How can the right even suggest that they are Christian[W:487]

[Frank Apisa]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

Clearly.

Duh...yeah clearly. I do not know your attitude back when you qualified for food stamps. I know mine when I did. I decided I would not file for them.

If you want to tell us what your attitude was...tell us. If you want to express astonishment that I do not know what your attitude was...I am willing to laugh at you.

Do it...don't do it. It is up to you.

But whatever you say is not going to change what I perceive to be the prevailing American conservative attitude. You are only one person, after all. And it is not all about you.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

...and you claim to speak for Christianity.

Where did I ever make that claim?

Why do you make stuff up?

 

[Logicman]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

There is minimally twice the money paid for corporate welfare then there is for the needy, so what kind of hate does it take to go after the poor when the real money is with many of your fat old white men of your own party.

Why don't your 'poor people' grow a spine, develop some personal initiative, get their high school degrees, serve in the military, and then use the G.I. bill and work part-time to get a college degree, like this poor white man did? That's one of the tickets out of the 'hood'.

Then they should quit voting for Democrats, because they've been voting for Dems for 50 years, and they're STILL poor.

 

[Logicman]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

Jesus didn't...and I never said Jesus did. When are you going to finally get that?

Then why do you add the identifier "Christian" to conservative when you do your bashing, when you have no basis for it?

 

[jbander]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

Being held accountable when we all face God, that'll be our own individual problem, isn't it?
Just like me, you got your own to worry about.......no sense pointing a judgemental finger in anyone's direction.

I wouldn't if it wasn't so destructive to our countries values. The reality is the unbelievable hypocrisy of the regressives , who wrap themselves in the bible suggesting their opinions are blessed by God. I've never seen a less christian church's then the temples regressives go to. I live in a real ugly conservative district in Minnesota, our last representitive was Michelle Bachmann. We shopped for Churches in the area and was amazed at the intolerance and self righteous gibberish that came from their golden pulpits. The one I thought was so funny was their weekly attack on Gays. Like that was the whole bible.

 

[jbander]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

Why don't your 'poor people' grow a spine, develop some personal initiative, get their high school degrees, serve in the military, and then use the G.I. bill and work part-time to get a college degree, like this poor white man did? That's one of the tickets out of the 'hood'.

Then they should quit voting for Democrats, because they've been voting for Dems for 50 years, and they're STILL poor.

When I was at the age for the service the murder war of Viet Nam was going on, You know the Domino theory(that was a laugh) and I chose to dodge the draft because I simply didn't want to murder anyone. There was no stature of limitation on this until they changed it maybe 15 years after the war. It's one of the proudest things I've done in my life. Bush's liars war was again nothing but murder it was created totally with lies and for some strange reason Cheney and Bush made millions off of it through their companies that they were directly aligned to, with non bid contracts. These young people aren't dumb , they went for the reasons you suggested they go. Trouble is they get back here and ultimately find out that everything about the liars war was just that , a lie. Then their real problems start with trying to balance what they did to stay alive in the war, with the fact it was nothing but a lie.

 

[cpwill]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

Where did I ever make that claim?

[emoji38] when you affected to be able to speak authoritatively to what Christianity said about charity, and to be able to state that conservatives (whom you misrepresented) were opposed to it.

 

[Logicman]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

When I was at the age for the service the murder war of Viet Nam was going on, You know the Domino theory(that was a laugh) and I chose to dodge the draft because I simply didn't want to murder anyone. There was no stature of limitation on this until they changed it maybe 15 years after the war. It's one of the proudest things I've done in my life.

The murderers were the communist butchers who were gutting innocent South Vietnamese school teachers, mayors, and anyone else who wouldn't support their vicious Marxist / Leninist madness. We were the purveyors of justice. You bailing out on people who were trying to be free of communist tyranny is nothing to be proud of.

Bush's liars war was again nothing but murder it was created totally with lies and for some strange reason Cheney and Bush made millions off of it through their companies that they were directly aligned to, with non bid contracts. These young people aren't dumb , they went for the reasons you suggested they go. Trouble is they get back here and ultimately find out that everything about the liars war was just that , a lie. Then their real problems start with trying to balance what they did to stay alive in the war, with the fact it was nothing but a lie.

Horse manure.

Democrats & liberals who said Saddam had WMD's:

If Bush lied about WMD, Kerry and 77% of the Senate lied also

 

[RAMOSS]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

The murderers were the communist butchers who were gutting innocent South Vietnamese school teachers, mayors, and anyone else who wouldn't support their vicious Marxist / Leninist madness. We were the purveyors of justice. You bailing out on people who were trying to be free of communist tyranny is nothing to be proud of.



