How can one become Liberal?

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***You libs are so predictable. I knew that I would get a string of liberal responders that would resort to bashing instead of giving just one promising liberal ideal or action that would help America maintain it's strength.
I guess I could never be a liberal because I don't share that 'bleeding heart' that you're so famous for displaying. I prefer to work on keeping my heart strong.
And that tax free money comes as a result of my fighting for this country--not as some kind of indolent welfare cheat or aging gutter whino.

KidTim

I just have no respect for someone like you.

 

[MSgt]

Prove it. Prove that every single liberal program brought us down. You can start with public education for everyone, safe working environment and making child labor illegal.

Who are they to tell a child he can't work? It's bigotted. They have every right to earn a living as we do. Kids have to feed their families too. ....More of "the man" just keeping a person down.:2no4:

 

[Simon W. Moon]

In order for me to become a liberal I would have to ... leave common sense behind, leave pride and honor behind, have no recognizable agenda other than attacking Christians, our military, our foreign mission, successful Americans, corporations, our traditions, our laws, our religion, our Constitution, our flag, our integrity, and our institutions of higher learning etc.

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Ahhh, thank you, Simon.

 

[Gardener]

I don't view the world through the lens of somebody else's pre-formed ideology, myself, and so when folks indulge in politics as if it involved the application of mutually exclusive dichotomies, I usually find myself objecting to the characterizations any "side" applies to the other. It may be comforting to view the world with rigid demarkations, but I think the world is more complex than that.

I see distinctions between liberals and authoriratian leftists, myself, just as I see distinctions between conservatives and rigid fundamentalists. IMO, one should form a view of the world from the bottom up rather than the top down by forming one's values first and then developing an ideology from the values rather than adopting the ideology and then twisting the values to conform witht he idology.

In terms of why one would be a liberal, though, I think it may help to discuss what liberality *is* rather than specific attitudes or policies to which somebody has applied the term "liberal" . In my own way of looking at it, one basic distinction between conservatism and liberality lies in the way one views social institutions, social order and traditions, conservatives placing a higher value on the preservation of institutions and order (the "conserve" in conservative having to do with conserving institutions) and liberals a higher value on social justice and an increased willingness to change these institutions. Women would not be voting were it not for liberal ideology.

There are certainly extremes involved no matter what the ideology, and imo, most of the extremes derive from people who do not understand the underlying values and who either simply conform to the label or react againstt he opposing label. Conservatism taken to its extreme can result in societies in stasis as institutionalized oppression (political Islamism being a prime example) whereas liberality taken to its extreme can end up with an approach that throws outt he baby with the bath water, failing to preserve that which *should* be preserved.

In any case, I would say that the best approach to politics is to base ones attitudes on real values rather than deciding one is going to be a "conservative", a "liberal", a "libertarian" or anything else.

 

[vergiss]

Well...he did almost have to consider what it would be like to be in a situation that might have forced him to think about killing someone. That can be pretty traumatic.....hell....I have no problem paying into his twinkie fund. If only because It also supports people like Navy Pride if he ever needs it.

:lol: Aww, poor diddums!

 

[Engimo]

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Thanks, Simon. Now I can call ptsdkid a ****ing moron without reproach.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Engimo:
Thanks, Simon. Now I can call ptsdkid a ****ing moron without reproach.

Let the carnege begin.

 

[Kelzie]

Who are they to tell a child he can't work? It's bigotted. They have every right to earn a living as we do. Kids have to feed their families too. ....More of "the man" just keeping a person down.:2no4:

gunny you always throw me off when you're funny. :lol:

 

[ptsdkid]

Let the carnege begin.

****Ah, finally found out where all my hard hitting posts ended up. I'm not surprised that you liberals can't handle the truth, but I'm a bit surprised that the obvious liberal staff at debate politics decided to move the truth to fit their agenda. What a bunch of ******s!..HaHaHa!

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ptsdkid:
****Ah, finally found out where all my hard hitting posts ended up. I'm not surprised that you liberals can't handle the truth, but I'm a bit surprised that the obvious liberal staff at debate politics decided to move the truth to fit their agenda. What a bunch of ******s!..HaHaHa!

I f_cked your mother in the ass then she took a sh!t so big we had to name it ptsdkid! That's how you rolled off the assembly line c.u.n.t. boy.

 

[Kelzie]

****Ah, finally found out where all my hard hitting posts ended up. I'm not surprised that you liberals can't handle the truth, but I'm a bit surprised that the obvious liberal staff at debate politics decided to move the truth to fit their agenda. What a bunch of ******s!..HaHaHa!

Actually, your **** ends up down here cause you're a moronic **** and we don't want you up in public where anyone can see you. It's kind of embarassing.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Kelzie:
Actually, your **** ends up down here cause you're a moronic **** and we don't want you up in public where anyone can see you. It's kind of embarassing.

