House Passes Measure to Repeal and Replace the Affordable Care Act

[ocean515]

Sanders says he will introduce 'Medicare for all' bill | TheHill

already did. this is the answer to the healthcare mess. it's that easy.

Sanders lacks credibility with the majority of the people. I don't think his DOA gesture is going to keep the Dems out of the fire.

Rationed single payer government healthcare is going to be a tough sell, especially with so many examples around the world to learn from.

 

[Jack Hays]

Pricing people out of coverage is the selling point for this legislation. It attempts to "lower" premiums for those of us who are young and healthy by bouncing middle-aged and older folks and those with health conditions in their past out of our insurance pool. Turns out if you kick the right 30 million people off their coverage, the rest of us might save a couple bucks. Huzzah!

I understand that's your propaganda talking point.

 

[Fiddytree]

You say that as if it is a bad thing.

I like having health care, thank you very much.

Tell you what, let's stop you from having health coverage, just 'cause.

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[ocean515]

GOP/RNC/NRCC are running quite scared these days . eace

LOL

Keep telling yourself that.

What is the DNC/Socialist Progressives running these days?

 

[Greenbeard]

I understand that's your propaganda talking point.

What do you think moving from a 3:1 to a 5:1 age rating band does to premiums for people in the upper half of the age distribution?

What do you think allowing individual rating on health history does to the premiums of anyone without a pristine medical history?

This isn't rocket science.

 

[Linc]

Sanders lacks credibility with the majority of the people. I don't think his DOA gesture is going to keep the Dems out of the fire.

Rationed single payer government healthcare is going to be a tough sell, especially with so many examples around the world to learn from.

The only lawmakers I hear and see calling trumpcare DOA are GOP senators .

 

[Jack Hays]

Senators saying trumpcare DOA .

I'm certain the bill that will emerge from the Senate won't look much like the one passed by the House. Then there will be a conference. It will still be Trumpcare.

 

[Fearandloathing]

What we got now has little if anything to do with what Trump wants. This bill is what congress wants. Will Trump approve or not is yet to be seen.

I could care less how many times Trump reverses himself. That is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is what he accomplishes.

So I guess I put you down as "non partisan"

Indeed, we WILL see what the result is.....especially after his White House lawn news conference announcing this tiny step as a "great accomplishment"; therefore no matter what, you will say it is "better than we had before" but never explain "better"

 

[Winston]

Sanders lacks credibility with the majority of the people. I don't think his DOA gesture is going to keep the Dems out of the fire.

Rationed single payer government healthcare is going to be a tough sell, especially with so many examples around the world to learn from.

Conservatives have such a dim view of the world. Single-payer is a wild success in Denmark, Sweden, Germany, France, UK, Canada, should I keep going?

A broad national consensus is developing that health care is indeed a right. This is historically new. And it carries immense implications for the future. It suggests that we may be heading inexorably to a government-run, single-payer system. It’s what Barack Obama once admitted he would have preferred but didn’t think the country was ready for. It may be ready now.

As Obamacare continues to unravel, it won’t take much for Democrats to abandon that Rube Goldberg wreckage and go for the simplicity and the universality of Medicare-for-all. Republicans will have one last chance to try to convince the country to remain with a market-based system, preferably one encompassing all the provisions that, for procedural reasons, had been left out of their latest proposal.

Don’t be surprised, however, if, in the end, single-payer wins out. Indeed, I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if Donald Trump, reading the zeitgeist, pulls the greatest 180 since Disraeli dished the Whigs in 1867 (by radically expanding the franchise) and joins the single-payer side.

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Charles Krauthammer

Single-payer, here we come: The health care revolution in waiting - NY Daily News

 

[Jack Hays]

What do you think moving from a 3:1 to a 5:1 age rating band does to premiums for people in the upper half of the age distribution?

What do you think allowing individual rating on health history does to the premiums of anyone without a pristine medical history?

This isn't rocket science.

I'm happy to watch it evolve.

 

[ocean515]

The only lawmakers I hear and see calling trumpcare DOA are GOP senators .

I'm already on record here saying I don't believe the Senate is going to pass the bill.

Anything new to add?

Got that channel playing comments from every GOP lawmaker in the Nation? I'd like to see it....

 

[Fiddytree]

I'm certain the bill that will emerge from the Senate won't look much like the one passed by the House. Then there will be a conference. It will still be Trumpcare.

And Medicaid?

I dont have much confidence in the Senate being much in favor of people with disabilities, who have become the primary target of the AHCA.

This bill has been a straight up attack on us.

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[Bucky]

I like having health care, thank you very much.

Tell you what, let's stop you from having health coverage, just 'cause.

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I like things that work. I would rather not have the U.S economy collapse.

It is a good thing to put people in an underfunded high risk pool. Those that are older, with pre-existing conditions, Transgenders, Women, etc....

American health insurance companies need to make a profit in order for them to stay in business.

I am a capitalist and American. In the end, it is only about money and profits all the time. Remember that Fiddytree.

