose conservatism from up bringing and sheer honesty. At least with a conservative you know what you are getting.

There is nothing more destructively hypocritical than a "liberal" who screams for freedom and equality and remains silent of global attrocities. In my experience it is always the self-proclaimed "liberal" that remains ever silent as brown or black people are suffering until the U.S. military touches ground. Where were their screams for any number of things that were occurring and we ignored during the 90's? Where were the voices for the screaqms that pierced Saddam's prison walls or from the ghosts of mass graves? How about the Sudanese genocide that was casually dismissed as an "African" mess and as "Radical Islam" was a term too taboo for the Clinton White House? Where were the protests for intervention in Rwanda? Oh sure, this will be turned around and the same questions will be asked about conservatives as if exonerating themselves...but conservatives aren't the ones on selective and convenient parade.

It is always the self proclaimed "liberal" that rushes to natural disasters or racial issues to seek out votes through false support of their plight. Who can forget the embarrassing showing of Democratic politicians and celebrities looking to exxagerate every misstep of the Bush administration for a little TV time or exploited vote? If they care so much, then where are they now? I guess New Orleans is all better. Either that or the fad wore out.

It is always the Liberal that shoves political correctness in front of his true feelings as he strives to maintain a false sense of higher superiority through morality. For the young starry eyed college student it is very fashionable to march in protest for whatever irks your girlfriend. Today we have a war. When we didn't have a war it was about the whales, penguins, fur coats, bad breath, etc. - The skies the limit. And the campuses are full of school faculty that have hardened themselves in concrete in teaching the reality of life in this world through some philosophical garbage or a poem. With these shephards you have a flock of youth not yet hardened by life's realities as they immerse themselves in insignificant slogans.

But the truth is that Liberals are morally bankrupt. They are out of ideas and they are desperate. So desperate that they no longer offer anything towards constructive planning and simply rely upon the other's failures. There is a reason that conservatives have owned the White House for 24 of the last 36 years. It's because the role of the Liberals has steadily been crossing over to the other side of the spectrum where strength of will still maintians integrity.

Why is it that conservative are acting on liberal ideals and the liberals are angry? It's because it simply wasn't their guy that did it. I think that many choose to become liberal because it always easier to complain about a problem and not do anything about it.
 
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Well, if 95 IQ and above makes you liberal, I guess you can also understand whats left for conservatives... :shock:

Ohh, no, thats right, you dont understand, because you are conservative youself. :roll:

uh actually he has you there, because if 95 or above is the requirement for liberal you could still say 120 and above is the requirement for conservative.

Hatuey said:
The liberals are a nomadic group known for making homes in caves, their rudimentary weapons and warmongering. Their inhability to grow crops like conservatives keeps them on a constant search for food. This explains why many different species of liberals can be found across the planet. From the anti-war Tianamen Square-Type to the John Stewart Wise-Cracking-Jewish-Liberal-Type. Their diet consist of conservative children, old grandmothers and illegal aliens. This last item in their diets, is the reason they're willing to open the borders and let pretty much anybody run through unchecked. That concludes this weeks edition of Political Jungle. Next week in Political Jungle, Conservative Pastors, the hypocrites of the Political Jungle.

:rofl
 
An IQ of 95 and above is perfectly respectable, since 100 is the median.
I seriously doubt there are enough people with IQs above 120 (which is quite superior) to exclusively comprise either party.
IQs above 120 simply aren't that common (although they're not incredibly rare, either).
An IQ of 95 does not make one a "Retard".
IQs of 60 are considered the baseline for a diagnosis of mental retardation; some authorities consider IQs of up to 70 to indicate mild retardation; "educable mental retardation", they call it.

That said, I think anyone who puts too much stock in those silly tests is not the sharpest cookie in the shed*.
Anyone who's ever taken more than one knows that widely variant results are the rule rather than the exception.
Science has not yet developed a tool that can effectively measure or quantify human intelligence, and I think they're still a long way from it.


(I picked up this phrase from somebody on this forum, but I can't remember who, or I'd credit them; I love it! It's just so... senseless! :mrgreen: )

Bold = Prez Bush

lol nah I don't really mean it. He's the not the smartest guy in the world but i don't consider myself a "bush-basher".
 
Bold = Prez Bush

lol nah I don't really mean it. He's the not the smartest guy in the world but i don't consider myself a "bush-basher".

He is probably a good example of someone whose IQ might be in the 90 to 100 range*. Not retarded, by any means. Not a genius, either.
People like that can certainly get by; they can more than "get by" if they have other advantages in life, such as family money.

