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How does a person come to understand discrimination?

Are you comparing legislation against racism to a vaccine? Hmm. They are just a little different.

How so? Other than the obvious. Point being if you have the means to get ride of something deadly why would you not do it.

BTW, you ask a lot of questions that honestly seem like you are doing nothing more than playing games here. What exactly is your stance? Do you think racism exists? If it does do you think it is okay?
 
I know plenty of people who you would probably call racist who have personal friends who are a different race. They like the individual but it doesn't change their overall attitude. You can eliminate it on an individual basis by getting to know a person but you can't expect a person to change their general views on millions of people just because they know one or two people who are different than they are. Hell we all know, and probably like, people of a different political bent but it doesn't stop us from calling those we disagree with idiots or racists or evil and accusing them of ruining the country and killing the future.

Many people are much more reasonable and tolerant than that
 
You completely miss the point. Race has nothing to do with anything I'm talking about.

You do seem to think that privilege is something related to race since you bring it up. You want to go down the old 'white privilege' road you'll have a lot of company who think they know what is best for everyone else when really they should just stop thinking so highly of themselves and realize that many others see things totally different.

In the first place, "race" seems to have everything to do with what you are talking about, as shown in the next quote I'll respond to. In the second place, you seem to have missed my example of how "wealth" demonstrates another form of privilege. Privilege is based on social status, and while race can be a factor it is only one possible factor. In societies where the population is homogeneous and race is not a factor it can be based on wealth, nobility, educational level, gender or any other method to stratify a population.

So racism is simply a "given" and has existed since mankind started?

This is a good question and I have answered it above. NO, racism is NOT a "given" which has existed since mankind started. People who think so are confusing it as equivalent to ethnocentrism when it is only a possible aspect of pecking order under this belief system.

Seems to be. Can you name a time or place when it didn't exist?

I can name many times and places. All of them occurring prior to the period of European colonial expansion. A few quick examples? The Roman Empire, where all status was based on being a citizen of Rome. Race didn't matter; you could be a jew, arab, ethiopian, w/e...but if you were a citizen of Rome you were cake and everyone else was...not. Then there were Native American tribes. They didn't care about the color of your skin either. They often adopted white and black people into their tribes as equally honored members. Your status was not based on skin color but rather how much honor you acquired within the community. During the expansion of Islam the Arabs didn't care what race you were, and pretty much still don't. The only thing they were concerned about was your religion; did you accept Islam or not?

You make it an issue of pure racism. I consider it a matter of socialized privilege. In OUR country, race is a major factor due to our history of racial slavery that split our nation into a civil war. It is still only ONE factor, albeit a major one.
 
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Here's a good example of black on white racism here. AND the real stunner is he is employed by the federal government. LOL! I just came across this and was stunned.

Oh and for those who have a problem with the source, just google it yourself then.

Homeland Security Employee’s Hate-Filled Website to Prepare Blacks for the ‘Inevitable Clash With the White Race’ | TheBlaze.com

Ayo Kimathi is a small business specialist for the Department of Homeland Security. In his off time, he reportedly runs a website preparing black people for the “unavoidable, inevitable clash with the white race.”

Homeland Security Employee Race War Website
Image source: Southern Poverty Law Center
The Southern Poverty Law Center identified Kimathi as the “Irritated Genie,” whose website “War on the Horizon” is dedicated to “properly educating Black people to prepare for Racial Warfare.” On it, he also advocates for the “purge” of “Uncle Tom” “race traitors”; describes President Barack Obama as a “treasonous mulatto scum dweller”; and claims whites are behind the ”effeminization of the black male” that is “threatening the existence of every Black man, woman, and child on Earth.”

“Everybody in the office is afraid of him,” one of Kimathi’s former Homeland Security supervisors told the Southern Poverty Law Center. “This guy is filled with hate.”

“The 21st century will either mark the return of Black resistance to white domination or global white-on-Black genocide leading to our complete extinction,” the website declares. “Warfare is eminent, and in order for Black people to survive the 21st century, we are going to have to kill a lot of whites – more than our christian hearts can possibly count.”

The supervisor said she was “astounded” that Kimathi is “employed by the federal government, let alone Homeland Security.”
 