Horse manure.

Democrats & liberals who said Saddam had WMD's:

If Bush lied about WMD, Kerry and 77% of the Senate lied also

This is known as 'rewriting history' and 'twisting facts'. I will point out that part of the earlier response to 'Saddam Husein has weapons' was not war, but rather sanctions and inspections. That worked.. because when we went in after the war, we only found bits and pieces of chemical weapons that no longer could work.

The lie Bush gave congress was 'Iraq had an active WMD program that could launch missiles in 42 minutes.' They believed him. They were wrong.

 

[Logicman]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

Horse manure.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

Then why do you add the identifier "Christian" to conservative when you do your bashing, when you have no basis for it?

I do not know what the hell you are talking about...and I suspect you do not either.

 

[Logicman]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

I don't listen to MSNBC. But I do listen to American conservatives...and it seems to me that most of what they say blames the poor for being poor...and suggest that the best remedy is to kick them in the ass as hard as possible so that they will stop being poor.

You guys haven't done a thing for the poor except to blame them for their poverty...and to aid the 1% in getting richer while adding the people forced out of the middle class into the ranks of the poor.

Once again, conservatives give more to charities than do liberals.

And there is much to blame among the poor. Here's just ONE example: In the ghettos 72% of black children are born out of wedlock. That kind of moral ignorance condemns the kids to one-parent households.

The solution is in the ghettos, Frank. If they want to be better they can be.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

[emoji38] when you affected to be able to speak authoritatively to what Christianity said about charity, and to be able to state that conservatives (whom you misrepresented) were opposed to it.

Ahhh...that translates to "you never did, but I don't have the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge that you didn't."

Hey...I see.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

Once again, conservatives give more to charities than do liberals.

And there is much to blame among the poor. Here's just ONE example: In the ghettos 72% of black children are born out of wedlock. That kind of moral ignorance condemns the kids to one-parent households.

American conservatism is one of the most disgusting blights ever to infect any country.

In any case, anyone who identifies as a Christian and an American conservative...is a hypocrite.

 

[Logicman]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

I do not know what the hell you are talking about...and I suspect you do not either.

Well, you bash 'Christian' conservatives, as if Christianity has anything to do with your lame argument. Perhaps you should revise your rants.

 

[Thrilla]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

If you want to know exactly what the right wants for this country, it is spelled out completely in Paul Ryans Budgets signed on , I may add, by 100% of the rights congressmen in his original budget. He wants to pull 5 trillion out of the system 2/3 from the old, sick and needy for the noble sake of the deficit but then turns around and puts in massive tax cuts and handouts to big business and the wealthy, then adds massively to the military budget, gee what about the deficit Ryan. 24 states conservative Governors have excluded Syrians refuges from coming to their state . Conservitives are so far from being Christian with their emphases on attacking gays and not a word about support for the poor , in fact they want to take massively from the poor. 5-6 remarks in the bible about gays and taking care of the poor has the largest verbiage in the bible at 300 times. Conservative Christians will be standing at the gates of heaven and Lazarus will be there and he won't let them in.

so what you're basically saying is that people should push their personal religion into national political policy.

interesting.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

Well, you bash 'Christian' conservatives, as if Christianity has anything to do with your lame argument. Perhaps you should revise your rants.

My statement has been consistent. It is: Anyone who identifies as a Christian...and who also identifies as an American conservative...is a hypocrite.

You got a problem with that...tell me what it is.

 

[cpwill]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

Ahhh...that translates to "you never did, but I don't have the ethical wherewithal to acknowledge that you didn't."

No, you did - when you claimed authority to state what the Christian position was.

 

[cpwill]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

American conservatism is one of the most disgusting blights ever to infect any country.

Well, that's about the level of close-minded invective we've come to expect from you. But its fine - the person you make look small is yourself, not conservatives.

In any case, anyone who identifies as a Christian and an American conservative...is a hypocrite.

He said, ignorantly.

 

[Thrilla]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

My statement has been consistent. It is: Anyone who identifies as a Christian...and who also identifies as an American conservative...is a hypocrite.

You got a problem with that...tell me what it is.

well, the only problem I have with it is ... it's a lie.

other than that... no problem.

 

[tosca1]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

I wouldn't if it wasn't so destructive to our countries values. The reality is the unbelievable hypocrisy of the regressives , who wrap themselves in the bible suggesting their opinions are blessed by God. I've never seen a less christian church's then the temples regressives go to. I live in a real ugly conservative district in Minnesota, our last representitive was Michelle Bachmann. We shopped for Churches in the area and was amazed at the intolerance and self righteous gibberish that came from their golden pulpits. The one I thought was so funny was their weekly attack on Gays. Like that was the whole bible.

