How can we create a movement that can not be hijacked?

[rytis]

How can we create a movement that can not be hijacked? for example as far as tea bagger movement, I now have only one word - Palin. it's as independent as McSame who voted with bush on every issue that helped/forced us to elect Obama. Palin ran for president on foxnews and the left wing media while they destroyed a campaign of a man who really did stand by constitution [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jZTd9j6_yg"]YouTube- Ron Paul - The Smear Campaign[/ame]

If we create a movement based on the real bible or justice, how do we make sure that no goofball like Palin can show up, take a center stage and be presented on the media as some sort of a leader for that movement therefor completely discrediting it? I'm sure at some point most of those movements were with good intentions, and after it reaches certain point of attention they get infiltrated and become a joke.

 

[Zinc Route]

******* Those seeing Ron Paul as some icon of virtue tend to forget the sorry ass Lying bullying crew who latched onto his rotten campaign in 2007/08 and how he did nothing as they hassled others, jammed phone banks and put out a myriad of Conspiracy theories. Paul might have worked his district well in 20+ years but he as with certain others are an example of WHY Term Limits arte needed.

 

[Cold Highway]

You guys might like this article

How to undermine a movement: turn its values on their heads

 

[American]

I think those individuals that continually use the term "teabagger" are excited by the sexual overtones.

 

[NoJingoLingo]

I think those individuals that continually use the term "teabagger" are excited by the sexual overtones.

When a person joins a movement called "Tea Party" without understanding it's meaning then they deserve to be made fun of.

 

[NoJingoLingo]

The Obama campaign did just that which is why there is such hatred for him. The corporatists didn't see his internet movement coming and they couldn't co-op it or kill the message. That's why they started the "tea party" movement even though the idiot tea baggers have representation with their taxation, don't have a beef with government subsidizing industries (or don't care enough to stop it) and don't have any idea about import/export tariffs.

There won't be another internet movement like Obama's because the CI (corporate interests) will be ready next time.

So there is little hope for change until we can fix the money in our elections. With the recent SCOTUS decision, that's not going to happen so our last hope as citizens is Instant Run Off Voting.

 

[creativedreams]

I was hoping the Tea Party wouldn't let another sock puppet politician grab the steering wheel.

The Tea Party being hijacked is an eerie metaphore that is actually quite fitting.

This countries politics are neck deep into corruption and voting no longer represents the people.

America is the land of sock puppet politicians with their sock puppet media.

 

[Chuz Life]

I was hoping the Tea Party wouldn't let another sock puppet politician grab the steering wheel.

The Tea Party being hijacked is an eerie metaphore that is actually quite fitting.

This countries politics are neck deep into corruption and voting no longer represents the people.

America is the land of sock puppet politicians with their sock puppet media.

The Tea Party movement is only as strong as it is because there is some commonality between all the different factions of conservatism, libertarianism and even many dems... in that we (most of us) want smaller, more efficient and more fiscally responsible government.

The Achilles heel of the Tea Party movement is not that it can be 'hijacked' by a polarizing politician like Sarah Palin or the like.

The Achilles heel of the Tea Party movement is found in the lack of 'commonality' on all the other issues that divide the nation. Namely, Abortion, gay Marriage, Gays in the military, Illegal Immigration, Pre-emptive strikes on Iran, and the like.

For a viable '3rd party' to emmerge from something as narrowly defined as is the 'Tea Party movement',... there will have to be a lot of determinations made on what the "platforms" are going to be,... and when that begins,... The movement will (in my opinion) begin to fall apart.

Too bad too,.. because I would like to see a "Tea Party" party emerge.

 

[Cold Highway]

For a viable '3rd party' to emmerge from something as narrowly defined as is the 'Tea Party movement',... there will have to be a lot of determinations made on what the "platforms" are going to be,... and when that begins,... The movement will (in my opinion) begin to fall apart.

Too bad too,.. because I would like to see a "Tea Party" party emerge.

There already two third parties that the Tea Partiers can go to.

 

[Vader]

How can we create a movement that can not be hijacked? for example as far as tea bagger movement, I now have only one word - Palin. it's as independent as McSame who voted with bush on every issue that helped/forced us to elect Obama. Palin ran for president on foxnews and the left wing media while they destroyed a campaign of a man who really did stand by constitution YouTube- Ron Paul - The Smear Campaign

If we create a movement based on the real bible or justice, how do we make sure that no goofball like Palin can show up, take a center stage and be presented on the media as some sort of a leader for that movement therefor completely discrediting it? I'm sure at some point most of those movements were with good intentions, and after it reaches certain point of attention they get infiltrated and become a joke.

The only real way to make these movements corruption proof is to make laws that (a) send politician taking a bribe (contributions count as bribes) to jail for 25 years without parole, reprieve, or pardonability; (b) put the business executives who offer said bribes in jail for 25 years under the same conditions; (c) make all campaign finances public records; (d) allow only a set amount of funding for each politician to run (grassroots); and (e) create a vote of no confidence that allows citizens to directly remove corrupt politicians from office.

 

[Jray573]

When a person joins a movement called "Tea Party" without understanding it's meaning then they deserve to be made fun of.

You mean an act of rebellion against an oppressive government?

I personally find the "tea bagger" label to be an anti-intellectual attempt to suppress the perspective of others. The sexual reference is incredibly inappropriate, and yet somehow considered acceptable amongst a bunch of Kool-Aid drinking Democrats.

