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House votes to defund Planned Parenthood

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ptif219 said:
What is mean is PP claiming abortion is not what they are about yet that is the fastest growing part of their organization. Their adoptions keep declining. That tells me they are promoting abortion and down playing adoption.
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Maybe it's just simple supply and demand - why is PP always exempt from this concept? It seems to me that if the customers want abortion, you should give them abortion.
 
ptif219 said:
What is mean is PP claiming abortion is not what they are about yet that is the fastest growing part of their organization. Their adoptions keep declining. That tells me they are promoting abortion and down playing adoption.
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PP does not offer adoption services. So it cannot ever go up or down.
 
mac said:
it seems to be you haveing difficulty reading.
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I read it just fine. You're the one trying to say that its "contrived" when it asks EXACTLY what the whole debate is about. Federal funds and planned parenthood. Should it be eliminated or not.
 
mac said:
the question left no room for those who appreciate the no abortion side of pp and do not wish to see it eliminated. it forces people like me to vote the lesser of two evils. it is a dishonest poll question.
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Oh so it just didn't ask if the abortion part should be eliminated?

Or are you still trying to claim that federal monies goes towards abortion? And that is what you want to see eliminated. Because that has thoroughly been debunked. No federal monies goes towards abortion.
 
Kal'Stang said:
PP does not offer adoption services. So it cannot ever go up or down.
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They do offer adoption counseling, and can put women in touch with adoption agencies. However, I already showed in another post how infrequently they discuss adoption vs abortion on their website. Logic would dictate the practice in the centers is equally more slanted towards abortion.
Thinking About Adoption
 
Kal'Stang said:
I read it just fine. You're the one trying to say that its "contrived" when it asks EXACTLY what the whole debate is about. Federal funds and planned parenthood. Should it b@e eliminated or not.
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blind partisanship.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Oh so it just didn't ask if the abortion part should be eliminated?

Or are you still trying to claim that federal monies goes towards abortion? And that is what you want to see eliminated. Because that has thoroughly been debunked. No federal monies goes towards abortion.
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federal money goes to an organization that provides abortion. you' ve debunked squat.
 
theplaydrive said:
Maybe it's just simple supply and demand - why is PP always exempt from this concept? It seems to me that if the customers want abortion, you should give them abortion.
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That is why the government should stop funding them. PP promotes abortion it is reflected in their own numbers. Abortions up adoption down
 
ptif219 said:
That is why the government should stop funding them. PP promotes abortion it is reflected in their own numbers. Abortions up adoption down
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PP is not an adoption center - it offers women's health centers. It wouldn't make sense to judge them on adoption...It makes sense to judge them on abortion and contraception.
 
Whovian said:
They do offer adoption counseling, and can put women in touch with adoption agencies. However, I already showed in another post how infrequently they discuss adoption vs abortion on their website. Logic would dictate the practice in the centers is equally more slanted towards abortion.
Thinking About Adoption
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Of course it's more slanted towards abortion than adoption - PP isn't an adoption agency. Most people don't go to PP for adoption, they go to adoption agencies. People go to PP for contraception, abortion and sexual health services/education.
 
ptif219 said:
What is mean is PP claiming abortion is not what they are about yet that is the fastest growing part of their organization. Their adoptions keep declining. That tells me they are promoting abortion and down playing adoption.
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EXCEPT THAT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ABORTION HAS BEEN ILLEGAL SINCE 1975!

yes, PP does do abortions. they did more in 2010 than 2009... 2% more. and abortion is perfectly legal. but the funding that PP gets from the Fed Gov does not GO to providing abortions... so... the money you take away is being taken away from contraception, family planning, education, contraception.... it will have no effect on abortion.

it a religious right grandstanding, the Teat Party flexing its muscles. and it is going to hurt... expect that the law will be challenged in court. The ACLU won similar contests. and it is a religionist putsch.... it is NOT the popular will...CNN took a poll the week before the vote -
"Do you think federal funding for Planned Parenthood should be eliminated entirely, or do you think the federal government should continue to provide funding to Planned Parenthood?"

65% said to continue support. This has been consistent for two decades.

rabid ideology is poisonous. rabid religionist ideology is the MOST poisonous.

geo.
 
theplaydrive said:
PP is not an adoption center - it offers women's health centers. It wouldn't make sense to judge them on adoption...It makes sense to judge them on abortion and contraception.
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But they claim they are not an abortion center.It is only 3%. You show the lies. They do make adoption referrals. I am sure if they could make more money at that than abortions they would promote adoptions
 
Geo Patric said:
EXCEPT THAT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ABORTION HAS BEEN ILLEGAL SINCE 1975!

yes, PP does do abortions. they did more in 2010 than 2009... 2% more. and abortion is perfectly legal. but the funding that PP gets from the Fed Gov does not GO to providing abortions... so... the money you take away is being taken away from contraception, family planning, education, contraception.... it will have no effect on abortion.

it a religious right grandstanding, the Teat Party flexing its muscles. and it is going to hurt... expect that the law will be challenged in court. The ACLU won similar contests. and it is a religionist putsch.... it is NOT the popular will...CNN took a poll the week before the vote -
"Do you think federal funding for Planned Parenthood should be eliminated entirely, or do you think the federal government should continue to provide funding to Planned Parenthood?"

65% said to continue support. This has been consistent for two decades.

rabid ideology is poisonous. rabid religionist ideology is the MOST poisonous.

geo.
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You prove the point. They do abortions so should not get tax dollars
 
ptif219 said:
But they claim they are not an abortion center.It is only 3%. You show the lies. They do make adoption referrals. I am sure if they could make more money at that than abortions they would promote adoptions
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They're not an abortion center either - they are a women's health center. They provide healthcare - healthcare is what their known for. Abortion is part of women's healthcare in addition to contraception, cancer screenings, etc. Health centers do not generally focus on adoption. Health centers focus on health. Adoption centers or social services focus on adoption.
 
theplaydrive said:
They're not an abortion center either - they are a women's health center. They provide healthcare - healthcare is what their known for. Abortion is part of women's healthcare in addition to contraception, cancer screenings, etc. Health centers do not generally focus on adoption. Health centers focus on health. Adoption centers or social services focus on adoption.
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PP lies so much how do we know what they do

Cecile Richards misleads: Planned Parenthood does NOT provide mammograms - Jill Stanek
 
theplaydrive said:
The screenshots from PP's website from your link clearly state that PP only refers clients to doctors who give mammograms. Nothing to see here. The point is that PP is a women's health center, therefore, they are primarily concerned with women's health, particularly sexual health - this does not include adoption.
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the fact is that pp's primary purpose is to prevent birth through education, contraception, and abortion. women's health services are secondary to that and rather limited.
 
theplaydrive said:
The screenshots from PP's website from your link clearly state that PP only refers clients to doctors who give mammograms. Nothing to see here. The point is that PP is a women's health center, therefore, they are primarily concerned with women's health, particularly sexual health - this does not include adoption.
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Nothing to see? The head person lies and says women will not be able to get mammograms when they close? It shows that PP lies and is corrupt.
 
mac said:
the fact is that pp's primary purpose is to prevent birth through education, contraception, and abortion. women's health services are secondary to that and rather limited.
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umm...contraception and abortion ARE women's heath services...
 
theplaydrive said:
umm...contraception and abortion ARE women's heath services...
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contraception is a human health issue. abortion is more than just a health issue. but calling it a women's health center is purposely misleading.
 
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