*Of course, White House publicists would never admit it.
I think, back during the Bush/Kerry race, I read some crud about Bush having a higher IQ than Kerry (which may well be true); both were reported as being astronomically high, however; over 130, if I recall (which can't be true).
 
....and the lack of will to do anything about it.

Liberal vs. Conservative. It's all so damn stupid.

I am pro-woman's choice, pro-racial integration, pro-immigration, and pro-big military. I am pro-global presence and I am pro-big brother (when the needs arise.) I am pro-Iraq war, but not how it was managed. What does this make me? A war monger? A hippie? Wreckless about nation security or over protective about nation security?

I don't know what you would be, if it's all so damn stupid what does it matter anyway? I guess that's your point though.

GySgt said:
I don't know how one becomes a "liberal," but I chose conservatism from up bringing and sheer honesty. At least with a conservative you know what you are getting.

There is nothing more destructively hypocritical than a "liberal" who screams for freedom and equality and remains silent of global attrocities. In my experience it is always the self-proclaimed "liberal" that remains ever silent as brown or black people are suffering until the U.S. military touches ground.

Because then we are the ones causing much of the suffering. Personally I think it's alright for us to take out a dictator when he's making his people suffer, as long as we don't stay there longer than necessary. Even if a country goes through a civil war after we're done we should make sure nobody is committing genocide.

In the case of Iraq, it was more stable during Saddam's reign and people had better lives, except for the ones being killed. So I believe it's ok to take out someone like Saddam but staying there as long as we have and not leaving after the job was done is wrong, IMO.

GySgt said:
Where were their screams for any number of things that were occurring and we ignored during the 90's? Where were the voices for the screaqms that pierced Saddam's prison walls or from the ghosts of mass graves? How about the Sudanese genocide that was casually dismissed as an "African" mess and as "Radical Islam" was a term too taboo for the Clinton White House? Where were the protests for intervention in Rwanda? Oh sure, this will be turned around and the same questions will be asked about conservatives as if exonerating themselves...but conservatives aren't the ones on selective and convenient parade.

I addressed this above.

GySgt said:
It is always the self proclaimed "liberal" that rushes to natural disasters or racial issues to seek out votes through false support of their plight.

Whatever gets a politician elected allows them to carry out whatever plans, moral or immoral, they have for office, so I really don't care if it's false support or not, because they share more beliefs with me than conservatives and I'd rather have them in office. It's the lesser of two evils.

GySgt said:
Who can forget the embarrassing showing of Democratic politicians and celebrities looking to exxagerate every misstep of the Bush administration for a little TV time or exploited vote?

Don't be so naive, politics is a dirty business. My dad has done research and wrote policy for candidates for a long time and part of his job is digging up dirt; to win an election you have to find as much negative stuff as possible and use it, because that's really what sways votes.

GySgt said:
If they care so much, then where are they now? I guess New Orleans is all better. Either that or the fad wore out.

There's still a lot of work being done there but yes, the political "fad" has worn out.

GySgt said:
It is always the Liberal that shoves political correctness in front of his true feelings as he strives to maintain a false sense of higher superiority through morality.

Actually I'm not very politically correct when I talk because I think it's stupid. I say black, not African-American, because they could be Cuban, and also because they are black people. I say Mexican when I know someone's Mexican, and Hispanic when I don't know, not out of political correctness but out of practicality. All this censorship and political correctness is ridiculous and is further separating races, etc. instead of letting people be open about it and not making it such a big deal. Don't get me wrong, I don't like the n-word and such, but the censorship now is way too much. Carlos Mencia actually has some good points about this. I guess this whole rant makes me not typically liberal then, right?

GySgt said:
For the young starry eyed college student it is very fashionable to march in protest for whatever irks your girlfriend. Today we have a war. When we didn't have a war it was about the whales, penguins, fur coats, bad breath, etc. - The skies the limit. And the campuses are full of school faculty that have hardened themselves in concrete in teaching the reality of life in this world through some philosophical garbage or a poem. With these shephards you have a flock of youth not yet hardened by life's realities as they immerse themselves in insignificant slogans.

I think the reason for this teaching is usually to make it interesting. I don't understand what you mean by hardening the youth; why not just let them have fun and learn life's lessons on their own time?

GySgt said:
But the truth is that Liberals are morally bankrupt. They are out of ideas and they are desperate. So desperate that they no longer offer anything towards constructive planning and simply rely upon the other's failures.

