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How America Lost Its Way

Can we say "buried in bureaucracy"? I can't imagine how many outrageous expenditures and overreaches are hidden in that unreadable pile?

I just did a thesis paper on compliance cost and the pollution haven hypothesis, in my research I found that in 2011 we spent the same as the GDP of Denmark on compliance. Ps on my phone I will review the paper for the source if y'all want to see.
 
I just did a thesis paper on compliance cost and the pollution haven hypothesis, in my research I found that in 2011 we spent the same as the GDP of Denmark on compliance. Ps on my phone I will review the paper for the source if y'all want to see.

Years ago I heard a department head encouraging spending before the calendar year was over because if they have any money left in their budget Congress might cut them next year. That kind of attitude is prevalent within our gov and one of the biggest reasons it's out of control.
 
States compete with each other to bring in new business or to entice businesses from other states to move to theirs with incentives such as low to zero taxes, modern infrastructure and public access, low crime rates, educated and/or low salaried workforce, etc. So the notion that the US isn't business friendly is absolute nonsense. In fact the US is so business friendly that it's become anti-labor and anti-middle class.

If anyone is hurting small businesses....it's congress


U.S. Senate Rejects Competing Small Business Tax Plans - Bloomberg
 
How America Lost Its Way






It's a rather lengthy article, but that's the gist of the main point: The US has so much red tape that it as become unfriendly to business.
Wait isnt the right wing talking point that Europe is "socialist"? Therefor somehow making it "business unfriendly"? Im confused....


Thanks to our dysfunctional government, we are going the way of Zimbabwe, Burundi, and Yemen.

Welcome to the third world.
Oh wow... Oh wow... wow... wow.. :doh We are no way "going the way of Zimbabwe, Burundi, and Yemen"... :lamo To even say so is ****ing hysterical..
 
More from the WSJ article:



Visual of the government rolling out new legislation:

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I thought we were not going to "derail" this thread about healthcare?
 
Wait isnt the right wing talking point that Europe is "socialist"? Therefor somehow making it "business unfriendly"? Im confused....



Oh wow... Oh wow... wow... wow.. :doh We are no way "going the way of Zimbabwe, Burundi, and Yemen"... :lamo To even say so is ****ing hysterical..

Right wing talking points can be confusing.
So can left wing talking points.
or any talking points not grounded in reality.
 
Right wing talking points can be confusing.
So can left wing talking points.
or any talking points not grounded in reality.

Well please tell me how we are "going the way of Zimbabwe"? Is the government taking white peoples land and farm land form them and giving them to the poor?
 
Well please tell me how we are "going the way of Zimbabwe"? Is the government taking white peoples land and farm land form them and giving them to the poor?

No were inflating our currency so much there is fear of hyperinflation like that has happened in Zimbabwe
 
Well please tell me how we are "going the way of Zimbabwe"? Is the government taking white peoples land and farm land form them and giving them to the poor?

I believe that was a reference to maintaining such an inefficient government bureaucracy that business can't get its business done. There were some other nations mentioned as well, none of which we need to emulate.
 
I believe that was a reference to maintaining such an inefficient government bureaucracy that business can't get its business done. There were some other nations mentioned as well, none of which we need to emulate.

In your opinion of course...
 
I think there are very very very few people in this world that want to emulate Zimbabwe.

I would hope so. Yet, when I posted:

There were some other nations mentioned as well, none of which we need to emulate.

You responded that it was just my opinion.

which must mean we're of the same opinion:?:
 
OSHA is second only to the IRS in making your life miserable, they assume the employer is to blame.

I wonder how much paperwork the owners of this factory need to do? They don't have to worry about OSHA

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If you were honest and look at wealth distribution in America you'd see it hasn't changed much in a 100 years. It has moved some in both directions but remains very close to the same. Search UC Santa Cruz wealth distribution studies for the research. There was a big change in 08/9 when the poor who should have never been given loans defaulted on them. Nothing like trying socialsism out to know it always fails.

Bush was trying CORPORATE socialism in 2002-2008 you mean. Bankers made the profit and the govt. took the losses. The borrowers were nothing but pawns.
 
