FinnMacCool
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FinnMacCool said:I don't get this at all. why do liberterians side with conservatives on so many issues and seem to have a dislike liberals? If the basic idea of liberterianism is that anything that doesn't hurt you should be legal, don't they kinda have to support liberals? How else would they make any changes? Perhaps I just do not understand libertarians. I mean its true on economic policys they are right wing but they are also very liberal social issues so i just don't get it. Anyone mind explaining?
FinnMacCool said:er...yeah whatever dude.
liberal is a misunderstood term today. american liberals tend to be statist reactionary parasites
2) "liberals" believe that the state is more important than the individual. that the village is the basic unit not the individual, not the family
3) every major gun ban in US history has been pushed or passed by "liberals"
4) the liberals defend the death confiscation tax which counters libertarian ideals two ways-a)social engineering and b) taxking wealth for no other reason than its wealth
5) liberals push for control of private property
6) liberals are as bad as the conservatives on the war on drugs
=7) liberals are the only people pushing for a draft now
8) liberals push for group rights such as affirmative action. group rights are anathema to libertarians
Lucidthots said:All this talk of "Liberalism" from guy who has Rockefeller's UNITED NATIONS as his personal symbol.
The UN is an organization "supposedly" created by "Liberals."
That is, if you consider Capital/Communists and War profiteering "liberal."
Technocratic_Utilitarian said:Completely false. I have already falsified this inane belief over 3 times on this forum alone. To a search to get schooled. For them to be parasites, they would have to be living off of your money, when, in fact, statistics show they are far, far wealthier, on average, than are you.
False. Liberals do not believe the state is more important than the individual. That's Fascism and Communism, of which Liberalism is neither. You're so full of ****, it's a wonder the pressure buildup doesn't blow the top of your infantile head off.
In fact, Liberals are slightly socialistic on economics (OH NO! wank wank wank) but the second most 'liberal' on social issues. According to Pew Research, they are second only to Libertardians, who are anarchist-wannabees.
And not every Liberal is against gun usage or ownership. How would you like your hasty-generalization fallacy served? Stupid? Or Imbecilic?
Ahhh. This is a very nice distortion of reality by using emotional buzzlanguage in order to poison the well without having to make any real point. "death tax" is a neocon word used as a rhetorical ploy. Nice try puddin' pie. Now use some logic with that tasty treat.
When you are dead, you:
A. Don't need your money anyway, and it ought to go to better use
B. Your "parasite" benefit recepitents...aka "children" didn't earn it (libertardians love to claim that whoever doesn't earn something, shouldn't get it).
C. don't get all of your estate taken, and the proper term is not death-tax, but estate tax. Shave away the emotional rhetoric and the bullshit disappears.
So what? Also provide case study. Private property isn't absolute. No right is. If you are going to refer to the Court case that expanded Eminant Domain...you woudl be well-advised to know many liberals are greatly opposed to it, as you can see if you visit: Liberalforum.org
False. The standard liberal position is that drugs should be legalized. The State has no business telling you what you can do with your body, given that you are not going to become a danger to others around you. Liberals are generally pro-drug use for people.
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Prove it. Also, don't be general. There are millions of Liberals who aren't. Don't confuse democrat with liberal either, since most liberals actually consider themselves Independents, unhappy with the democratic party.
Actually, many liberals are also opposed to AA, including myself. Liberals are also very pro individual rights as well as limited government control over morality, social issues. The ONLY places you are generally correct are economics and gun control, but even the latter isn't unified.
To really answer the question: Not all Libertarians do hate liberals. They simply disagree with them on economic issues, but everyone cannot always agree on everything. Libertarians tend to strongly gravitate toward the Liberal social agenda, but not the economic one. Libertarians live in a a "classical" world in which the best ecomomic system is one that relies on pure charity...which is fantasy.
Many don't really care who suffers, as long as they make a profit out of it. They are their highest goal, and ethics be damned. Consequences for others don't matter.
the sort of response I expected from a teenager who started a stupid thread
I guess you were expecting me to agree with the mistaken point you made?
Well, you have to keep in mind what a liberal and a conservative are supposed to be, and supposed to stand for.FinnMacCool said:I don't get this at all. why do liberterians side with conservatives on so many issues and seem to have a dislike liberals? If the basic idea of liberterianism is that anything that doesn't hurt you should be legal, don't they kinda have to support liberals? How else would they make any changes? Perhaps I just do not understand libertarians. I mean its true on economic policys they are right wing but they are also very liberal social issues so i just don't get it. Anyone mind explaining?
FinnMacCool said:No but I've come to expect that instead of you coming on here to flame, you would have given be an actual answer but I guess thats too hard for you.
To which the reply from someone whose profile includes 'loves to debate' was:TurtleDude said:I did kid-you asked me why they hate liberals. Having been a committee chairman for the libertarian party before you were born I am well versed at the reasons given for libertarians despising liberals. THE ISSUE IS NOT whether liberals really are as I said but how they ARE PERCEIVED and this was an accurate description of the perception. ITS like asking the moon bats why they hate Bush. Many will claim its because he stole the election or that he is stupid. While both of these claims are false and not supported by fact- it is not a lie to note that those two reasons motivate much of the BUsh hatred
Excuse me but liberatarians are not anarchists wannabes. Anarchists believe in no government!p
what a rude little flamer we have here-you prove everything I said was true.
Giving my money to whom I want hardly makes them parasites. what is the richest group that consistently supports the left in the USA?
TRIAL LAWYERS-parasites in the traditional definition.
As to the gun issues-true some liberals aren't anti gun and some conservatives hate guns but the question was why libertarians hate liberals and since liberals staff, fund and are members of the main gun banning organizations my answer was valid
its amazing how the most insulting posters tend to be the kids who really have no clue what they speak of.
Your claim about the drug laws is again a lie-the democratic party-the main roosting grounds for "liberals" in the USA-has never tried to overturn the idiotic war on drugs which got a major start in the FDR era and was increased under Nixon-BY A DEMOCRATIC controlled congress
Sorry, nothing more to add, you explained it quite well, I just found that amazingly funny!
Technocratic_Utilitarian said:Further, Capital/communists makes no sense. Do you have a point?
Hoot said:I think Libertarians are a non-party. In all seriousness....have they ever had an original idea?
If Libertarians manage to get 2% of the vote, they seem to have a collective orgasm.
Ok....I'm slipping into my flame-retardent clothing now. LOL
To which the reply from someone whose profile includes 'loves to debate' was:
er...yeah whatever dude.
Sorry, nothing more to add, you explained it quite well, I just found that amazingly funny!
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