How can anyone support facism?

[Ivan The Terrible]

Sorry I don't have much time to post.

Che, you have given me something to think about. I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Sorry I don't have much time to post.

Che, you have given me something to think about. I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

no problem

nice to see someone thinking before they post lol

 

[Loxd4]

no problem

nice to see someone thinking before they post lol

Lol, i wonder if its going to be pro or anti socialism?

 

[LeftyHenry]

Lol, i wonder if its going to be pro or anti socialism?

Anti. He'll come back with a nice long anti post which I'll have to spend a good 20-30 minutes at least on lol.

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

Che,

Anti. He'll come back with a nice long anti post which I'll have to spend a good 20-30 minutes at least on lol.

Don't be so sure. I already said your idea could work. To tell you the truth I'm interested in finding ways that it could rather than proving it can't. There are just some laws of economics that can't be bypassed... But maybe we can think of something...

that just proves my point. It does work. However, let's think why it works. It works because they all believe in what they're doing tremendously. They all do it because they feel it's the only way to live. This would be true in a post-revolutionary society because everyone has fought for something they believe in.

Also I've seen it happen in another place. A family. Now scale up a family to a neighborhood size and you have the type of society I'm thinking of.

Have you ever taken a look at the societies that it works? I just want to see what you know about them before we move on.

Well I'm no expert on this but I guess based on space and how many people live in the space.

I'm no expert ether so I can't deal with this topic effectively. We just move on for now.

Well I awnsered you in my last post, the freemarket doesn't look kindly on it because big oil has such a big lobby in Washington. They also have so many jobs tied into the industry and they are a very, very profitable industry which is part of the back bone of our capitalistic economy. Now I'm not saying that we stop using oil all together, but I am saying that we start looking for other methods, because sooner or later we'll run out.

That's what I wanted to hear. In order to for other sources of energy to be used they need to be profitable! Bold added by Your Master.

eh??? So what your saying is that we'll use all the stuff we make? that makes no sense. We'll obviously plan ahead and create more than we'll use in a day.

Well of course you'll plan ahead. But how long do you think you'll have to work to keep ahead of the curve?

No because we'd plant more crop in anticipation and manufacture more goods. I'm not saying it'd be easy. We'd still work hard, but poverty would be crushed!

Yes/No... On one hand no one will have need. On the other no one will have true freedom. Also in effect you would create a static society. New tech will go at a snails pace compared to now.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Che,



Don't be so sure. I already said your idea could work. To tell you the truth I'm interested in finding ways that it could rather than proving it can't. There are just some laws of economics that can't be bypassed... But maybe we can think of something...

That's good. Much better way of thinking then some other people who I've debated with.

Have you ever taken a look at the societies that it works? I just want to see what you know about them before we move on.

Well the only real thing I know about these societies are that they are devout chritian monks who are doing what they do because they strongly beleive in it. that's the idea behind my communist society. It'd come to power by the actions of the mass majority. This would ensure that people believe in what they're doing.

That's what I wanted to hear. In order to for other sources of energy to be used they need to be profitable! Bold added by Your Master.

right but Alt. Energys aren't able to become profitable as oil has their hands around the throat of any competition in the energy industry. Anyhow profits in this society would be non exsistant because commodities would be non existant. Things would be used based on availability and efficiency.

Well of course you'll plan ahead. But how long do you think you'll have to work to keep ahead of the curve?

Who knows? Probably the same amount of work you do know but less if you're more efficient. The harder you work the less time you'll have to spend.

Yes/No... On one hand no one will have need. On the other no one will have true freedom. Also in effect you would create a static society. New tech will go at a snails pace compared to now.

Well I wouldn't be to sure about that. People would create tachnology because they have a passion for it, and because they want to get the job done easier and have more time to enjoy themselves. New research would be strongly encouraged, as all equipment would be provided for whoever wishes to experiment.

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

Che,

That's good. Much better way of thinking then some other people who I've debated with.

:rofl I've seen some of your other debates. Maybe you should try to follow this line of resoning as well. As you well know we get more done togehter than seprate.

Well the only real thing I know about these societies are that they are devout chritian monks who are doing what they do because they strongly beleive in it. that's the idea behind my communist society. It'd come to power by the actions of the mass majority. This would ensure that people believe in what they're doing.

You're right on the money. However, I suggest you learn more about there way of life. Do you know of any or do you need a link?

right but Alt. Energys aren't able to become profitable as oil has their hands around the throat of any competition in the energy industry. Anyhow profits in this society would be non exsistant because commodities would be non existant. Things would be used based on availability and efficiency.

I see what you mean... But think about this... what makes an industry profitable?

Who knows? Probably the same amount of work you do know but less if you're more efficient. The harder you work the less time you'll have to spend.

I guess I don't so we will have to drop the work effcienty argument for now.

Well I wouldn't be to sure about that. People would create tachnology because they have a passion for it, and because they want to get the job done easier and have more time to enjoy themselves. New research would be strongly encouraged, as all equipment would be provided for whoever wishes to experiment.

People already do this. Are you suggesting that we simply give equipment to anyone that wants to invent? Think about the implications of this plan.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Che,



:rofl I've seen some of your other debates. Maybe you should try to follow this line of resoning as well. As you well know we get more done togehter than seprate.

Yeah well the vast majority think USSR when they here socialism which I can understand but ticks me off since I'm yelling "I hate the USSR".

You're right on the money. However, I suggest you learn more about there way of life. Do you know of any or do you need a link?

There was one near where my grandfather lived and as a kid I'd go there for mass because they had a chapel for the public.

Something interesting which is sort of irrelevent is that Castro was brought up by Jesuit monks who lived that sort of lifestyle. This influenced some of his thinking during the revolution and before the revolution.

I see what you mean... But think about this... what makes an industry profitable?

Well in this case, I'd say supply and demand. Big oil has been getting government subsidies and demand of oil in China has increased combined with oil rig damage in the gulf coast and our own waste of oil. This has shot profits up and basically big oil is now able to do whatever they feel.

I heard something a while ago. There was a parade in Canada and a Ethanol mascot was going to march in the parade and spread ethanol awareness. Than Shell decided to sponsor the parade and kicked the mascot out. It's things like this scaled up in the corporate world which give big oil it's power.

People already do this. Are you suggesting that we simply give equipment to anyone that wants to invent? Think about the implications of this plan.

Yes I know I can see a little kid mixing chemicals in the community lab lol. To tell you the truth I started wondering about sceince and technology in communism would work so I started a thread about it over in a communist thread I occasionally post on. I got some lame *** responses so my question was never awnsered and so I maintain this as the biggest flaw in socialism that I've stumbled on so far.

I think that it wouldn't be open to the public, but rather people who have studied science and that would be there job. I'm gonna get a second opinion on the thread I said I posted by posting it on another forum. I'll than post the link when I get some response later.