 

[Linc]

What do you think moving from a 3:1 to a 5:1 age rating band does to premiums for people in the upper half of the age distribution?

What do you think allowing individual rating on health history does to the premiums of anyone without a pristine medical history?

This isn't rocket science.

Get ready for another short response. GOPs now believe you should only have insurance if you've led a "good life".

The current GOP is the same party as in 2012 with "legitimate rape" .

 

[MAGAnificent]

Well, republicans in the house managed to force the revised AHCA through!



Seems like a terrible bill to me. They're dramatically reducing access to health coverage to tens of millions of Americans.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/...tentID=65249735&pgtype=Homepage&_r=0&referer=

You liberals seem quite confused about coverage. Most of the so-called coverage from Obamacare amounts to the middle class paying monthly premiums higher then their home mortgage payments and facing deductibles in the $6000.00 to $12,000.00 range. Do you call that coverage? if I had taken an Obamacare approved policy....I would have had to spend $6000.00 out of pocket every year before any of that so-called coverage would kick in.

 

[Fiddytree]

I like things that work. I would rather not have the U.S economy collapse.

It is a good thing to put people in an underfunded high risk pool. Those that are older, with pre-existing conditions, Transgenders, Women, etc....

American health insurance companies need to make a profit in order for them to stay in business.

I am a capitalist and American. In the end, it is only about money and profits all the time. Remember that Fiddytree.

So what's to become of us in your idealized world Bucky.

Just go out and say it. You're almost there.

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[Linc]

I'm already on record here saying I don't believe the Senate is going to pass the bill.

Anything new to add?

Got that channel playing comments from every GOP lawmaker in the Nation? I'd like to see it....

Unable to google or use a remote ?

 

[vesper]

Trumpcare guts preexisting conditions and throws everyone into an underfunded high risk pool. I don't have time for your alternative facts apdst.

Your post is really full of alternative facts.

The bill that passed today in the House gives back to states more control on how they will proceed with healthcare.
In the bill there is 21 BILLION over the next 10 years to be dispersed to the states to aid in setting up high risk pools and helping to keep the cost of premiums down.

Did you get that? 21 Billion.

The revised version of the bill also included an Amendment that instructs states how to set up a high risk pool using the successful example provided by the state of Maryland prior to Obamacare.

You know the beauty of states being allowed to maintain their rights without government overreach is it allows 50 test kitchens out there to come up with recipes that work. Then it becomes something other states can copy and implement after it has shown to be successful.

But big government lovers....well they have no appreciation for such things.

 

[Greenbeard]

I'm happy to watch it evolve.

I don't know what that means. Do you suddenly understand the issues being discussed here? Or do you still not see why the GOP's rating changes raising premiums for millions of people is a key feature of their approach--not a bug--and recognizing the core of their bill isn't "propaganda"?

 

[Linc]

I'm happy to watch it evolve.

I'm happy it's a 2018 issue .

 

[Mustachio]

Sure it is. What you said, which was undeniably flamebait personal insults directed at me, was stupid. Hence me calling your misguided and hypocritical insults what they were. :shrug:



Look at you equating not paying taxes to buy someone a service and literally killing them. Speaking of disabilities, that argument sure is "special."



You're so far off the deep end with this **** that it is disturbing... :screwy

Your personal comments here are baseless and insane.

You're not worth talking to. The argument that I'm a hypocrite because I'm stupid for calling you stupid is pretty funny, though. But you seem to be talking about something other than the topic at hand. You don't want to think about what the consequences of the policies you support. Typical. Lazy. The other adjectives I already used.

 

[Bucky]

Get ready for another short response. GOPs now believe you should only have insurance if you've led a "good life".

The current GOP is the same party as in 2012 with "legitimate rape" .

Not true. Those with pre-existing conditions should have insurance. They just need to be put in a higher risk class and pay a significantly higher premium.

Fat people that eat cheeseburgers for breakfast, decline to exercise, those that want to engage in unhealthy behavior should pay more. I'm not sure why they shouldn't.

 

[prometeus]

Rationed single payer government healthcare is going to be a tough sell, especially with so many examples around the world to learn from.

So which country has rationed single payer healthcare and how do the healthcare metrics compare to the US?

 

[ocean515]

Conservatives have such a dim view of the world. Single-payer is a wild success in Denmark, Sweden, Germany, France, UK, Canada, should I keep going?


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Charles Krauthammer

Single-payer, here we come: The health care revolution in waiting - NY Daily News

I'm not sure rationed healthcare is going to play as well as the far left believe it will.

https://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2015/apr/24/rationing-care-fact-of-life-nhs

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/health-care-rationing-is/

 

[MAGAnificent]

This will come back to haunt the morons that voted for this.

That is exactly what you should have told the idiots in your own party when they passed that massive piece of crap unaffectionately known as Obamacare. It very much did come back to haunt them. it's the biggest single reason that the republicans now control the House, the Senate, the White House, the majority of state legislatures, and the majority of State governors. And the crazy thing is that you are still defending Obamacare.