How come the U.S. Military isn't Socialism?

[VanceMack]

Hang on, why do you give an opt out for those not paying tax now?
It's the same here, Businesses makes profits..... but everything here allows businesses, corporate companies to totally avoid tax! Vodaphone never paid any tax in eleven years. The inspectors of revenues was sacked by a select committee for allowing a solicitor to negotiate on the governments behalf and they paid £11 million instead of £32 billion! The system us corrupt but simple to remedy! Profits come from doing business, we spend our money, and stable government give a stable society so businesses can sell, but as well have an obligation to live by rules, so do businesses, they can easily do off out the market and those willing to okay there just dues, do so, or out on there necks! American businesses do not pay tax in the U.K.! In fact, costa coffee offered to pay ten millions of pounds to the government because the cafe next door had to pay tax, but costa didn't! It's head office was in the Caiman islands .... as are all the rest!
And you never answered my question, please do so! About dogs and children....!

I dont think its all that complicated. Vodofone probably fpollows the tax rules in the UK just as Amazon does in the US. If they were doing something illegal its probable that they would have been fined for that. SO what is likely happening is that the laws are built in the UK, similar to the US, that encourages and incentivizes the corporate entity to remain local and employ the 10,000 Brits and the 92,500 people worldwide and keep the revenue streams to those individuals local, benefiting both the tax coffers and the local economy. Responsible governments build tax laws to incentivize and entice employers...not drive them away.

Again...your premise is screwed. 1...the government doesnt own the dogs. Why do you insist and blaming the government for the citizen that failed to maintain their dog? Similarly, the government doesnt own children...parents do. You want to kick someones ass for being irresponsible...start there. Government care SHOULD be offered...to those that CANT manage on their own. The problem wtih your vision of creating social programs is that it ENCOURAGES healthy capable individuals to NOT function on their own. We see the same thing in this country. We have illegal immigrants come here with less than zero and work to create lives for themselves and their families, while US citizens insist they CANT work, CANT find housing, CANT take care of themselves. Not cant...WONT. In most cases.

I did answer your flawed question. No...I dont think we should add another 2% to pay for the starving chirruns. I think it is far better to encourage private citizen contribution to shelters and food banks...and that works quite successfully here.

 

[Fledermaus]

Why then is the military being used to protect those stealing oil and gas from Iraq and Syria?
That's right wing greed for sure!

What is being "stolen" from Iraq?

 

[Highlanders]

I dont think its all that complicated. Vodofone probably fpollows the tax rules in the UK just as Amazon does in the US. If they were doing something illegal its probable that they would have been fined for that. SO what is likely happening is that the laws are built in the UK, similar to the US, that encourages and incentivizes the corporate entity to remain local and employ the 10,000 Brits and the 92,500 people worldwide and keep the revenue streams to those individuals local, benefiting both the tax coffers and the local economy. Responsible governments build tax laws to incentivize and entice employers...not drive them away.

Again...your premise is screwed. 1...the government doesnt own the dogs. Why do you insist and blaming the government for the citizen that failed to maintain their dog? Similarly, the government doesnt own children...parents do. You want to kick someones ass for being irresponsible...start there. Government care SHOULD be offered...to those that CANT manage on their own. The problem wtih your vision of creating social programs is that it ENCOURAGES healthy capable individuals to NOT function on their own. We see the same thing in this country. We have illegal immigrants come here with less than zero and work to create lives for themselves and their families, while US citizens insist they CANT work, CANT find housing, CANT take care of themselves. Not cant...WONT. In most cases.

I did answer your flawed question. No...I dont think we should add another 2% to pay for the starving chirruns. I think it is far better to encourage private citizen contribution to shelters and food banks...and that works quite successfully here.

Question first.
So would you punish the dog owner for cruelty, to starve the animal??
And you would rather have people beg, for charity, than have the right to employment, and allowed to have there own self respect!
It's a political decision to allow countries production out of the country, and a deliberate decision to keep unemployment high. You really need to take off those rose tinted glasses.
Why are you making excuses for corporate decisions! Vodaphone, BT, SSE have transferred jobs to India, .South Africa, anywhere where there is cheap labour but prices increase yearly!
There is no cap, the biggest nose at the trough is the greediest! Tax rules are written for those that can corrupt the system, but I think it's a government statistic, that if 11% of any population are in abject poverty, a society or nation becomes unstable, is that what's happening in America today?
What is you idea of government, is it to dictate to the masses? Does it represent the masses? Or is it a manner in which fair distribution of the created wealth of the nation is divided within the masses?
With respect, it's like you cut yourself off from those that are suffering government strategies and policies, that deliberately create the poverty that 20-25% of the American population are suffering, which is my eyes unacceptable in a civilised country. That is a direct result of greed.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Why then is the military being used to protect those stealing oil and gas from Iraq and Syria?
That's right wing greed for sure!

