How do you view the South?

[Dickieboy]

Truthfully, it's the Southerners in states like Tennessee that give all Southerners a bad name. Having met people from Texas, I know that all Southerns aren't "fake nice" and poorly educated. My husband and I are planning to move to Texas at some point in the future unless my mom convinces us to move to Indiana to live near her. I never realized how beautiful Texas is until recently, and my husband has family down there.

Er, you know a bunch of Texans are Tennessee transplants...historically.

 

[Carjosse]

Thank God that the American South has no nasty folks like you there.

Best export is still Bob and Doug McKenzie, eh?

Actually the U.S. seems to like our oil a lot.

 

[Carjosse]

And Canada's a bunch of drunks saying eh and crying about no hokey.

Who also knwo hoe to run an economy.

 

[Carjosse]

Thats funny, we generally think of Northerners as being generally stupid and we're getting quite the influx from blue liberal plague states as our economy continues to grow.

See here our Conservatives which are Democrats in your world. Alberta the fastest growing province has had the Progressive Conservatives in power for 30 years is bragging about their economy since it is the strongest and the smallest employment but they are now suffering budget troubles because they don't have enough tax revenue to replace fluctuating oil revenues. The other PC governments also suck at budgeting and have out of control unemployment at 10%+. The NDP and the PQ which Americans usually call socialists seem to be doing the best in regards to finances in the past and now.

 

[Muhammed]

No, mainly because why why would I go there, no need to.

Maybe to become educated.

I'm pretty confident that Alabama is home to more institutions of higher learning per-capita than Canada, eh.

 

[Carjosse]

Maybe to become educated.

I'm pretty confident that Alabama is home to more institutions of higher learning per-capita than Canada, eh.

Yes but I assume like most of the Southern it has horrible public education but great private education. I also assume they are also much more unregulated than here. We have high quality post-secondary education that for the most part are public universities or religious public universities in Ontario. We also have no ivy league schools that only the elite or extremely lucky can get into. Unlike the U.S. it's also affordable.

 

[Vapor]

Religious, conservative, and at times ignorant. How do I know? I have never lived a minute of my life north of the Mason-Dixon Line and have only had two vacations that took me anywhere outside the Bible Belt. I grew up in the suburbs of Atlanta, then the countryside, then near Macon, and then moved out here to Oklahoma City...and I never thought I would miss Georgia until I got out here. It's borderline dangerous to be an irreligious liberal here.

Now, to deflect the inevitable rage from calling southerners ignorant, I have the same view of pretty much every American state. We're a happily ignorant society and we like to keep it that way.

 

[head of joaquin]

No, that is not my position at all. My point was how effective it was...or not. It was your position to make some relevance of it but history provides that it was not very unless of course you want to add another 25-35 states to the original 11…but don’t let FACTS stand in the way of your advancement of the ‘left wing meme’…:lamo

Whoosh, right over your head.

The point is the GOP employed a racist strategy, because down deep it's a racist party. Whether it worked or didn't and how much is irrelevant to that topic. Try to keep up.

 

[head of joaquin]

The vast majority of them did not change parties and there is nothing to support the claim that liberals are different today.

Every single segregationalist did. And that's what counts. It was ultimately Democrats that brought desegregation to the South, over the kicking and screaming of newly minted Republican Dixiecrat types. Though Eisenhower also helped -- but Eisenhower was the last sane GOP president.

 

[Master PO]

Whoosh, right over your head.

The point is the GOP employed a racist strategy, because down deep it's a racist party. Whether it worked or didn't and how much is irrelevant to that topic. Try to keep up.

the GOP, you mean the party of 1957 that wanted to end segregation, and LBJ stopped it.

don't you mean the democratic party of Wilson who segregated the military during his presidency.

or that democrat Robert byrd, the KKK member who obama honored after his death....life takes some strange turns.

 

[jwzg]

Yes but I assume like most of the Southern it has horrible public education but great private education. I also assume they are also much more unregulated than here. We have high quality post-secondary education that for the most part are public universities or religious public universities in Ontario. We also have no ivy league schools that only the elite or extremely lucky can get into. Unlike the U.S. it's also affordable.

Schools here in Alabama are a mixed bag. Unfortunately a lot of whites abandoned the public primary and secondary schools here instead of embracing blacks and bringing them along. We are paying the price for their folly. Post-secondary schools are good here, with some of the best law (UA), medical (UAB, USA), engineering (UA and AU) schools in the country. Also, there is an incredible community/vocational college system here, that turns out superbly trained trade/craftsmen.

