House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy Says McConnell Right To Call Jan. 6 A ‘Violent Insurrection’

[Sandy Shanks]

Pardon the pun, but President Biden's poll numbers are in the toilet.

Americans are blaming Biden for just about everything these days. They blame him for the pandemic, even though Republicans have fought the President tooth and nail on everything Biden has tried to do, including sacrificing their lives and the lives of their children.

They blame Biden for the inflation. The blame Biden because their supermarket has supply problems. Despite ending America's longest war -- the goal of three previous Presidents -- Americans somehow found fault with how Biden ended the Afghan War.

People in Kansas City are blaming Biden for the absence of the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.

Of course, we know that 40% of Americans would find fault with Biden even if he suddenly became a super hero and solved all our problems in the next day or two. They are called Trump Republicans. We hear Kansas City is a Republican town.

One Republican dares to speak out. For daring to speak the truth, the Republican National Committee censured her.

Chris Cillizza writes, "Liz Cheney is the "Guilty Remnant" of the Republican Party. The Wyoming lawmaker has, repeatedly, sought to remind Republicans of what they so badly want to forget: That attempts to overturn the 2020 election and the subsequent riot at the US Capitol are diametrically opposed to the principles the party had long espoused."

"Republicans used to advocate fidelity to the rule of law and the plain text of the Constitution," Cheney wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed on Thursday. "In 2020, Mr. Trump convinced many to abandon those principles. He falsely claimed that the election was stolen from him because of widespread fraud. While some degree of fraud occurs in every election, there was no evidence of fraud on a scale that could have changed this one."

The last is true. Trump lost sixty court cases, the Supreme Court, his own Attorney General, and all fifty states trying to prove differently.

Our President's poll numbers are down. Do Americans really think Republicans can do better?

The 2018 and 2020 elections were a referendum on how well Republicans handled the Presidency, House, and Senate. By 2021, the Republicans had lost the Presidency, House, and Senate.

The Republican President lost reelection by over seven million votes. Since then, he as claimed the election was stolen from him. Despite every bit of evidence to the contrary, to this day Trump preaches the stolen election. Trump Republicans pay him to say this. Trump then led an insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021, in a coup attempt to overthrown the elected government. Among other issues, Trump is being investigated for his handling of classified documents.

With the sole exceptions of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, every Republican in Congress in varying degrees support Donald Trump.

But they rarely mention his name and discussing what Trump did is taboo within the Republican Party even though several Republicans are running on the platform that Trump is the legitimate President.

I repeat, do Americans think the Republicans can do better?

 

[poweRob]

Our friends here who try to avoid calling Jan 6th what it was are getting less and less cover...



House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said Wednesday that he agrees with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's (R-Ky.) description of the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol as a "violent insurrection," as former President Donald Trump slammed McConnell’s comments as not in line with the “vast majority” of Republicans.

House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy Says McConnell Right To Call Jan. 6 A ‘Violent Insurrection’

Trump said McConnell’s comments were out of line with the “vast majority” of Republicans.

www.forbes.com

Stupid prick can't decide which side of this he is on.

 

[soap box]

I suspect McConnell has the inside skinny on what is more to be revealed by the House Select Committee and maybe even DOJ. Mitchie-poo does not like what he sees.

You're right about that and also they've been seeing polls with more people who identified themselves as independent than republican.

 

[MaryP]

So basically there are 4 Republican elected officials able to speak the truth instead of just Kinzinger and Cheney.

That's progress...I guess.

What about Sasse, Collins, Pence ..I'm sure there are a bunch more. What about the ad on Fox made by Republicans damning Republicans for not speaking out against Trump's responsibility for the insurrection?

You might be right that it's not enough, but I sense a change in the air. Maybe it's wishful thinking.

I'm astounded McCarthy added his voice to the chorus. Of course, he said nothing about Trump. Maybe that's how he plans to squirm out of it.

 

[JMR]

Wait....isn't this what he said in January 2021? And then he went to Mar Lago... And then he said differently? He's scared over someone other than Donald now?

 

[bluesmoke]

There is only so much money that the Republican Party can raise from the trailer trash Trumpster rubes. McConnell has to hang onto the big business Chamber of Commerce type of donors.

That is less likely to happen with stupid crap like "legitimate public discourse" being thrown around by the RNC, so McConnell recognizes the danger.

But they still get their votes.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

But they still get their votes.