So much failure in that. You can't event look past your partisan blinders to see how the radical left thru the ilk of racism and acorn got banks to embrace giving loans to people who could never pay them
back. Yes of course the banks made money on it - duh - that is what they do. In fact the profits they were allowed were probably obscene just because the knew what they were doing was wrong - except
that lawyers of the left forced them to do it or go out of business.


Bush was trying CORPORATE socialism in 2002-2008 you mean. Bankers made the profit and the govt. took the losses. The borrowers were nothing but pawns.
 
I would hope so. Yet, when I posted:



You responded that it was just my opinion.

which must mean we're of the same opinion:?:

I dont think meant Zimbabwe... Why would anyone want to emulate Zimbabwe?
 
So much failure in that. You can't event look past your partisan blinders to see how the radical left thru the ilk of racism and acorn got banks to embrace giving loans to people who could never pay them
back. Yes of course the banks made money on it - duh - that is what they do. In fact the profits they were allowed were probably obscene just because the knew what they were doing was wrong - except
that lawyers of the left forced them to do it or go out of business.

Criticizing someone for partisan blindness and mentioning Acorn AND socialism in the same post.

Derp!
 
I agree that America has lost its way. Personally, I'm not bright enough to develop a cogent plan to get the USA back on track. I do have opinions about why we are where we are, and it's taken decades of making the wrong choices to get us here:

*NAFTA and outsourcing. "Bad jobs will leave, great jobs will come". BS. Jobs in nearly all industries were hit and hit hard. "Made in the USA" is just a tired mantra from the 70's, because American manufacturing is almost nonexistent, and much of the manufacturing we do have is via corporations owned outside of America. Service jobs were dumped overseas... just try to understand the Customer Service Representative based in India next time you have a question about a product you own. Even American-owned companies import all their product from overseas. We just got a brand new DirectTV receiver and remote; both were made in China. We are even outsourcing our high-paying engineer/research jobs, either sending the work itself overseas or bringing foreign engineers, researchers, etc. into the USA to fill jobs here. Electronic giants like Hewlett-Packard and other import all their machines from overseas manufacturing plants. We shot ourselves in the head decades ago, and we've been bleeding out ever since.

*Educational decline. We are now graduating more functionally illiterate students from high school and even universities than ever before. America isn't at the bottom of the "civilized countries educational scale", but we are close enough smell the floor of the barrel.

*Deregulation. This was supposed to cut government bureaucracy, but all it did was yank the rug out from under checks and balances for the use of public funds, allowing huge swaths of local to national governmental agencies to fling taxpayer money into junk bonds, until many cities and counties were nearly bankrupt, and give banks and financial institutions the power to bundle mortgages without oversight, leading to the housing/financial crisis over the past decade. Trickle down... didn't.

*Out of control healthcare and insurance cost. Without pesky controls and mandatory audits, medical and research facilities are basically able to charge anything they damned well please for their services, thereby encouraging insurance companies to do the same for healthcare coverage. It has been systematically bankrupting businesses and their employees for decades.

*Redundant government bureaucracies. These porkers exist for one reason only, to continue the demand for their own existence. What exactly does the Dept of Health and Human Services do besides telling people to eat healthy, not smoke and use condoms? Do we really need a federal Dept of Education to duplicate the oversight of local and state Depts. of Education? Do we really need a Dept. of Agriculture and a Agriculture Marketing Service and a Agriculture Research Service? Do we really need 15 Cabinet Agencies and more than 2,000 other federal agencies??

*Extreme Partisanship. Over the past 20 years, our government hasn't been "of the people, by the people". It's been a tag-team football match between democrats and republicans where the good of the nation has been ignored in favor of "our side" winning at all costs, preferably by destroying "their side". Nobody in congress cares about citizens unless they are rich enough to donate chunks of campaign funds or are required ballot-casters at the next election. Other than that, we are the "47%" that nobody gives a fat flying rat's ass about.

Uh.... wow, sorry. I didn't plan this to be a tl;dr rant. I still feel better having gotten some of my frustration out. If you read at least some of it, thanks, I appreciate it. If you didn't, I really do understand, lol. :)
 
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