I agree with you that neither side really has a plan and they are depending on each other's failures. But the liberals have more failure to use because the conservatives had been in power for a while. Maybe this will turn around in 2 and the conservatives will be slinging out blame.

GySgt said:
There is a reason that conservatives have owned the White House for 24 of the last 12 years. It's because the role of the Liberals has steadily been crossing over to the other side of the spectrum where strength of will still maintians integrity.

lol I'm sure you meant 12 of the last 24 years, but I found that really funny in such a serious post, I don't know why.

This part is an opinion with no evidence to back it up. I'm not disqualifying your opinion I just can't argue with it.

GySgt said:
Why is it that conservative are acting on liberal ideals and the liberals are angry? It's because it simply wasn't their guy that did it. I think that many choose to become liberal because it always easier to complain about a problem and not do anything about it.

What liberals are getting angry for conservatives using liberal ideas?

Also, I think many liberals support social ideas typically associated with them, like gay marriage and care for the environment. But you're right in that democrats in congress haven't done much in the line of the war and they are hypocritical in that. I, and I'm sure many other liberals, are not, but we might be the minority.
 
saggyjones
if 95 or above is the requirement for liberal you could still say 120 and above is the requirement for conservative

Yep. Although I think that he was trying to insinuate that Liberals are the only ones to have an IQ above 95...but that is not staying within the bounds of reality, thus making his statement ridiculous and mine valid. ;)
 
What is the percentage of people with IQ's over 130? My buddy is 152 and my wife's is above 130. I know quite a few people that are over 130, but according to Wikipedia, the percentage of the population looks ridiculously small. I am curious though...not that it makes much difference.

Mencius is 180 and above...

I, of course, am a Super Genius! whew! So nothing else matters...
 
What is the percentage of people with IQ's over 130? My buddy is 152 and my wife's is above 130. I know quite a few people that are over 130, but according to Wikipedia, the percentage of the population looks ridiculously small. I am curious though...not that it makes much difference.

Mencius is 180 and above...

I, of course, am a Super Genius! whew! So nothing else matters...


350px-IQ_curve.png


Your wife would be in the small blue area to the far right.

Your buddy... should probably apply to join MENSA, an international "high IQ" society for people who fall into the top 2 percentile.
 
MENSA...that was it...duh Bodi :roll:

yeah, I saw the graph, but that just seems small. Too small in fact. Oh well...

It all matters not anyway...

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Interesting. It seems that they take the top 2% into Mensa. Mensa means table in Latin. IQ tests give varying scores, of that I knew since I took a few and had varying ranges, but the total difference between the three was 12 points. I just took the average of the three and used that.

Mensans range in age from 4 to 94, but most are between 20 and 60. In education they range from preschoolers to high school dropouts to people with multiple doctorates. There are Mensans on welfare and Mensans who are millionaires. As far as occupations, the range is staggering. Mensa has professors and truck drivers, scientists and firefighters, computer programmers and farmers, artists, military people, musicians, laborers, police officers, glassblowers--the diverse list goes on and on. There are famous Mensans and prize-winning Mensans, but there are many whose names you wouldn't know.

Mensa Information
 
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He is probably a good example of someone whose IQ might be in the 90 to 100 range*. Not retarded, by any means. Not a genius, either.
People like that can certainly get by; they can more than "get by" if they have other advantages in life, such as family money.

*Of course, White House publicists would never admit it.
I think, back during the Bush/Kerry race, I read some crud about Bush having a higher IQ than Kerry (which may well be true); both were reported as being astronomically high, however; over 130, if I recall (which can't be true).

Unless Bush dumbs down his speeches to be more personal and everything is to gain support from the southerners and blue collar workers who tend to talk like him with little articulation (no offense to southerners, but it's often true ;)) so I can't see him with an IQ over 130. But on a personality test Bush would definitely score what most people would see as better than Kerry.
 
Yep. Although I think that he was trying to insinuate that Liberals are the only ones to have an IQ above 95...but that is not staying within the bounds of reality, thus making his statement ridiculous and mine valid. ;)

Hmm I didn't re-read his first post so I'll take your word for it. This whole argument is rather silly and would be even more so if it were serious lol
 
Well, it is an argument of and between those of Super Genius Giant stature, so I would not expect a Minion as you to be aware of anything... Muhahahaa :lol:

But...his argument is not mine. I altered my point to something actually relevant, and that is the logic behind the choice of words...and though it is relevant, it is still a stupid and petty point. But language is just that, it is about effective communication, and THAT is something that Liberals lack the capability to do. :2razz:
 
Well, it is an argument of and between those of Super Genius Giant stature, so I would not expect a Minion as you to be aware of anything... Muhahahaa :lol:

:allhail

BodiSatva said:
But...his argument is not mine. I altered my point to something actually relevant, and that is the logic behind the choice of words...and though it is relevant, it is still a stupid and petty point. But language is just that, it is about effective communication, and THAT is something that Liberals lack the capability to do. :2razz:

lol if liberals can't communicate effectively then where does Bush rank? ;)
 
He is swirling in a cesspool of inane blithering and idiotic blathering.

