How can Hillary Clinton win with no real male vote demographic?

[Fearandloathing]

To be fair, on the healthcare debate, the republicans were quite willing to negotiate and compromise. The problem was the democrat party approach was: "We control the white house and congress...it's our way or the highway." Their idea of bipartisanship was: "The republicans must come around to our way of thinking and we do not give an inch.". That's why the democrats own obamacare. They garnered no republican votes. I agree with you that compromise should be a part of politics, however to work, it has to go both ways. The republicans have pretty much folded on everything but obamacare. My favorite president Ronald Reagan managed to compromise with the likes of Tip O'neill and still pass conservative bills. He did not give away the house.

One, I said FAR RIGHT. Two I have been consistent in saying the the Obama side of the house is 90% responsible for the atmosphere of hate.

Two, I have repeatedly posted the fact the intransigence in congress is 90% on the Obama side. What I am referencing is how the party consistently circles the wagons and shoots inward. The Tea Party ranks too often reject compromise as some kind of slippery slope that will destroy the nation. Sometimes I read a horribly condescending piece on a Republican leader, complete with all the White House memes, only to discover the writer is a died in the wool conservative. It's stupid politics as compromise is the foundation of democracy.

 

[MAGAnificent]

One way she can win is if Jeb Bush is the Republican nominee.

The wench Hillary stands a chance if any republican RINO is nominated, however chances are, Jeb would carry Florida. That would make things difficult for the wench.

 

[MAGAnificent]

One, I said FAR RIGHT. Two I have been consistent in saying the the Obama side of the house is 90% responsible for the atmosphere of hate.

Two, I have repeatedly posted the fact the intransigence in congress is 90% on the Obama side. What I am referencing is how the party consistently circles the wagons and shoots inward. The Tea Party ranks too often reject compromise as some kind of slippery slope that will destroy the nation. Sometimes I read a horribly condescending piece on a Republican leader, complete with all the White House memes, only to discover the writer is a died in the wool conservative. It's stupid politics as compromise is the foundation of democracy.

I completely understand the point you are trying to make, however it is more a case of the establishment republicans attempting to throw tea party members under a bus then the tea party members refusing to accept compromise. Compromise is supposed to be a two way street. It is supposed to mean "give and take". What is Boehner and gang offering the Tea Party members? Unlike the establishment republicans, the Tea Party supported members are simply voting the will of their constituents. They are not sent to Washington DC to take orders from Boehner or McConnell. The republican party votes in a actual conservative platform every four years at convention time. They also send out donation mailers spouting that conservative platform. However when it comes do governing, they merely give that platform lip service. Without the tea party movement, the republicans would not have taken control of the House of Reps in 2010, and would not have been in a position to take the Senate in 2014. However this is not just about the Tea Party. The establishment republicans are basically telling the conservative base to take a hike.

 

[Captain America]

The wench Hillary stands a chance if any republican RINO is nominated, however chances are, Jeb would carry Florida. That would make things difficult for the wench.

There I disagree.

First, let me say, I'm not sure Hillary needs to depend on any male demographic because I think she probably has a **** bigger than John Wayne's.

But to your point, I disagree. I know, I know, I have heard countless hard righty's say the GOP candidate needs to be more extreme right to win. That "RINO's" won't get the win.

But I say, just from observation and thought based in logic and reason, that the hard right is the stone in the GOP shoe. Mainstream, middle of the road, voters determine who gets elected to the whitehouse. And mainstream, middle of the road people, such as my self and countless others, absolutely detest TP wingnuts. They get thrown in the reject bin right beside the leftwingnuts like Sharpton, et al. I don't know why they try to convince themselves otherwise. MORE whacko? That ain't gonna get anybody elected except in some gulch or holler where the women dip snuff, IMO.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I completely understand the point you are trying to make, however it is more a case of the establishment republicans attempting to throw tea party members under a bus then the tea party members refusing to accept compromise. Compromise is supposed to be a two way street. It is supposed to mean "give and take". What is Boehner and gang offering the Tea Party members? Unlike the establishment republicans, the Tea Party supported members are simply voting the will of their constituents. They are not sent to Washington DC to take orders from Boehner or McConnell. The republican party votes in a actual conservative platform every four years at convention time. They also send out donation mailers spouting that conservative platform. However when it comes do governing, they merely give that platform lip service. Without the tea party movement, the republicans would not have taken control of the House of Reps in 2010, and would not have been in a position to take the Senate in 2014. However this is not just about the Tea Party. The establishment republicans are basically telling the conservative base to take a hike.

So in the end we are talking about two different things.

How often does that happen at DP?

This confuses me, and seems to be an extension of shooing inward, but far more deadly.

There was this bearded cabinet maker cum preacher who once said "I house divided cannot stand". I know many Republicans to be of a faith that should understand that.

