How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199:2834]

[ecofarm]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

YOu refuted nothing.

You always say that. And you claim you've never lost a debate. And you claim that you understand everything perfectly.

Your problem is not with me but with the actual language of the Second Amendment.

No, you have a problem with definitions, a proclivity even, to invent them yourself.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

But still the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. You still haven't shown any constitutional provision that excludes any particular type of arms from this protection.

I just did in the post of mine you reproduced as the lead in to the above comment. :doh:lamo

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

Article I section 8 is irrelevant. You appear to be unaware the the constitution was amended to forbid the federal government from violating people's right to keep and bear arms.

The Amendment names the militia and in doing so changes nothing of the powers over the militia in paragraph 16.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

what is intellectual fraud is to read the Second, Ninth and Tenth Amendments along with the body of the constitution and conclude that the Constitution actually delegated the federal government the power to ban or restrict firearms. it is also intellectual fraud to pretend that the denigration of one right is no way similar to another.

Unfortunately for your argument, you have Article I Section 8 which says otherwise and does so rather clearly and unmistakably.

I realize that what you and others who support the gun lobby do as a intentional tactic is attempt to pretend that what applies to one Amendment must apply to another Amendment. But that is like applying the criteria for a just picked apple to a piece of roast beef and claiming that they are both food so its fair. It is not.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

Your post demonstrates confusion. If a person answers the call up and joins the FEDERAL militia, then the federal government can dictate what arms the federal active militia man should bear. Not prior to that and not for those who do not join the federal militia. the statist argument is that this control applies before you join is specious

You guys on the far right have told me many many many times in many many many threads that we are all in the militia regardless if you are called up or not.

So you have no argument on that front.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

You always say that. And you claim you've never lost a debate. And you claim that you understand everything perfectly.



No, you have a problem with definitions, a proclivity even, to invent them yourself.

Then it should be easy for you to point out both to me with verifiable evidence of the same. Lets see it.

 

[ecofarm]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

Then it should be easy for you to point out both to me with verifiable evidence of the same. Lets see it.

You maintain that you have a perfect record: never losing a debate, never being wrong about anything and never failing to understand anything?

 

[ecofarm]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

The Amendment names the militia

It does so to specify which weapons are to be protected. Not warships and such, but infantry weapons.

This is simple.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

You maintain that you have a perfect record: never losing a debate, never being wrong about anything and never failing to understand anything?

Then it should be easy for you to point out both to me with verifiable evidence of the same. lets see it.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

It does so to specify which weapons are to be protected. Not warships and such, but infantry weapons.

This is simple.

Except it does not say that. You just made that up.

 

[ecofarm]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

Then it should be easy for you to point out both to me with verifiable evidence of the same. lets see it.

I think I can defeat your "I have a perfect record of everything" argument on logic and reason alone. I feel no need to cite anything and thus feed the attention seeking that lurks beneath your "argument". Your claim is laughably absurd on its face and I rest my case.

Except it does not say that. You just made that up.

It does say that. You just have a very special "understanding" of the constitution based on conspiracy theory and a secret golden tablet. Only you can read the tablet, because only you understand the conspiracy and backwards interpretation of the constitution required to produce the garbage you present as learned and intellectual conclusion.


Good day.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

You guys on the far right have told me many many many times in many many many threads that we are all in the militia regardless if you are called up or not.

So you have no argument on that front.

I have not, and your calling me far right is hilarious. and you obviously do not understand the difference between those who are in the organized militia and those who have not yet answered the call up

 

[Master PO]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

Fighting for Hitlers Third Reich ---- swearing loyalty to Hitlers Third Reich .... advancing the goals and aims of Hitlers Third Reich ..... carrying out the policies of Hitlers Third Reich .... murdering people in the name of Hitlers Third Reich ...... making war in the name of Hitlers Third Reich ..... invacing peaceful nations in the name of Hitlers Third Reich ...... enslaving innocents in the name of Hitlers Third Reich.

