House Passes Resolution Formalizing Impeachment Inquiry

[Nalu]

The Democrats in Congress have gone of the deep end in their level of corruption and absurdity.

We get it. The Democrats in Congress are PISSED that Trump stopped Russia from getting the rest of Ukraine they hadn't got yet from Obama, PISSED that Russia gets no more of our uranium and PISSED at Trump's sanctions against Russia. The Democrats and warhawks went berserk losing out on a war in Syria - that would have been vastly worst than the Democrat Vietnam War. They truly are traitors of the worst kind.

Starting with Andrew Jackson, the Democratic Party has been THE worst enemy the USA has ever had to this day and is responsible for over 90% of American war deaths. There is no limit to their evil or how traitorous they are. The Democratic Party is the anti-American Fascist Party.

You wanna know what's even worse about the US than the Democratic party?

You (and others) calling your fellow Americans with whom you have political differences "the worst enemy the USA has ever had", "evil", and "traiterous".

Pull yourself together.

 

[eman623]

I'm a little surprised that all but two of the 30-odd Dems who represent districts that voted for Trump voted for the formal hearings. One can only wonder what Pelosi and the Dem whip had to do to get them on board.

 

[noonereal]

Or was that just an "I know you are but what am I?"

No, that is not the case at all.

 

[noonereal]

I'm a little surprised that all but two of the 30-odd Dems who represent districts that voted for Trump voted for the formal hearings. One can only wonder what Pelosi and the Dem whip had to do to get them on board.

Maybe they just wanted to do the right thing.

I know in this age of TRump one does not expect this but stranger things have happened.

 

[Nalu]

Virtually every claim made about Trump and Russia was verified as fact by Mueller. Just because it was not criminally prosecutable does not mean they were lies. Media organizations are not prosecutors they report facts as they find them. Meanwhile yet another reporter has left FOX saying "Facts matter". Soon there will be only "personalities" doing "acts" on FOX.

Fox News' Catherine Herridge joins CBS News, saying 'facts matter' - CNN

Ah, that's awesome. I always thought Herridge was too good for FOX. Unfortunately, as the last few honest people flee that network, the psychosis there will get deeper and will reinforce the psychosis of its viewers.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Cross examination is never pointless. Gimme, you are sounding more like you don't want a fair process and just expect the railroading to continue unabated.

Wait...of course you are. Ever since Trump won the election that's what you have wanted and that's why every witness should be examined and every statement pushed against because the truth doesn't come from crafted statements and rehearsed speeches, it comes when you are pushed hard enough to just state what you are thinking immediately and instantly.

Thats a lot of hand waving in avoiding the same point made twice, the WB testimony has been corroborated by 1st hand witnesses.

 

[noonereal]

Nope, no fascism on the left, none at all.

I am a Republican. A real republican. Not a Trumpet fruitcake.

 

[Bluedogdem]

We want a vote... A vote was taken

No we wanted a different vote..

 

[Nalu]

...of course there is. There is always a question in what a person testifying states. Always.

It's all been confirmed. Healthy skepticism becomes desperate denial at this point.

 

[Nickyjo]

Only you arent calling the Republicans bluff

The republicans/GOP and the President have said time and time again, that a formal impeachment vote needs to happen on the floor of the house

Why?

Because that puts the 30 odd democratic house members that will have to vote for the impeachment in peril

I know it...Nancy know it...everyone in DC knows it

She is doing everything in her power NOT to have that vote right now....because IF this blows up, she wants to retain those 30 odd house seats

The issue with the subpoena's is that the house has no teeth to make anyone submit to those subpoena's

They need the AG and the DOJ to be able to arrest for non compliance

Until a vote, or until Nancy calls this whole thing off....we are all just wasting time

before the holidays she will run out of "willing witnesses"

waiting to see what happens then....

Not sure I understand. Maybe we are talking past one another. "Republicans/GOP and the president" are not alone. The Constitution and the democrats agree that a vote to impeach is necessary eventually in the House. Pelosi just did have a vote, an unnecessary one at this stage, but one the GOP seemed to want. I also assume that any nervous democrats will feel less so about their votes today if and when some of the negative info on Trump's actions is confirmed or amplified through further and public testimony. If Trump is cleared, they may have to answer to angry voters. Big deal. As Truman said, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen."

Given the evidence at this stage, voting for impeachment investigation or hearings is a no-brainer. If witnesses are told not to show up by the prez, more grounds for impeachment. I suspect that if serious evidence piles up, even some republicans will vote to impeach, especially if public opinion continues to move negatively for the president.