This tells me there are a lot of cowards on that side of the floor, terrified that a tea party compromise might cost them their job..in which case they are in the wrong business.

I have been aware the Tea Party votes along its constituency base. And while I reject much of they stand for, hold the likes of Ted Cruz for that and the fact he rises above the name calling and petty crap, lets the racist **** thrown at him roll of his back.

 

[Captain America]

Does Ted Cruz use mascara?

 

[MAGAnificent]

There I disagree.

First, let me say, I'm not sure Hillary needs to depend on any male demographic because I think she probably has a **** bigger than John Wayne's.

But to your point, I disagree. I know, I know, I have heard countless hard righty's say the GOP candidate needs to be more extreme right to win. That "RINO's" won't get the win.

But I say, just from observation and thought based in logic and reason, that the hard right is the stone in the GOP shoe. Mainstream, middle of the road, voters determine who gets elected to the whitehouse. And mainstream, middle of the road people, such as my self and countless others, absolutely detest TP wingnuts. They get thrown in the reject bin right beside the leftwingnuts like Sharpton, et al. I don't know why they try to convince themselves otherwise. MORE whacko? That ain't gonna get anybody elected except in some gulch or holler where the women dip snuff, IMO.

First, and I say this with no offense intended, your map is way off in regards to who on the right is hard right, mainstream right or moderate. Since the Smoot Hawley era, hard right conservatives in politics are extremely rare. I can only think of two that are still alive. One is that drooling nut job Ron Paul and the other is Patrick Buchanan. Neither of them have any real influence on the conservative base. Second, referring to tea partiers as wingnuts does not add anything intelligent to the discussion. If former president John F. Kennedy, an icon of the democrat party were around today, you on the left would be referring to him as a tea partier. The tea party ideology was pretty much in line with what JFK believed in....cutting taxes, strong on defense, and cutting down the size of government. Get back to me when you have a better guage on right versus hard right, etc. All the tea party is asking for is to bring this nation back from the financial brink before it goes off the cliff.

 

[MAGAnificent]

So in the end we are talking about two different things.

How often does that happen at DP?

This confuses me, and seems to be an extension of shooing inward, but far more deadly.

There was this bearded cabinet maker cum preacher who once said "I house divided cannot stand". I know many Republicans to be of a faith that should understand that.

This tells me there are a lot of cowards on that side of the floor, terrified that a tea party compromise might cost them their job..in which case they are in the wrong business.

I have been aware the Tea Party votes along its constituency base. And while I reject much of they stand for, hold the likes of Ted Cruz for that and the fact he rises above the name calling and petty crap, lets the racist **** thrown at him roll of his back.

I agree that there are a lot of cowards on that side of the floor. The establishment republicans are afraid of their own shadow, much less the tea party. They fear the news media and their big donors more then they fear their own constituency. The tea party is listening to the conservative base and speaking out....and that scares the hell out of establishment republicans.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I agree that there are a lot of cowards on that side of the floor. The establishment republicans are afraid of their own shadow, much less the tea party. They fear the news media and their big donors more then they fear their own constituency. The tea party is listening to the conservative base and speaking out....and that scares the hell out of establishment republicans.

That sort of proves that money dictates elections and not performance in both parties.

They will all do that if you never hold them accountable.

 

[MAGAnificent]

That sort of proves that money dictates elections and not performance in both parties.

They will all do that if you never hold them accountable.

That is unfortunately true. However as you are agreeing to, money dictates elections and performance in both parties. That makes is difficult for the voters to hold them accountable. While we can vote many out as just occurred in the 2014 congressional midterms, most of the usual suspects remain. The only long term solution is term limits in congress just as we have in the white house.

 

[Puigb]

Blacks may still turn out at the polls in higher than normal numbers, because a third straight term of a Dem POTUS would tend to vindicate Obama, and they know this, or at least the democratic party knows this.

I think conservatives making hilarious predictions about blacks staying home, and hispanics males not supporting Hilary may be in for a rude awakening.

In the case of blacks, they've witnessed right wingers become massively obsessed with black on white crime (or any type of "black crime") all "coincidentally" since Obama has been elected. Hell, a significant portion of the right thinks blacks have been "emboldened" by Obama. Plus, there's also the birthers. Right wingers think blacks haven't taken notice of all of this, but I suspect all of what I said may drive more blacks to the polls to vote against any Republican candidate, but then again, I could be wrong.

As for hispanics, I live in Florida in a neighborhood that's mostly hispanic, and I don't know any of them who like Bush, and those who were around when he was governor thought he sucked (though the ones I've talked to hate Scott more). So the notion that hispanics will support Jeb in large numbers because of his wife, or because they "want to be white" as some poster laughably asserted, is down right hilarious, and in fact is not backed up by the facts at all.