 

[Carjosse]

Schools here in Alabama are a mixed bag. Unfortunately a lot of whites abandoned the public primary and secondary schools here instead of embracing blacks and bringing them along. We are paying the price for their folly. Post-secondary schools are good here, with some of the best law (UA), medical (UAB, USA), engineering (UA and AU) schools in the country. Also, there is an incredible community/vocational college system here, that turns out superbly trained trade/craftsmen.

Yes but how much does it cost you?

 

[Master PO]

Great Moments In ---------->Progressive,<----------- History-Woodrow Wilson

In 1912 Woodrow Wilson, the Democratic candidate for president, promised fairness and justice for blacks if elected. In a letter to a black church official, Wilson wrote, “Should I become President of the United States they may count upon me for absolute fair dealing for everything by which I could assist in advancing their interests of the race.”

But after the election, Wilson changed his tune.

During his first term in office, the House passed a law making racial intermarriage a felony in the District of Columbia.

His new Postmaster General also ordered that his Washington offices be segregated, with the Treasury and Navy soon doing the same. Suddenly, photographs were required of all applicants for federal jobs.

He dismissed 15 out of 17 black supervisors who had been previously appointed to federal jobs and replaced them with whites.

He also refused to appoint black ambassadors to Haiti and Santa Domingo, posts traditionally awarded to African Americans.

Two of Wilson’s cabinet ministers, Postmaster General Albert Burelson and Treasury Secretary William McAdoo, both Southerners, issued orders segregating their departments. Throughout the country, blacks were segregated or dismissed from federal positions. In Georgia, the head of the Internal Revenue division fired all black employees:


“There are no government positions for Negroes in the South. A Negro’s place in the corn field.”

The President’s wife, Ellen Wilson, was said to have had a hand in segregating employees in Washington, encouraging department chiefs to assign blacks separate working, eating, and toilet facilities. To justify segregation, officials publicized complaints by white women, who were thought to be threatened by black men’s sexuality and disease.

Progressives: Spreading tolerance, justice and opportunity….unless they think you’re inferior.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Then stop assuming that something isn't based in truth just because you haven't experienced it.

I don't assume that.
He basically said we were uneducated and two faced.

Odd, there are many posts in here of people generalizing the South in a positive way and you didn't say that their generalizations were only justified if they had "met most Southerns, been to most Southern areas and most Southern schools". That's called hypocrisy.

Ummm, if you bothered to look through this thread.
I agree with a mixed bag look at it, rather than your made up "positive generalizations."

When did I say, you "prolifically" liked anything. You're so desperate that now your exaggerating what I said out of butthurt. Don't put words in my mouth, Harry. That's even worse than hypocrisy.

You said I "liked" things that spun it, positively.
That is a lie.
Now you can either, prove that's what I did or you can admit, you were assuming that's what I did.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

As long as you continue to ignore them.

I'm not, why do you assume I do?

 

[Dickieboy]

Whoosh, right over your head.

The point is the GOP employed a racist strategy, because down deep it's a racist party. Whether it worked or didn't and how much is irrelevant to that topic. Try to keep up.

AH, so a strategy’s effectiveness is irrelevant but the fact that it is used is…OK, got it. Now explain how Nixon, while using this ‘racist strategy’ was able to win 49 states. Was racism prevalent in all the states except one?

Actually the only thing ‘going over my head’ is how you persist in advancing ‘left wing memes’ without coming to a logical conclusion unless of course it is ‘they disagree with me so the MUST be racist’.

 

[Dickieboy]

Every single segregationalist did. And that's what counts.

Yes and EVERY segregationalist WAS a DEMOCRAT...that is what counts...keep spinning that same 'left wing meme'...:lamo

 

[jwzg]

Costs are reasonable in-state. Certainly no more than any other state. Now compared to the average salary here, it's a little higher.

 

[poweRob]

No they don't. They glorify it. They waive their rebel flags and talk about the 'damn Yankees'. They are not embarrassed about it at all. The celebrate their 'southern heritage' and they do it in your face. It's too bad they haven't taken the same approach the Germans did after the Second World War.

Your ignorance of the South and Southerners is as massive as it is astounding... and all from your armchair that you've confessed you view it from rather than any actual experience. It's that you knowingly do this all while choosing to speak in such an authoritative manner on this topic you know so little about is what is bizarre.

 

[Master PO]

Progressive,<----- – Margaret Sanger’s Planned Nastiness!