 

[rickc]

Well as the parade of witnesses are called.in to testify before the house.of.representatives and televised on CSPAN and all the 24 hr news networks all that propaganda FAUX and the rest of right wing media has fed those deplorables will be proven to be lies.

 

[Visbek]

So...hearsay?

:roll:

The whistleblower was not providing testimony in a court of law. Nor was he twelve steps removed from the matters he discussed.

And again: The concerns described by the first whistleblower have almost all been corroborated. This includes:
• White House attorneys deliberately and inappropriately locked down the call summary in a secure server designed for highly classified materials, because they didn't want it to get out

• Other call notes were similarly locked down

• Giuliani was running a shadow foreign policy

• Numerous White House / Executive Branch staffers were deeply worried about the call, and thought Trump was abusing his position for personal gain

• The Ukraine call did not discuss any corruption cases except the false claims about the Bidens

• Ukraine was encouraged to "play ball"

• Trump was pushing for "investigations" while changing US policies on Ukraine

• The whistleblower was concerned that Trump wanted to get Barr involved

Thus, and again... All these attempts to slag the whistleblower are pointless, because so much of what he was worried about has already been proven. All it shows is that you can't defend Trump on the substance of the allegations.

 

[Bluedogdem]

Well as the parade of witnesses are called.in to testify before the house.of.representatives and televised on CSPAN and all the 24 hr news networks all that propaganda FAUX and the rest of right wing media has fed those deplorables will be proven to be lies.

Crazy thing is this is what they wanted. For the last few weeks they've been on tv crying about this. Now it finally happens they are dumbfounded and crying wolf

 

[W_Heisenberg]

:roll:

The whistleblower was not providing testimony in a court of law. Nor was he twelve steps removed from the matters he discussed.

And again: The concerns described by the first whistleblower have almost all been corroborated. This includes:
• White House attorneys deliberately and inappropriately locked down the call summary in a secure server designed for highly classified materials, because they didn't want it to get out

• Other call notes were similarly locked down

• Giuliani was running a shadow foreign policy

• Numerous White House / Executive Branch staffers were deeply worried about the call, and thought Trump was abusing his position for personal gain

• The Ukraine call did not discuss any corruption cases except the false claims about the Bidens

• Ukraine was encouraged to "play ball"

• Trump was pushing for "investigations" while changing US policies on Ukraine

• The whistleblower was concerned that Trump wanted to get Barr involved

Thus, and again... All these attempts to slag the whistleblower are pointless, because so much of what he was worried about has already been proven. All it shows is that you can't defend Trump on the substance of the allegations.

But but but her e-mails.

 

[Nalu]

Only you arent calling the Republicans bluff

The republicans/GOP and the President have said time and time again, that a formal impeachment vote needs to happen on the floor of the house

Why?

Because that puts the 30 odd democratic house members that will have to vote for the impeachment in peril

I know it...Nancy know it...everyone in DC knows it

She is doing everything in her power NOT to have that vote right now....because IF this blows up, she wants to retain those 30 odd house seats

The issue with the subpoena's is that the house has no teeth to make anyone submit to those subpoena's

They need the AG and the DOJ to be able to arrest for non compliance

Until a vote, or until Nancy calls this whole thing off....we are all just wasting time

before the holidays she will run out of "willing witnesses"

waiting to see what happens then....

With all due respect, there isn't enough room in a football stadium for that much bull****. You think a vote on impeachment articles is going to compel Barr and the DOJ to enforce the House's subpoenas? Please don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

As you've been told quite a few times already, a House supboena is a House subpoena is a House subpoena. There is no more forceful or legitimate subpoena than the ones that have already been issued. The Trump administration is never going to satisfy them no matter how many votes the Democrats take, which is a big part of the reason Trump is going to be impeached. Ironically, as he's shoring up his base with these unconstitutional tactics, he's alienating moderates and independents. Most Americans frown on lawlessness, especially by their president.

 

[Nalu]

Mitt Romney and which other one?

I predict there will be more than 2 of them.

 

[Visbek]

The House is relying on the credibility of the whistle blower. It matters to the truth of the issues. Corroborated 2nd hand isn't corroborated by someone that actually listened to the call.

News flash! The House hasn't depositioned the whistleblower.

Someone who did listen to the call already gave testimony that what Trump said was deeply troubling and problematic, and that there was even a quid pro quo.

