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How can mere [I]talk [/I]collapse America?

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America is only as good as the integrity of the people who make it up. No foreign enemy can damage America as badly as we can when we abandon our principles and elect and support leaders who serve their own corrupt interests over the welfare and security of our nation. Ignoring that isn't patriotism, it is idiocy.
The problem with your argument is that you dont know where the line is drawn, so not only do you tacitly support crossing the line, but you provide concealment for the enemies of America who encourage you to take a bold stance in favor of a blurred line so they can hide behind you and remain concealed from scrutiny and continue intentionally and knowingly crossing where you might have drawn the line so they can BASH the hell out of America so it will be weakened and eventually collapse.

How can talk collapse America?

Contagion.

Leaders set the tone and followers follow their lead.

Most millennials look around constantly to get a gauge of where they stand in relation to their herd.

When they see others bashing America and the POTUS, they feel safe and justified in doing the same.

It makes them feel part of something larger and cooler than themselves.

But how does that adversely affect Trump or America?

Because leaders always and only lead with the consent of the governed.

If and when the leader loses enough support of the people, he can no longer lead them.


Every sledge hammer blow removes a little bit of support and then the tractor finishes the job.

Silo felled with sledge hammer

 

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America is only as good as the integrity of the people who make it up. No foreign enemy can damage America as badly as we can when we abandon our principles and elect and support leaders who serve their own corrupt interests over the welfare and security of our nation. Ignoring that isn't patriotism, it is idiocy.
Please show us who said that with supporting documentation.
 

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The collapse of America is being brought on by a secretive cabal of religious, christian nationalist theocrats and monarchists, who have taken advantage of the collapse of the media in the center of the country, installed mass radio and publishing outlets pushing authoritarian christian revanchist ideas to a massive audience in the midwest and south.

Enabled by the money of corporatist oligarchs, of course, using the latest technology to review and mark voters for specific criteria, using ballot measures to activate them based on very narrow ideas, and abusing this constituency to continuously elect republicans on narrow and minute social issues.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Trump made the devil's deal. He may have been a solid, good president, had he NOT engaged the Center for National Policy, discarded Chris Christie for the backing of the evangelicals, predicated on selecting Pence and taking the explicit nominees from this center for all justices he would appoint.

Trump is a tool for theocrats who want to reimagine this country as a "christian" nation based on "christian" values and "christian" law. As an atheist buddhist, this is terrifying.

Under their law, I could be executed as a non-believer.

And yes, I am dead serious about the above.
 

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Please show us who said that with supporting documentation.
It looks like a quote grabbed from another thread.

The OP probably belongs as a response in that thread.

I dont want to disclose that person's identity because it is post from another poster, as you said, less right.


So, why not just assume for the sake of argument, that it was posed by me as a Devil's Advocate argument or comment.
 

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The collapse of America is being brought on by a secretive cabal of religious, christian nationalist theocrats and monarchists, who have taken advantage of the collapse of the media in the center of the country, installed mass radio and publishing outlets pushing authoritarian christian revanchist ideas to a massive audience in the midwest and south.

Enabled by the money of corporatist oligarchs, of course, using the latest technology to review and mark voters for specific criteria, using ballot measures to activate them based on very narrow ideas, and abusing this constituency to continuously elect republicans on narrow and minute social issues.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Trump made the devil's deal. He may have been a solid, good president, had he NOT engaged the Center for National Policy, discarded Chris Christie for the backing of the evangelicals, predicated on selecting Pence and taking the explicit nominees from this center for all justices he would appoint.

Trump is a tool for theocrats who want to reimagine this country as a "christian" nation based on "christian" values and "christian" law. As an atheist buddhist, this is terrifying.

Under their law, I could be executed as a non-believer.

And yes, I am dead serious about the above.
You are assuming that Communism or Socialism or Islam or Atheism and/or Anarchy are America's default state.

Those ideologies have never been our secret of becoming a success but we are in danger of those supporters stealing our country unless we can prevail over them.
 

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The problem with your argument is that you dont know where the line is drawn, so not only do you tacitly support crossing the line, but you provide concealment for the enemies of America who encourage you to take a bold stance in favor of a blurred line so they can hide behind you and remain concealed from scrutiny and continue intentionally and knowingly crossing where you might have drawn the line so they can BASH the hell out of America so it will be weakened and eventually collapse.

How can talk collapse America?

Contagion.

Leaders set the tone and followers follow their lead.

Most millennials look around constantly to get a gauge of where they stand in relation to their herd.

When they see others bashing America and the POTUS, they feel safe and justified in doing the same.

It makes them feel part of something larger and cooler than themselves.

But how does that adversely affect Trump or America?

Because leaders always and only lead with the consent of the governed.

If and when the leader loses enough support of the people, he can no longer lead them.


Every sledge hammer blow removes a little bit of support and then the tractor finishes the job.

Silo felled with sledge hammer
Who are “the enemies of America” you refer to?

How do you know what “most millennials” think, or what motivates them to “bash America and the POTUS”?

Trump doesn’t lead Americans. The majority of us don’t agree with virtually anything he says and does, and do not take any cues from him on how to live our lives or think as Americans.
 

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Assume that I am speaking to my alter ego, the Devil's Advocate.
In that case, your alter ego won that argument. His answer was concise and complete.

I'm not sure if you're concerned about lines, millennials, sledgehammers, or silos.
 

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Uh, one economic downturn after decades of hate preaching can definitely kill a society. It's happened over and over throughout history.

Heck, we're mainly the exception to the rule.
 

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America is not the Silo. I hope Trump is. He can collapse and the nation will do just fine. All this business about undermining POTUS wasn't a problem when it was Obama, now suddenly it will destroy the Republic? Nope, he's just one man and can be taken down. This one deserves it more than most.
 

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