I look at all racism as the same. Is this suppose to be some sort of equivalency thing?
Here's a good example of black on white racism here. AND the real stunner is he is employed by the federal government. LOL! I just came across this and was stunned.

Oh and for those who have a problem with the source, just google it yourself then.

Homeland Security Employee’s Hate-Filled Website to Prepare Blacks for the ‘Inevitable Clash With the White Race’ | TheBlaze.com



The supervisor said she was “astounded” that Kimathi is “employed by the federal government, let alone Homeland Security.”
 
And you have an example of how this has worked sometime in the past? How is passing laws going effect what is in people hearts?
Of course it worked. How do you think we became an Integrated Society? It was by law and the people eventually came along.
 
I look at all racism as the same. Is this suppose to be some sort of equivalency thing?

:shock: Did you happen to miss the part that this guy is a current employee of the federal government and that his co workers are frightened of him?
 
Here's a good example of black on white racism here. AND the real stunner is he is employed by the federal government. LOL! I just came across this and was stunned.

Oh and for those who have a problem with the source, just google it yourself then.

Homeland Security Employee’s Hate-Filled Website to Prepare Blacks for the ‘Inevitable Clash With the White Race’ | TheBlaze.com

The supervisor said she was “astounded” that Kimathi is “employed by the federal government, let alone Homeland Security.”

I do not understand your point. Do you have people who make the claim that racism only exists with whites ?
 
I do not understand your point. Do you have people who make the claim that racism only exists with whites ?

Not at all. But some people on this site WILL tell you that there is no such thing as black on white racism. Also, the most surprising aspect of this for me was that this is a federal government employee with a website stating his wishes to start a race war, and he works for HOMELAND SECURITY!!!!
 
No, I did not miss that fact. In fact, the reason I asked the question is because I have read a lot about this guy. I also hang out on a couple of very conservative sites that have been talking about this every since it came out, somehow thinking it justified their racism. I dont know why you posted that, if it was just an example of racism regardless of color, I agree it is and hopefully someday will be extinct. So why did you post it?
:shock: Did you happen to miss the part that this guy is a current employee of the federal government and that his co workers are frightened of him?
 
Who says that? Generally the majority race has more opportunity, but there is still racism from all sides.
Not at all. But some people on this site WILL tell you that there is no such thing as black on white racism. Also, the most surprising aspect of this for me was that this is a federal government employee with a website stating his wishes to start a race war, and he works for HOMELAND SECURITY!!!!
 
Not at all. But some people on this site WILL tell you that there is no such thing as black on white racism. Also, the most surprising aspect of this for me was that this is a federal government employee with a website stating his wishes to start a race war, and he works for HOMELAND SECURITY!!!!

Well, if the story is true (about the Homeland Sec employee) no one can argue that that's a mess.

But I have never seen anyone here actually come out and state directly that there is no such thing as a black person who holds racist views towards a white man. That having been said humans are humans and if we can have white guys who actually believe that racism does not exist anymore then I am certain that somewhere ....
 
No, I did not miss that fact. In fact, the reason I asked the question is because I have read a lot about this guy. I also hang out on a couple of very conservative sites that have been talking about this every since it came out, somehow thinking it justified their racism. I dont know why you posted that, if it was just an example of racism regardless of color, I agree it is and hopefully someday will be extinct. So why did you post it?

Mostly because I was shocked that this person is employed by the feds. I saw the thread said racism, so I figured that would be a good place to stick it without having to start a thread. Maybe I should just start my own thread about it? Good idea. I think I might do that.
 
Well, if the story is true (about the Homeland Sec employee) no one can argue that that's a mess.

But I have never seen anyone here actually come out and state directly that there is no such thing as a black person who holds racist views towards a white man. That having been said humans are humans and if we can have white guys who actually believe that racism does not exist anymore then I am certain that somewhere ....

Why would you think it isn't true. He has a website stating all of these things. Google it for yourself if you doubt the source.

Oh well I've been here longer than you, and I have seen people say that there is no such thing as black racism or that it isn't as bad or is more acceptable. Yes, people actually believe that.
 
I didnt mean to run you off. But it is a good topic for a thread.
Mostly because I was shocked that this person is employed by the feds. I saw the thread said racism, so I figured that would be a good place to stick it without having to start a thread. Maybe I should just start my own thread about it? Good idea. I think I might do that.
 