The first whistleblower's primary impact was alerting the House to the issues, and as a guide to avenues of investigation. And guess what? He was justified in his concern, as shown by how much of what he wrote has been supported by subsequent testimony by Executive Branch staffers.

 

[Visbek]

that was the RULES....not voting for the impeachment

that is what will put them at risk....and they ALL know it

sigh

Neither the Constitution, nor US law, nor House rules, required a formal vote from the full House to start an impeachment inquiry.

A federal judge even ruled in court the other day that it wasn't required.

The "risk" was that Democratic Representatives in Trump-leaning districts might get some blowback from voting on a formal inquiry. iven that almost every single House Dem voted for the inquiry, those Reps obviously concluded that the risk was small.

 

[Nalu]

Not sure yet, Nixon thought the same thing.

However I believe more people would put country before party back then...

Yeah, this is really all up to the Democrats now. The House is a lost cause. It has been for decades. Thankfully, the Senate has always been more deliberative. If the Democrats can present an airtight case, or close to it, I think a number of Senate Republicans will vote to convict. Some might do it even if it costs them their seats. There are still some good people/Americans in existence. Whether they are for or against Trump is going to define the careers, maybe even the lives, of some people.

 

[JasperL]

LOL see those goalposts in the distance, those were the goalposts that used to read the whistleblower is non partisan.

No, actually the dumb libruls have been pointing out for weeks now that the substance, the truth or falsity, of the allegations in the complaint wouldn't change even if the WB was the biggest Trump hater in the country. It's just a fact.

 

[Visbek]

The opposite is true.

Try again.

• The whistleblower never said he was on the call; he even explicitly wrote "I was not a direct witness to most of the events described"

• White House attorneys deliberately and inappropriately locked down the call summary in a secure server designed for highly classified materials

• Other call notes were locked down to the same systems

• Giuliani was running a shadow foreign policy

• Numerous White House / Executive Branch staffers were deeply worried about the call, and thought Trump was abusing his position for personal gain

• The Ukraine call did not discuss any corruption cases except the false claims about the Bidens

• Ukraine was encouraged to "play ball"

• Trump was pushing for "investigations" while changing US policies on Ukraine

• The whistleblower was concerned that Trump wanted to get Barr involved

Do us a favor, and try to keep up, kthx.

 

[JasperL]

The integrity of the original person that heard the call doesn't matter? Ok you run with that.

That's not the WB, but in fact the general "integrity" of that person isn't relevant to the claims made about the call. The claims about the call have been verified or not by the transcript of the call, and witnesses who testified under oath about it, and actions before and after the call.

 

[Obscurity]

Imagine, Obama having a personal lawyer running a shadow foreign policy directive, working to undermine and oust our own ambassadors, working to sway policy with foreign leaders by hanging apportioned funds over their heads.

Man, I can't. Another world, another time, in the age of wonder.....

 

[digitusmedius]

Let the whining begin... They wanted a vote ...a vote was taken.. They will run to Fox news and cry foul

And it was all predicted to happen. Republicans are nothing if not that. It could be called their "tantrum strategy," and always used when they've been caught out.

 

[gdgyva]

Not sure I understand. Maybe we are talking past one another. "Republicans/GOP and the president" are not alone. The Constitution and the democrats agree that a vote to impeach is necessary eventually in the House. Pelosi just did have a vote, an unnecessary one at this stage, but one the GOP seemed to want. I also assume that any nervous democrats will feel less so about their votes today if and when some of the negative info on Trump's actions is confirmed or amplified through further and public testimony. If Trump is cleared, they may have to answer to angry voters. Big deal. As Truman said, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen."

Given the evidence at this stage, voting for impeachment investigation or hearings is a no-brainer. If witnesses are told not to show up by the prez, more grounds for impeachment. I suspect that if serious evidence piles up, even some republicans will vote to impeach, especially if public opinion continues to move negatively for the president.

Pelosi just did have a vote, an unnecessary one at this stage, but one the GOP seemed to want. huh? who said the GOP/President wanted a vote on the house rules? that doesnt put the 30 odd house members at risk....the impeachment vote will....

The republicans/GOP is not going to abandon Trump until there is ample reason....we arent even close to that

You are barely at 50% of the country wanting Trump impeached.....that number needs to get closer to 70% before this gets to actual senate confirmation territory

so...we will see what happens through the holidays....as the witnesses dry up, and the subpoena's go unanswered...and then see where Nancy goes....