Yeah, they still get the votes of the big business Republicans, but there aren't that many of them compared to the idiot Trumpster rubes. McConnell and the GOP need their money a lot more than they need their votes.

 

[jnug]

Pardon the pun, but President Biden's poll numbers are in the toilet.

Americans are blaming Biden for just about everything these days. They blame him for the pandemic, even though Republicans have fought the President tooth and nail on everything Biden has tried to do, including sacrificing their lives and the lives of their children.

They blame Biden for the inflation. The blame Biden because their supermarket has supply problems. Despite ending America's longest war -- the goal of three previous Presidents -- Americans somehow found fault with how Biden ended the Afghan War.



Our President's poll numbers are down. Do Americans really think Republicans can do better?

The 2018 and 2020 elections were a referendum on how well Republicans handled the Presidency, House, and Senate. By 2021, the Republicans had lost the Presidency, House, and Senate.

The Republican President lost reelection by over seven million votes. Since then, he as claimed the election was stolen from him. Despite every bit of evidence to the contrary, to this day Trump preaches the stolen election. Trump Republicans pay him to say this. Trump then led an insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021, in a coup attempt to overthrown the elected government. Among other issues, Trump is being investigated for his handling of classified documents.

With the sole exceptions of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, every Republican in Congress in varying degrees support Donald Trump.

But they rarely mention his name and discussing what Trump did is taboo within the Republican Party even though several Republicans are running on the platform that Trump is the legitimate President.

I repeat, do Americans think the Republicans can do better?

Sorry...trimmed out some of your post because I wanted to focus on what I left in the Quote Box.

First, no I do not think there is a snowball's chance in hell of Republicans doing better.

But, I do not know what has happened to WH Comm Shops in the 21st Century. From what I can see, they are flat awful. Since Biden is the President and Ron Klein is the COS, I basically blame Klein for this. He has certainly been around long enough to know how a solid WH Comm Shop should function. Are we just not producing these people any longer?

Take Biden's recent interview with NBC where he claimed "I am rejecting" the Army's report on the Afghanistan withdrawal. The report had come out in close proximity to the interview. What..... WH Comm Shop.....you didn't see that question coming? You did not do a better job preparing Biden than that?

We::
- are lousy at being an Army of Occupation. We are flat terrible at it. We are simply too large a country with too many interests to be militarily occupying anybody for any length of time without falling into the old traps we invariably fall into. Our high point for occupations were Japan and Germany after WW2 and we did not do that great a job then either.
- Should have been out of Afghanistan after the mission to destroy the terrorist camps was completed some TEN YEARS AGO. Never mind all this crap about "the women and the girls". We still don't treat our own Women and Girls as we should. So what the fugg are we doing in another country trying to change their culture either around gender issues or any other issues for that matter. STOP!!!!!!!!

The simple truth of it is that whether we like it or not we or not we are not well suited to the situation once we are not fighting a conventional "BIG FORCE" military action. The only other thing we appear to be good at is tactically precise missions. Beyond that WE SUCK and I have seen enough throughout the history of the 20th and 21st Centuries to think we will NEVER be good at anything other than those two things when on foreign soil as an occupying force. The State Dept becomes disconnected from the Military and we just end up in this swirl of contentiousness and controversy and thus CANNOT GET OUT OF OUR OWN WAY!!!

Biden actually had good answers to the question of the Army report on the withdrawal from Afghanistan. He certainly had better answers than "I am rejecting it". Heck Biden wanted us out ten years ago!!!! In addition if there is anybody that should know how bad we are at being an Army of Occupation, it's Biden. He has been around for everything I have been around for I think. We do our thing. We get in. We get out. That we can do. We fugged up in Vietnam. We did great in Iraq War 1 and fugged up something fierce with Iraq War 2 because we had no exit strategy. We fugged up royally in Afghanistan were we spent ungodly amounts of treasure and lives doing what for the last ten years? SyrIa....another Vietnam like conflict. We finally got out. But did we really accomplish anything?

 

[CaughtInThe]

But they still get their votes.

for whatever reason, conservatives love voting for traitors and gangbangers.

 

[bluesmoke]

Yeah, they still get the votes of the big business Republicans, but there aren't that many of them compared to the idiot Trumpster rubes. McConnell and the GOP need their money a lot more than they need their votes.

Of course, they need both. But I don't know of many people that give money to people they vote against. Except the manipulators, biz types, et al, hedging bets.