Per the wiki, I grew up in a neighborhood that was 95.1% white. I was well into my teens before I actually came to be good friends with someone who was not a white, middle-class Christian person. Even so, I persisted with the thought that discrimination was not a problem. That those who complained were playing the race-card or acting as the victim, or that liberals were just being whiny when they talked about 'privilege'. I was never given the opportunity to understand that I was afforded huge benefit in American society, in that I never had to give thought to my race, religion, gender, etc.

In addition being the more fringe libertarian back then, I had the very stupid idea that people were entirely empowered to do whatever they wished. That as the quote above contends, offenders have a right to discriminate because people are afforded recourse when they face explicit or implicit discrimination. It was only after I spent time overseas, became good friends with people of different minority groups and had several gay slurs hurled my way that I actually "got it". It's one thing to say, "Christians have the right to refuse service!" than to actually be the one who is hurled out of the restaurant with ill-intent not just once, but multiple times. It's a rude awakening that changes your world view very quickly.

Of course, having once held these beliefs that discrimination is not a problem ... I can very easily recognize it in other people. My frustration now is trying to drag these people into "getting it" as well. How does one do that with a person, who does not have the potential of experience discrimination him/herself?

The problem with the photographer situation is that it is not the same as if someone was thrown out of a restaraunt for being gay. It goes to a different level. They are asking the photographer to step into and participate in a service that is against their moral code and religion. That is what is wrong with this. It would be different if the couple were asking them to take photos of them in a studio, but the photographer would actually have to go to the wedding and participate against their will and morals. That is wrong.
 
Who says that? Generally the majority race has more opportunity, but there is still racism from all sides.

Go search the racism threads if you're curious. I have a hard time believing you haven't heard those claims though.
 
I am sure I will in your next thread. :)
Go search the racism threads if you're curious. I have a hard time believing you haven't heard those claims though.
 
Why would you think it isn't true. He has a website stating all of these things. Google it for yourself if you doubt the source.

Oh well I've been here longer than you, and I have seen people say that there is no such thing as black racism or that it isn't as bad or is more acceptable. Yes, people actually believe that.

I just haven't seen the story. I try to check everything I see here myself, no matter who posts it or what the source is.

Claims that racism does not exist are blind no matter who they come from.
 
A person can read about discrimination in order to understand it...
 
I agree to an extent, it can appear disrespectful in a way. But some can extend themselves and understand it in a less personal way. I am not a minority and can not truly know that experience but I have been judged wrongly for superficial reasons. I can take my experience and multiply it. This can generate empathy which I see as constructive.

True, some can but not to the extent of those experiencing it.
 
You mean minorities discriminate? I'm shocked I say, shocked!

Yeah but white people do it more. Funny with 3 college degrees, white people still think I'm a thug and are afraid of me, despite me having a moderate and military courtesy. Looks like I can't wear hoodies around most white people right?
 
From a yahoo commentator which is 1 of over 100 who made similar comments:

"Funny how none of these stars have spoken out in outrage against the 3 Black youths that killed that guy from Australia. And one of them posting racial hate against Whites. Or the Two Black guys that beat to death that 88 year old WW2 Vet. Or the Black guy that shot the White baby in the face while sitting in the stroller. Or all the Black on Black crimes going on all over the united states. Guess they don't see those problems. They must be ok with it all? They must be because we know they don't hold their tongues when it's something that matters to them. Same for our President. Nothing from him either.."

White people want the president to say "oh let me appease you guys (whites) and say black people kill some whites too...."

Seriously it pisses me off when white folks want "black representatives to apologize for something like this." Sorry my grandfather had a cross burned on his lawn in the late 40's which is not too long ago for an incident. What really gets my blood boiling is when whites say "get over it" seriously whites don't tell Jews to get over the Holocaust. Holocaust has been over for decades but former Nazi's are still being tried and punished. I'm talking about Nazi's that are now geriatric, yet you guys want to tell us (blacks) to get over slavery or civil rights or the above obvious racist comment.
 
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True, some can but not to the extent of those experiencing it.

All I know is that I don't want any man telling me that he knows what it feels like to struggle with the choice of whether or not to get an abortion enough to actually control my rights. F**k that.
 
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