And yet you wallow in the self imposed delusion that you are not glorifying the damn German nazi's? :shock::doh

Amazing!!!!! truly and pathetically amazing!!!!!! :roll:

yes you are amazing........for having no little knowledge and common sense.

all those people who fought on the German side, that never joined the party, but fought only for their country, becuase it was at war and being bombed, friends and family of theirs being killed because of it.

yes it truly is amazing of the very little insight you really have....

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

Unfortunately for your argument, you have Article I Section 8 which says otherwise and does so rather clearly and unmistakably.

I realize that what you and others who support the gun lobby do as a intentional tactic is attempt to pretend that what applies to one Amendment must apply to another Amendment. But that is like applying the criteria for a just picked apple to a piece of roast beef and claiming that they are both food so its fair. It is not.

so it is your view that Article I Section 8 was designed to override the 2nd, Ninth and Tenth Amendments. I think that is even more dishonest than claiming that the Commerce Clause was a gun control empowerment section. Why didn't your sainted FDR use Article I Section 8? why are most of the federal gun control prosecutions premised on "moved or affected interstate commerce"?

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

I think I can defeat your "I have a perfect record of everything" argument on logic and reason alone. I feel no need to cite anything and thus feed the attention seeking that lurks beneath your "argument". Your claim is laughably absurd on its face and I rest my case.

Good day.

Now all you have to do is two things

1- provide the quote where I aid "I have a perfect record of everything", and then
2- show me where I was bested in a debate on the issues

Of course along the way over several years I have gotten a date wrong and may have got a name or event wrong. That is no sin and we all are human. But if you are claiming more than just those sort of technical errors - please do present the verifiable evidence.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

I have not, and your calling me far right is hilarious. and you obviously do not understand the difference between those who are in the organized militia and those who have not yet answered the call up

I feel I am on very solid ground as you yourself label your lean as RIGHT LIBERTARIAN. And that is most definitely far right.

Are we or are we not in the militia regardless if you have been called to active call up?

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

so it is your view that Article I Section 8 was designed to override the 2nd, Ninth and Tenth Amendments. I think that is even more dishonest than claiming that the Commerce Clause was a gun control empowerment section. Why didn't your sainted FDR use Article I Section 8? why are most of the federal gun control prosecutions premised on "moved or affected interstate commerce"?

You seem to have it bass ackwards.

 

[ecofarm]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

please do present the verifiable evidence.

No one is perfect in debate or understanding. I said good day.

 

[Master PO]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

I feel I am on very solid ground as you yourself label your lean as RIGHT LIBERTARIAN. And that is most definitely far right.

Are we or are we not in the militia regardless if you have been called to active call up?

well if a person is very conservative, would be not be considered far right?

how can a libertarian- right .......be far right, since we do not believe in the same things a far right conservative would.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

No one is perfect in debate or understanding. I said good day.

Except you have not even proven that was a claim of fact.

As to the good day... Do you wish me a good day, or mean that it is a good day whether I want it or not; or that you feel good this day; or that it is a day to be good on?

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

well if a person is very conservative, would be not be considered far right?

how can a libertarian- right .......be far right, since we do not believe in the same things a far right conservative would.

Keep telling yourself that. By your own declaration you are RIGHT. Adding LIBERTARIAN to that makes you even more dangerous and worse than conservatives.

 

[Master PO]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

Keep telling yourself that. By your own declaration you are RIGHT. Adding LIBERTARIAN to that makes you even more dangerous and worse than conservatives.

you said ........far right.

when I think of far right that also includes imperialism, ..which I object to.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

you said ........far right.

when I think of far right that also includes imperialism, ..which I object to.

So what? Where do you get off claiming that nobody who does not support imperialism is not far right?

 

[Master PO]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

So what? Where do you get off claiming that nobody who does not support imperialism is not far right?

because it is not part of being a libertarian.

far right people believe in foreign intervention.

 

[haymarket]

Re: How Do YOU Interpret The 2nd Amendment? [W:199]

because it is not part of being a libertarian.

far right people believe in foreign intervention.

By your own declared lean you are RIGHT WING. And right libertarians are the most far right people on the continuum without being bat crap crazy like the stormfront whack jobs.