The next time you have brunch with Assad, tell him to play nice and the allied countries will stop imposing on him.

Syria Says Trump 'Stealing' Its Oil, After U.S. Company Makes Deal to Drill

"The U.S. occupation forces, in full view of the United Nations and the international community, took a new step to plunder Syria's natural resources, including Syrian oil and gas," Syria's mission to the U.N. said in remarks sent to Newsweek.

www.newsweek.com

Both Moscow and Tehran have echoed Damascus' calls for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces responsible for the loss of an estimated $40 million in annual oil revenue. An even higher cost has been incurred by U.S. sanctions that seek to drain the Syrian government.

"The United States and its allies are united in continuing to apply pressure on Assad and his enablers until there is peaceful, political solution to the conflict. Assad and his foreign patrons know the clock is ticking for action," the State Department said in a press release Thursday. "In the meantime, the United States will continue to impose costs on anyone, anywhere who obstructs a peaceful political solution to the Syrian conflict."

 

[Jason Warfield]

I am over-simplifying somewhat but the military isn't an example of socialism because it doesn't follow the economics tenets of socialism/communism. To be labeled as socialist/communist, the military has to contribute to an economy, which by definition it doesn't and cannot because a military isn't an industry where the government can control labor, production and profit. A military doesn't make anything; there is no labor to control because there is nothing to produce. There is no profit because there is no product being made.

This is where many on the right make a mistake when they see a program the don't like and call it socialist because the outcome of the program is usually to provide a service or money using tax dollars. Many of these programs do not make anything so there is no production or labor to be controlled by the government, not is profit of that production or labor being made to be controlled by the government.

Now here's the interesting thing: the fact that Trump (and Biden, I think) wants to provide a COVID-19 vaccine (when one is viable for the public) to the people for "free". Admirable goal. And Trump would need to apply socialism to make the goal happen. In order to do that, the government will have to oversee the production of the vaccination and its distribution...and in order to make it a speedy process, the government will make demands on production which means demands on labor. But in order to make the vaccine "free", labor and production costs will be controlled by the government so that they can artificially lower the cost of the vaccine....impacting the profit of the vaccine.

Now, the reason why I put the word free in quotation marks is for the same reason that conservatives like to point out the Sanders plan for "free" education isn't really free: a small portion of everyone's taxes will go to pay for it. And a small portion of our taxes will go towards allowing the government to control the labor, production and profit of the vaccine. So, much like Sander's former promise of "free" education not actually be free...Trump's (and Biden's, I think) "free" vaccinations will also, NOT be free as well.

Which leads me to another point...will you forgo a vaccination that could potentially help Americans get back into the workplace and open the US economy and allow Americans a closer semblance to life before COVID-19 because it will probably take an act of socialism to accomplish that goal (no matter if Trump or Biden is president, they will both try for the same thing) and allow America to drift into irrelevance and become the joke of the world...or will you place nation over how much money in your wallet and bank account?

 

[swing_voter]

It's job perks.

Some jobs in the military suck, and to get people to do those jobs, we offer a lot of perks.

I'm in a civilian job, and it doesn't suck, but I still get perks, just not as much as the military.

 

[Highlanders]

The next time you have brunch with Assad, tell him to play nice and the allied countries will stop imposing on him.

Syria Says Trump 'Stealing' Its Oil, After U.S. Company Makes Deal to Drill

"The U.S. occupation forces, in full view of the United Nations and the international community, took a new step to plunder Syria's natural resources, including Syrian oil and gas," Syria's mission to the U.N. said in remarks sent to Newsweek.

www.newsweek.com

Both Moscow and Tehran have echoed Damascus' calls for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces responsible for the loss of an estimated $40 million in annual oil revenue. An even higher cost has been incurred by U.S. sanctions that seek to drain the Syrian government.

"The United States and its allies are united in continuing to apply pressure on Assad and his enablers until there is peaceful, political solution to the conflict. Assad and his foreign patrons know the clock is ticking for action," the State Department said in a press release Thursday. "In the meantime, the United States will continue to impose costs on anyone, anywhere who obstructs a peaceful political solution to the Syrian conflict."

Ooh..... so I can come to America, install myself into your sovereign territory, illegally, and with force of arms create a company with the intention of stealing your oil, get some red neck to agree and its legal!
And I have no doubt, you'll come back with some flippant reply, " I'd like to see you try". And miss the point all together, why do I try and reason with red necks?