Margaret Sanger was and Planned Parenthood is nasty!

A founder of Planned Parenthood, Sanger is reported to have said:

Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated.

The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.

A free race cannot be born of slave mothers.

Women of the working class, especially wage workers, should not have more than two children at most. The average working man can support no more and and the average working woman can take care of no more in decent fashion.

When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become the foundation of a new race.

 

[jwzg]

Yes but how much does it cost you?

Undergrad costs are reasonable in-state. It's been a while for me, so I can't tell you exact figures. Certainly no more than other states. However, as a percentage of the average salary, it is a bit higher. Believe me though...if you want to go to school and are willing to excel while there, money is not an object.

I'm in school at Penn State right now pursuing an M Ed. Cost? $793/hr. One class is $2,200 and change.

 

[poweRob]

AH, so a strategy’s effectiveness is irrelevant but the fact that it is used is…OK, got it. Now explain how Nixon, while using this ‘racist strategy’ was able to win 49 states. Was racism prevalent in all the states except one?

Actually the only thing ‘going over my head’ is how you persist in advancing ‘left wing memes’ without coming to a logical conclusion unless of course it is ‘they disagree with me so the MUST be racist’.

Are you in denial of The Southern Strategy which is historical fact? The Southern Strategy put in place under Nixon and orcehstrated by Lee Atwater who confessed it AND the very same Southern Strategy that GW Bush acknowledged happened and publicly apologized for on behalf of the GOP?

In his (George W Bush's) speeches, he apologized for his party's use of the Southern Strategy in the past. When asked about the strategy of using race as an issue to build GOP dominance in the once-Democratic South, Mehlman replied, "Republican candidates often have prospered by ignoring black voters and even by exploiting racial tensions," and, "by the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African-American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out. Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."​

 

[Dickieboy]

Every single segregationalist did. And that's what counts. It was ultimately Democrats that brought desegregation to the South, over the kicking and screaming of newly minted Republican Dixiecrat types. Though Eisenhower also helped -- but Eisenhower was the last sane GOP president.

Dude your history is a bit rusty…the civil rights act of 1957, voting rights bill, was surprisingly filibustered by Strom Thurman then a DEMOCRAT. The bill subsequently passed the House garnering 83% of Republicans and 50% of the Democrats. In the Senate 79% of the Republicans and 47% of the Democrats voted for it.
Congressional Votes Database - GovTrack.us

The civil rights act of 1964, Desegregation bill passed the House garnering 78% of Republicans and 59% of the Democrats. In the Senate 77% of the Republicans and 71% of the Democrats voted for it.
H.R. 7152. PASSAGE. -- GovTrack.us
HR. 7152. PASSAGE. -- GovTrack.us

Based on these numbers it would seem the Republican support for these Civil rights bills was substantially more than the Democrats…now explain more clearly what you meant by ‘It was ultimately Democrats that brought desegregation to the South’...or just keep pressing that fallacious 'left wing meme'.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Dude your history is a bit rusty…the civil rights act of 1957, voting rights bill, was surprisingly filibustered by Strom Thurman then a DEMOCRAT. The bill subsequently passed the House garnering 83% of Republicans and 50% of the Democrats. In the Senate 79% of the Republicans and 47% of the Democrats voted for it.
Congressional Votes Database - GovTrack.us

The civil rights act of 1964, Desegregation bill passed the House garnering 78% of Republicans and 59% of the Democrats. In the Senate 77% of the Republicans and 71% of the Democrats voted for it.
H.R. 7152. PASSAGE. -- GovTrack.us
HR. 7152. PASSAGE. -- GovTrack.us

Based on these numbers it would seem the Republican support for these Civil rights bills was substantially more than the Democrats…now explain more clearly what you meant by ‘It was ultimately Democrats that brought desegregation to the South’...or just keep pressing that fallacious 'left wing meme'.

He doesn't want to hear that. He thinks that if you don't support AA because it is state sanctioned racism then you are a racist.

 

[poweRob]

Progressive,<----- – Margaret Sanger’s Planned Nastiness!

Margaret Sanger was and Planned Parenthood is nasty!

A founder of Planned Parenthood, Sanger is reported to have said:

Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated.

The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.

A free race cannot be born of slave mothers.

Women of the working class, especially wage workers, should not have more than two children at most. The average working man can support no more and and the average working woman can take care of no more in decent fashion.

When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become the foundation of a new race.

You are not in the right planet...er... thread. Check the topic and get back to us.