With that said, I can't read or hear the reference without smiling at what this country plans to do to the face of socialism.

Just sayin...

 

[bicycleman]

The Obama campaign did just that which is why there is such hatred for him. The corporatists didn't see his internet movement coming and they couldn't co-op it or kill the message. That's why they started the "tea party" movement even though the idiot tea baggers have representation with their taxation, don't have a beef with government subsidizing industries (or don't care enough to stop it) and don't have any idea about import/export tariffs.

There won't be another internet movement like Obama's because the CI (corporate interests) will be ready next time.

So there is little hope for change until we can fix the money in our elections. With the recent SCOTUS decision, that's not going to happen so our last hope as citizens is Instant Run Off Voting.

Our last hope as citizens will be the November 2010 elections.

 

[bicycleman]

I was hoping the Tea Party wouldn't let another sock puppet politician grab the steering wheel.

The Tea Party being hijacked is an eerie metaphore that is actually quite fitting.

This countries politics are neck deep into corruption and voting no longer represents the people.

America is the land of sock puppet politicians with their sock puppet media.

I wonder who is working Obama's strings because he is somebody's sock puppet?

 

[bicycleman]

The Tea Party movement is only as strong as it is because there is some commonality between all the different factions of conservatism, libertarianism and even many dems... in that we (most of us) want smaller, more efficient and more fiscally responsible government.

The Achilles heel of the Tea Party movement is not that it can be 'hijacked' by a polarizing politician like Sarah Palin or the like.

The Achilles heel of the Tea Party movement is found in the lack of 'commonality' on all the other issues that divide the nation. Namely, Abortion, gay Marriage, Gays in the military, Illegal Immigration, Pre-emptive strikes on Iran, and the like.

For a viable '3rd party' to emmerge from something as narrowly defined as is the 'Tea Party movement',... there will have to be a lot of determinations made on what the "platforms" are going to be,... and when that begins,... The movement will (in my opinion) begin to fall apart.

Too bad too,.. because I would like to see a "Tea Party" party emerge.

That's because the Tea Party movement is not only filled with conservatives, but there are Independents and Democrats that are just as fed up as everyone else, hence the differing views on the way things should be done.

 

[bicycleman]

The only real way to make these movements corruption proof is to make laws that (a) send politician taking a bribe (contributions count as bribes) to jail for 25 years without parole, reprieve, or pardonability; (b) put the business executives who offer said bribes in jail for 25 years under the same conditions; (c) make all campaign finances public records; (d) allow only a set amount of funding for each politician to run (grassroots); and (e) create a vote of no confidence that allows citizens to directly remove corrupt politicians from office.

If you cut out campaign contributions, you therefore destroy any chance of politicians running for anything. The only ones who could afford to run would be the filthy rich, the same people the Democratic Party seeks to destroy, unless they are the Democratic chosen elite rich, then it is alright to be rich. Contributions are a part of freedom of speech. You will destroy what little vestige of freedom that is left in this country.

 

[Chuz Life]

That's because the Tea Party movement is not only filled with conservatives, but there are Independents and Democrats that are just as fed up as everyone else, hence the differing views on the way things should be done.

That's what I said,... isn't it?

" there is some commonality between all the different factions of conservatism, libertarianism and even many dems... "

 

[NoJingoLingo]

You mean an act of rebellion against an oppressive government?

No I mean using the name of an event without knowing what it stands for. If their idea was simply a "rebellion against an oppressive government" then they shouldn't use a name specifically associated with something else.

I personally find the "tea bagger" label to be an anti-intellectual attempt to suppress the perspective of others. The sexual reference is incredibly inappropriate, and yet somehow considered acceptable amongst a bunch of Kool-Aid drinking Democrats.

The label applies because of their own anti-intellectualism. As for the sexual reference being inappropriate, well that's your problem. I can't believe you would use a kool-aid reference against people shaming the teabaggers. :doh

With that said, I can't read or hear the reference without smiling at what this country plans to do to the face of socialism.

Just sayin...

I just you're ignorant of all the socialism that's been going on in this country since... well, before it was officially started in 1788.

Just sayin.

 

[NoJingoLingo]

Our last hope as citizens will be the November 2010 elections.

I'm sure you believe in the rapture too, so your apocalyptic prophesy doesn't surprise me.

 

[NoJingoLingo]

That's because the Tea Party movement is not only filled with conservatives, but there are Independents and Democrats that are just as fed up as everyone else, hence the differing views on the way things should be done.

:bs

There are no democrats at teabagger parties.
There are no independents go to more than one teabagger party, the rest used to call themselves republicans before Bush.

 

[Vader]

If you cut out campaign contributions, you therefore destroy any chance of politicians running for anything. The only ones who could afford to run would be the filthy rich, the same people the Democratic Party seeks to destroy, unless they are the Democratic chosen elite rich, then it is alright to be rich. Contributions are a part of freedom of speech. You will destroy what little vestige of freedom that is left in this country.

WRONG.

That is republicanazi rhetoric.

Businesses and government have zero business being bed buddies.

 

[Deuce]

If we create a movement based on the real bible or justice, how do we make sure that no goofball like Palin can show up, take a center stage and be presented on the media as some sort of a leader for that movement therefor completely discrediting it? I'm sure at some point most of those movements were with good intentions, and after it reaches certain point of attention they get infiltrated and become a joke.

Are you proposing some sort of theocracy? You'll have to get rid of that pesky first amendment.

edit: And I'm convinced the Tea Party managed to make themselves a joke.