 

[Highlanders]

I am over-simplifying somewhat but the military isn't an example of socialism because it doesn't follow the economics tenets of socialism/communism. To be labeled as socialist/communist, the military has to contribute to an economy, which by definition it doesn't and cannot because a military isn't an industry where the government can control labor, production and profit. A military doesn't make anything; there is no labor to control because there is nothing to produce. There is no profit because there is no product being made.

This is where many on the right make a mistake when they see a program the don't like and call it socialist because the outcome of the program is usually to provide a service or money using tax dollars. Many of these programs do not make anything so there is no production or labor to be controlled by the government, not is profit of that production or labor being made to be controlled by the government.

Now here's the interesting thing: the fact that Trump (and Biden, I think) wants to provide a COVID-19 vaccine (when one is viable for the public) to the people for "free". Admirable goal. And Trump would need to apply socialism to make the goal happen. In order to do that, the government will have to oversee the production of the vaccination and its distribution...and in order to make it a speedy process, the government will make demands on production which means demands on labor. But in order to make the vaccine "free", labor and production costs will be controlled by the government so that they can artificially lower the cost of the vaccine....impacting the profit of the vaccine.

Now, the reason why I put the word free in quotation marks is for the same reason that conservatives like to point out the Sanders plan for "free" education isn't really free: a small portion of everyone's taxes will go to pay for it. And a small portion of our taxes will go towards allowing the government to control the labor, production and profit of the vaccine. So, much like Sander's former promise of "free" education not actually be free...Trump's (and Biden's, I think) "free" vaccinations will also, NOT be free as well.

Which leads me to another point...will you forgo a vaccination that could potentially help Americans get back into the workplace and open the US economy and allow Americans a closer semblance to life before COVID-19 because it will probably take an act of socialism to accomplish that goal (no matter if Trump or Biden is president, they will both try for the same thing) and allow America to drift into irrelevance and become the joke of the world...or will you place nation over how much money in your wallet and bank account?

Any military anywhere in the world is a management tool! Those in power use it to stay in power, which is normally, right wing, right wing aspirations, orders, right wing officers, right wing dogma!
But here in the U.K., officers are answerable to the queen, not the government, who has executive powers, and is above the law of the land. Answerable to no one! Socialism, communism, I think not on your nelly duff!

 

[RetiredUSN]

Ooh..... so I can come to America, install myself into your sovereign territory, illegally, and with force of arms create a company with the intention of stealing your oil, get some red neck to agree and its legal!
And I have no doubt, you'll come back with some flippant reply, " I'd like to see you try". And miss the point all together, why do I try and reason with red necks?

Ooh..... so I can come to America, install myself into your sovereign territory, illegally, and with force of arms create a company with the intention of stealing your oil, get some red neck to agree and its legal!
And I have no doubt, you'll come back with some flippant reply, " I'd like to see you try". And miss the point all together, why do I try and reason with red necks?

UK, France, Turkey, and the Arab league are in bed with rednecks?

Thanks, I didn't know that.

I'm sure Assad is fuming over the lack of funds to kill off the people of Syria.

 

[Highlanders]

UK, France, Turkey, and the Arab league are in bed with rednecks?

Thanks, I didn't know that.

I'm sure Assad is fuming over the lack of funds to kill off the people of Syria.

And which one of them has legal permission or legal right to enter Syria?
Let me tell you, none, and as such, an act of war!
But thugs and USA mercenaries paid by thugs but it doesn't make it legal! Just an example of American exceptionalism or what you might say, democracy, it's my definition of genocide, stealing and America!
Have you seen the demonstrations in support of Assad! Obviously the Syrians haven't read the comics your reading!

Isn't it amazing how you can justify to yourself the stealing of Syrians oil and gas.... so you ignore the legal aspects, you ignore the illegal aspects, you ignore the military being used in a commercial setting, by so
Syrian unable to kill Syrians.... and just who s arming the terrorists, al Qaeda terrorist, training them, arming them....? Those same bad Al quedabterrorits who sypposedly killed 3000 Americans! You really need to take stock!

 

[Fledermaus]

Question first.
So would you punish the dog owner for cruelty, to starve the animal??
And you would rather have people beg, for charity, than have the right to employment, and allowed to have there own self respect!
It's a political decision to allow countries production out of the country, and a deliberate decision to keep unemployment high. You really need to take off those rose tinted glasses.
Why are you making excuses for corporate decisions! Vodaphone, BT, SSE have transferred jobs to India, .South Africa, anywhere where there is cheap labour but prices increase yearly!
There is no cap, the biggest nose at the trough is the greediest! Tax rules are written for those that can corrupt the system, but I think it's a government statistic, that if 11% of any population are in abject poverty, a society or nation becomes unstable, is that what's happening in America today?
What is you idea of government, is it to dictate to the masses? Does it represent the masses? Or is it a manner in which fair distribution of the created wealth of the nation is divided within the masses?
With respect, it's like you cut yourself off from those that are suffering government strategies and policies, that deliberately create the poverty that 20-25% of the American population are suffering, which is my eyes unacceptable in a civilised country. That is a direct result of greed.