A lot of things depend on the motives, jbander. Also, they might be looking from a different angle than yours.

And no.....USA is not a socialist country, am I correct? So, no....how can that be destructive to your country's values?
Of course, I'm assuming you're an American. In fact, adapting a socialist mentality and applying socialist policies, is what is destructive to your country's values, if you're an American.

Entrepreneurship has been the backbone of America...... so many immigrants had flocked to its shores with dreams of building and having their own business. As long as you're willing to work, the sky's the limit to achieve your dream - the American dream. Capitalism comes with freedom and democracy,
whether we like it or not.




Most Conservatives think that providing tax breaks to corporations would mean more investors are going to come, and that would mean more jobs.
Job creation is one of the best answers to combat poverty. Most Conservatives believe that simply handing out money to the poor will only encourage dependency, and that attitude will get passed on to the future generation. That makes sense.

Also, it does say in the Bible that we should be willing to work.

2 Thessalonians 3:10
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat." (NIV)



As for helping.....help comes in many ways.


I don't know about attacks on gays in your church. In my church, we don't attack gays.
However, we do not approve of homosexual acts: we aren't supposed to, according to the stipulations in the Bible.
There is nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything wrong in saying that.

 

[Logicman]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

American conservatism is one of the most disgusting blights ever to infect any country.

Translation: Frank prefers running up trillions in debt on the backs of our kids and grandkids in order to "help the poor".

Frank, wise up on all this, ok?

 

[David_N]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

The real question is, how can people who want to turn away refugees call themselves Christians?

 

[RAMOSS]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

Once again, conservatives give more to charities than do liberals.

And there is much to blame among the poor. Here's just ONE example: In the ghettos 72% of black children are born out of wedlock. That kind of moral ignorance condemns the kids to one-parent households.

The solution is in the ghettos, Frank. If they want to be better they can be.

Of course, What 'Logic' man fails to recognize is that a lot of that 'charity' is tithing to the church, which gets funneled back into maintaining the church so they can go to services, to pay for the religious education for the people tithe children, and for other social functions that directly benefit the people who are 'tithing' If the 'tithing to the church' was factored out (since it is not really charity, but rather going directly to the one actually giving's benefit), then the secular giving of the liberals and conservatives are the same. While there certainly nothing wrong with giving money to the church so it can operate, it's not really 'giving to charity'.

 

[cpwill]

Re: How can the right even suggest that they are Christian

What I wrote was: I am coming a hell of a lot closer to correctly describing American conservative motivation than you, cp.

Nope . All you did was show your ignorance of the beliefs if those with whom you do not agree. Which is typical - liberals tend not to understand conservatives as well as conservatives understand liberals.

Your response began: Considering your murderous hatred of poor people...

I am not about to take lessons from you about rudeness, cp. In fact, it is laughable for you to suggest you are capable of giving that lesson.,

[emoji38] you mean someone treated you the same you treat others and you didn't like it?

An introspective and open minded person would learn from that. Let's see which you are.

But I do listen to American conservatives...

Evidently you do not, given your hyperbolic mischaracterization.

it seems to me that most of what they say blames the poor for being poor...

Like this. We point out that the main drivers of poverty are behaviorally based. Remaining in poverty is typically the result of the choices we make. Those choices, however, are effected by incentives, and the current structure of our government programs gives the poor strong incentives to make self destructive choices.

and suggest that the best remedy is to kick them in the ass as hard as possible so that they will stop being poor.

Nope . We say we should reform the safety net so as to stop incentivizing the poor to make the decisions that will help keep them poor.

You guys haven't done a thing for the poor except to blame them for their poverty...and to aid the 1% in getting richer while adding the people forced out of the middle class into the ranks of the poor.

As has already been pointed out to you, conservatives give more to the poor than liberals. And conservative ideas actually help the poor escape poverty, unlike most liberal ideas, which help trap them in it.

There are times where I am close minded. I acknowledge that

Yup. This is one of them.

But not nearly as much as you are showing here.

Nope. . I know why liberals support the programs they do, and understand the positive motivations (and the negative ones) that drive them. Unlike you, I don't claim that to disagree with me is evil.

American conservatism, in my opinion, is one of the most disgusting blights any country has ever had to endure.

Yes. That's because you are a bigot.

Why any person identifying as a Christian would want to be part of it is beyond me.

Because, unlike you, we actually understand both conservatism and Christianity.