Yeah, he's worse than me, I think.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

****Ah, finally found out where all my hard hitting posts ended up. I'm not surprised that you liberals can't handle the truth, but I'm a bit surprised that the obvious liberal staff at debate politics decided to move the truth to fit their agenda. What a bunch of ******s!..HaHaHa!

Well, so long as you don't have to accept any personal responsibility for the contente tone and tenor of your posts ...

 

[Saboteur]

What sparked my interest in this liberal ideology is in noticing that many liberals on these political forums actually belong to or want to start an organization called the ‘LIBERAL ADMIRATION SOCIETY’. Even die-hard liberals got to be getting a chuckle over that title.
The obvious question is, What is there to admire about a liberal? In order for me to become a liberal I would have to think and act like one, leave common sense behind, leave pride and honor behind, have no recognizable agenda other than attacking Christians, our military, our foreign mission, successful Americans, corporations, our traditions, our laws, our religion, our Constitution, our flag, our integrity, and our institutions of higher learning etc.
So the overriding question here would be what attractive allure would there be for say a moderate, or an independent, or a confused conservative to want to join ranks as a 21st century liberal?
Could someone please give me a solid liberal belief system, or any solid liberal actions that actually made America stronger both economically and militarily? Give me/us the liberal ideology or plan that would keep America safer than it already is under conservative leadership from terrorism. Give me/us the liberal plan that would unite and bind the family unit together for a long time. Sorry, abortion tends to divide families, try something else. Give me the liberal religious network (even if it’s atheism) that would have a more people binding accomplishment than say Christianity would.
Tell me/us what the liberal substitute for competition would be in our free market system. Would the quota and affirmative Action plans come into play as a substitute for competition? Tell me/us how the voucher system would be bad as competition to our failing public school systems.
Is it the liberal agenda to do away with competition, create then harness class warfare, tax the rich/successful/achievers in our society, shackle and condemn corporations for giving the masses a job and healthy benefits, and to make it easier for society’s drop-outs and losers by enrolling them into every benefit we can squeeze out of an overly generous Uncle Sam?
I would appreciate some constructive liberal response here as I am literally sitting on the fence. I’m not totally happy, nor am I as rich as I would like to be as a Conservative.
If you think liberalism offers a better/easier and more fruitful lifestyle for me and my ever dependent family--then I sure would be grateful to those that can show me the light. I always had lived by Ronald Reagan’s motto of “pulling oneself up by their bootstraps”. I’m not too proud that I couldn’t change my ways where I might suckle the big government t*t for a while, but I would still need encouragement from a more informed liberal contingent first before taking the plunge. Thanks.

KidTim

This is exactly the kind of Bullsh!t that inspired me to write the 'Leaving A Trail Of Slime Wherever They Go' thread.

I think we should change the name of this forum to Whining Conservative Taliban Fu<ker Fest Chat Room.

 

[MSgt]

This is exactly the kind of Bullsh!t that inspired me to write the 'Leaving A Trail Of Slime Wherever They Go' thread.

I think we should change the name of this forum to Whining Conservative Taliban Fu<ker Fest Chat Room.

Somebody's handing out Talibans?

 

[Saboteur]

You guys always go back to things like child labor and minimum wage laws, which I support. I am only talking about the conspiracy to impose communism on America.

Yep you are the only one.:lamo

 

[Saboteur]

Somebody's handing out Talibans?

Yep the Religious Neo-Con agenda wants to control this country in a Theocratic Dictatorship.

 

[MSgt]

Yep the Religious Neo-Con agenda wants to control this country in a Theocratic Dictatorship.

What's new? You act like this is some grand movement of militants on the march against your "civil liberties." Drama.

 

[Saboteur]

What's new? You act like this is some grand movement of militants on the march against your "civil liberties." Drama.

They don't need a militia. They have idiot voters who cowtow to tough language and hate.

 

[MSgt]

They don't need a militia. They have idiot voters who cowtow to tough language and hate.

Oh. So the partisan tactic is to claim that "neo-cons" are out to control every aspect of your life through religion....and "Liberal-wingnuts" are determined to place America on a path towards anarchy.

Sounds like political paranoia to me. Funny thing is that "idiot voters" vote for people who merely want to be in office....nothing more.

 

[SixStringHero]

I said something to this effect in another thread that was the antithesis of your's.....

I'm sure glad I didn't join your party.

Conservatives....Bleh!

Same goes for liberals.

 

[Kelzie]

I said something to this effect in another thread that was the antithesis of your's.....

I'm sure glad I didn't join your party.

Conservatives....Bleh!

Same goes for liberals.

Same goes for you!

 

[SixStringHero]

Us middle roaders are always being ostracized.

 

[FinnMacCool]

"Sometimes the things that are hardest for you to see are right in front of your nose."

OMG OMG OMG. ORWELL WAS ONE OF THOSE LEFT WING SOCIALISTS YOU SILLY SILLY SILLY MAN!!!!!!!! SHAME ON YOU!