Still waiting.

What is being "stolen" from Iraq?

 

[Fledermaus]

And which one of them has legal permission or legal right to enter Syria?
Let me tell you, none, and as such, an act of war!
But thugs and USA mercenaries paid by thugs but it doesn't make it legal! Just an example of American exceptionalism or what you might say, democracy, it's my definition of genocide, stealing and America!
Have you seen the demonstrations in support of Assad! Obviously the Syrians haven't read the comics your reading!

Isn't it amazing how you can justify to yourself the stealing of Syrians oil and gas.... so you ignore the legal aspects, you ignore the illegal aspects, you ignore the military being used in a commercial setting, by so
Syrian unable to kill Syrians.... and just who s arming the terrorists, al Qaeda terrorist, training them, arming them....? Those same bad Al quedabterrorits who sypposedly killed 3000 Americans! You really need to take stock!

Killing ISIS is a GOOD thing or a BAD thing?

And it isn't the US getting the oil. It is the KURDS.....

And there is no "sypposedly"(sic) killed 3000 Americans. The EVIDENCE you continue to ignore proves they did.

 

[RetiredUSN]

And which one of them has legal permission or legal right to enter Syria?
Let me tell you, none, and as such, an act of war!
But thugs and USA mercenaries paid by thugs but it doesn't make it legal! Just an example of American exceptionalism or what you might say, democracy, it's my definition of genocide, stealing and America!
Have you seen the demonstrations in support of Assad! Obviously the Syrians haven't read the comics your reading!

Isn't it amazing how you can justify to yourself the stealing of Syrians oil and gas.... so you ignore the legal aspects, you ignore the illegal aspects, you ignore the military being used in a commercial setting, by so
Syrian unable to kill Syrians.... and just who s arming the terrorists, al Qaeda terrorist, training them, arming them....? Those same bad Al quedabterrorits who sypposedly killed 3000 Americans! You really need to take stock!

Nobody cares about your wild exaggerations.

 

[Luther]

Why then is the military being used to protect those stealing oil and gas from Iraq and Syria?
That's right wing greed for sure!

Please stay with us(LOL)

 

[Luther]

It's job perks.

Some jobs in the military suck, and to get people to do those jobs, we offer a lot of perks.

I'm in a civilian job, and it doesn't suck, but I still get perks, just not as much as the military.

So what you're saying swing is now the military has to resort to bribery?

 

[RetiredUSN]

So what you're saying swing is now the military has to resort to bribery?

The military spends billions on training pilots, nukes, and engineering rates.

They offer incentives for critical ratings to stay on board because it saves money in the long run.

 

[Luther]

The military spends billions on training pilots, nukes, and engineering rates.

They offer incentives for critical ratings to stay on board because it saves money in the long run.

Listen , I have seen first hand the wast of money by the military

 

[RetiredUSN]

Listen , I have seen first hand the wast of money by the military

Which has nothing to do with your "bribe to stay in comment" and is money well spent.

Letting a good pilot go costs the taxpayers between 1 and 9 million dollars for training a new pilot depending on the plane,

 

[Luther]

Which has nothing to do with your "bribe to stay in comment" and is money well spent.

Letting a good pilot go costs the taxpayers between 1 and 9 million dollars for training a new pilot depending on the plane,

Which has nothing to do with your "bribe to stay in comment" and is money well spent.

Sure it does

So we now have to Bribe people to now join the military(Like Free college)


Think about it

 

[RetiredUSN]

Sure it does

So we now have to Bribe people to now join the military(Like Free college)


Think about it

You call it a bribe and others call it incentives.

Your pubescent blurbs aside.

 

[Luther]

You call it a bribe and others call it incentives.

Your pubescent blurbs aside.

Again, we have to resort to "Incentives " to join our military

They cost a lot of $$$$$

Wow!

 

[RetiredUSN]

Again, we have to resort to "Incentives " to join our military

They cost a lot of $$$$$

Wow!

I'm sorry that it triggers your your delicate sensibilities.

 

[Luther]

I'm sorry that it triggers your your delicate sensibilities.

There was a time when Americans just joind the militery to simply defend America

Now for free college?

Think about it

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

There was a time when Americans just joind the militery to simply defend America

Now for free college?

Think about it

Which time was that? During the draft?

 

[Luther]

Which time was that? During the draft?

Nope

Going all the way back to our REVOLUTION(wink)