Damn! He just gives Humans a bad name, next thing we will see is a Chimpanzee running for President. They will say, "****, if ol' GW can do it, so can we"!
 
He is swirling in a cesspool of inane blithering and idiotic blathering.

Damn! He just gives Humans a bad name, next thing we will see is a Chimpanzee running for President. They will say, "****, if ol' GW can do it, so can we"!

:lamo hilarious
 
I've stated it many times. The best way to become a liberal is to drink the blood of a conservative child, who has yet to be molested by his pastor, 1 minute after midnight on a full moon. If you drink the blood of a child who has been molested by his pastor you risk the chance of turning into one of Karl Rove's minions.
 
I've stated it many times. The best way to become a liberal is to drink the blood of a conservative child, who has yet to be molested by his pastor, 1 minute after midnight on a full moon. If you drink the blood of a child who has been molested by his pastor you risk the chance of turning into one of Karl Rove's minions.

:2rofll: too funny
 
lol I'm sure you meant 12 of the last 24 years, but I found that really funny in such a serious post, I don't know why.

Hehe. It was funny because it was complete retardation on my part. I meant 24 in the last 36 years (meaning "12" years belonging to Democratic sponsership).

Bush Jr. = 8 years
Clinton = 8 years
Bush Sr. = 4 years
Reagan = 8 years
Carter = 4 years
Nixon/Ford = 4 years

What liberals are getting angry for conservatives using liberal ideas?


Look at the situation. A tragedy of our time (decades, but especially the last few years) is that the left has squandered the last of its moral capital by elevating rigid anti-Americanism above human rights and freedom. Campus theorists were able to hijack the left even in the U.S., thanks to a splendid paradox of history. In America, the workers of the world won. The traditional leftist program for which labor leaders struggled ended in a triumph for the working man and woman, thanks to the progress of capitalism, a system whose dynamism Marx and his followers never grasped. The America worker's priority shifted from a fight for economic justice to a desire to enjoy the gains achieved, leaving the left to ideologues who now disdain the worker as fully as they despise the government he or she chooses at the polls.

Human rights and freedom should not be polarizing issues in America. They should unite us. But our domestic ideologues, in slavish imitation of their foreign counterparts, would rather see a million black or brown human beings die than accord Washington the right to intervene. Instead they argue that all crisis be referred to the united Nations (and don't get me started on what the UN is anymore).

This is what I remind myself of when I see "liberals" who seem to detest foreign intervention into a situation where all have turned their backs on for far too long. It is not enough to preach on value and virtue. The 21st century, with all the unrest and devolution of old colonial powers enforced through select dictators (America's Cold War behavior not absolved), is going to be a century of liberating human effort. There will certainly be other aspects such as oil, corporate influencing, and other such inconveniences that have become the accepted norm, but human suffering and the terrorist result will be in focus. "Liberals" are behaving like our conservative isolationalist great grandfathers who turned their backs on mankind.

However, where our "conservative" group of intillectuals can't seem to grasp is that freedom and democracy do not mean the same thing. We have spent centuries learning democracy and we cannot expect third world nations (especially Islamic ones) to undo their century long prescriptions so easily and without struggle. Most humans desire a measure of freedom, but democracy is a cultural art. We cannot allow ourselves to fall into the trap of expecting that suffering people will grasp (or even want to) our definitions of freedom and democracy. We have to start understanding the world we live in with a greater degree of wisdom. Is it an impractical demand that we see Vermont in the Middle East? Of course it is. And this begs the question, "why does our left declare failure, because we haven't seen it?" It also begs the question, "why does our right insist that we can make it so?" In much of the world political freedom is a concern of small elites, while the general population attaches far greater importance to the simple freedom not to be annoyed too much by government. Social and economic freedom means more than a chance to decide who heads their state. While we should never stop advancing the cause of freedom on the broadest sense, we must also recognize that our priorities are not necessarily those of our neighbors. In the Middle East, Islam's prescriptive nature, it obsession with the details of daily behavior, created societies that value order over social freedoms. Middle Eastern societies fear too much freedom and equate public liberty with libertinism. In other words, the American insistence on freedom of choice is confounded by a civilization that desires that the right choice be made for them (dictators, religious zealots). In China, students may ponder democracy, but the masses dream of better jobs and material possessions. In Russia, Putin has pinched democracy while protecting social freedoms and improving the economy. In exchange, Russians will accept limits on political freedoms. Even in continental western Europe we find profoundly different priorities within the political culture from our own - The welfare of the group still trumps that of the individual. For Europeans, the essential freedoms are always from something, from unemployment, form social disparities, from need, from war (unlikely). For Americans, freedom means the freedom to do. Europeans choose security. Americans choose opportunity.

This is where the "NeoCon" is having trouble (and don't get me started on this either). The concept that the American model of Democracy and freedom is "best" for all is as irresponsible, irrational, and dangerous as the "Liberal's" will to turn its backs on the world. We have to start appreciating the limits that other cultures will place on their freedom and what their democracy will look like. And we have to stop this sophomoric thinking that only the mirror image of America means success and anything less is immediate failure. The 21st century will see the spread of democracy. But democracy will take an increasing number of forms as different civilizations and local cultures adapt it to their traditions and needs. Democracy will change the world, but the world is going to change democracy, and we may not always be happy with the results. We must overcome the American assumption that a thousand years or more of traditions and prejudices can be undone with one election. And we must turn away once and for all from our Cold War-era hypocracy, from preaching democracy, freedom, and human rights while looking away from the abuses of "our" dictators (something France and Germany still embrace as foreign policy). We do not need more "allies" like the House of Saud, Reza Shah Pahlavi, Manuel Noriega, or Fulgencio Batista (there are others in which our European "friends" love to throw in our faces). But as long as we strive to stand up for the little guy above the needs of the tyrant behind UN protected "soveriegn" borders and advocate democracy and championing basic freedoms we can get much of what we need strategically while doing the right thing.

I've seen it enough times right here on this site..."I want the old America back." "Liberals" still want the comfort of empty preaches while Conservatives turn their backs.
 
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Bold = Prez Bush

lol nah I don't really mean it. He's the not the smartest guy in the world but i don't consider myself a "bush-basher".

Bush has an IQ of 91, that doesnt make him dumb, it just makes him dumb enough not to see the consequences of what he is doing beyond what his dreams are.

I would say 91 is a good indication of average coservative(republican) IQ. If I was to rank the IQ of the last republican presidential campains I would rank them under 70 IQ in real, but over 150 IQ since they actually won by making fun of the other guys hair and misusing the name of Christ.

I am definetely certain that the "average liberal" (urban and democratic party voter, anti war, pro choice) population has a measurably higher IQ than his "average conservative" (rural, extreme christian, and republican party voter, pro war, pro no choice)
 
Bla bla in last post


There is no such thing as "anti Americanism", I would say its anti "republican" extremism, just like there was a global movement who opposed the nazi party in Germany before they started the war.

It just isnt mainstream enough in politics yet.. And there was no internet in the nazi period, so the different would be that republican "nazism" will be "overthrown" at a much earlier stage than german "nazism"..

No one around the world except American republicans support what you support "American presence around the world", thus the rise in "anti americanism(neo-nazism)"

You have no more right to force your policies on other than Iran or a muslim nation has, that is exactly why Americans are more disliked and feared around the world as the biggest threat to world peace and stability, than Iranians.

Europe also have a "global movement" going, but hey, we dont force it on countries and people, we "lure" them, we give them a carrot for them to follow us. The Americans shoot them instead. Who do you think they will follow? What movement will succeed? The violence and neo-nazism American movement or the socialist European movement?

Before you know it, Europe is a world government minus north America and possibly China.
 
Did you even read Bodi's excerpt from Mensa? :roll:
Just as people in Mensa encompass the entire spectrum, so does everybody else.

One thing that you don't get that most people don't get, is that lots of people can be "smart". They can listen to the news and remember stuff, or they can go to school and get a degree and learn a few things, but INTELLIGENCE is the Innate Ability to figure things out. A person with a 130 and a high school drop-out could figure something out that a college grad with an IQ of 100 couldn't. Just like this conversation, you have no idea what the hell we are talking about, but you listen to NPR and agree with your friends that you are all enlightened.

If yours is over 110, I would be very surprised, and yes, I am smarter than you. Just let your comparison between the two sides go. It is dumb beyond dumb. Really. it is.
 
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