 

[Blue Dog]

This is surprising. It seems Rep McCarthy is not concerned about a primary challenge from a Trump devotee….

 

[bluesmoke]

for whatever reason, conservatives love voting for traitors and gangbangers.

That's only two on the list of worst Rep/cons hold in high esteem.

 

[Callen]

This is surprising. It seems Rep McCarthy is not concerned about a primary challenge from a Trump devotee

Maybe not for his Congressional seat but I bet Trump promotes Stephanik for Speaker.

 

[Blue Dog]

Maybe not for his Congressional seat but I bet Trump promotes Stephanik for Speaker.

Fair point.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

The Republican President lost reelection by over seven million votes. Since then, he as claimed the election was stolen from him. Despite every bit of evidence to the contrary, to this day Trump preaches the stolen election. Trump Republicans pay him to say this. Trump then led an insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021, in a coup attempt to overthrown the elected government. Among other issues, Trump is being investigated for his handling of classified documents.

Congressional Republicans support Trump, but they rarely mention his name and discussing what Trump did is taboo within the Republican Party even though several Republicans are running on the platform that Trump is the legitimate President.

Not a peep out of the forum's Republicans. This comes as no surprise.

 

[HangLow]

Our friends here who try to avoid calling Jan 6th what it was are getting less and less cover...

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said Wednesday that he agrees with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's (R-Ky.) description of the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol as a "violent insurrection," as former President Donald Trump slammed McConnell’s comments as not in line with the “vast majority” of Republicans.

House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy Says McConnell Right To Call Jan. 6 A ‘Violent Insurrection’

Trump said McConnell’s comments were out of line with the “vast majority” of Republicans.

www.forbes.com

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[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Joe Biden's concerns about the Ukraine crisis are extremely misplaced. He should be much more concerned about the fascist Republican Traitor Party's efforts to destroy our democracy and he should speak about the Republican Party with utter contempt, the same way that he speaks about Putin.

The Republican Traitor Party is a bigger threat to this country than Russia and Putin ever will be. Maybe if Biden wised-up and spoke about the Republican Party in those terms, he could terrify enough Democrats and Independents to vote in record numbers in Nov 2022 and save this country from fascist Republican rule.

Republicans will never give up power again once they control Congress in Jan 2023. They can't accept election defeats anymore. Jan 6 proved that.

 

[jnug]

Joe Biden's concerns about the Ukraine crisis are extremely misplaced. He should be much more concerned about the fascist Republican Traitor Party's efforts to destroy our democracy and he should speak about the Republican Party with utter contempt, the same way that he speaks about Putin.

The Republican Traitor Party is a bigger threat to this country than Russia and Putin ever will be. Maybe if Biden wised-up and spoke about the Republican Party in those terms, he could terrify enough Democrats and Independents to vote in record numbers in Nov 2022 and save this country from fascist Republican rule.

Republicans will never give up power again once they control Congress in Jan 2023. They can't accept election defeats anymore. Jan 6 proved that.

American Presidents have to be able to walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. Then again we could have another Obama who could only walk OR chew bubblegum. If we had a President in 2014 that was not entirely out of his depth with regard to foreign policy we might not be where we are today in foreign policy. Then again we could have another Trump who could do neither.

Unless we can shoehorn Manchin and Sinema out of their absurdly self serving, money grubbing positions especially for Democrats we have a real problem. They are in truth now dangerously close to being Repukes without the Vengeance Tour that is now just about all Repukes have. Manchin having run out of rationalizations has been beaten back to " just don't wanna'" Great answer Joe. Sinema just runs off to the ladies room which is no longer safe ground for her either.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

American Presidents have to be able to walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. Then again we could have another Obama who could only walk OR chew bubblegum. If we had a President in 2014 that was not entirely out of his depth with regard to foreign policy we might not be where we are today in foreign policy. Then again we could have another Trump who could do neither.

Unless we can shoehorn Manchin and Sinema out of their absurdly self serving, money grubbing positions especially for Democrats we have a real problem. They are in truth now dangerously close to being Repukes without the Vengeance Tour that is now just about all Repukes have. Manchin having run out of rationalizations has been beaten back to " just don't wanna'" Great answer Joe. Sinema just runs off to the ladies room which is no longer safe ground for her either.

That's not my point. Biden could do next to nothing regarding Ukraine, as far as I'm concerned. Sanctions are the most effective way to hurt Putin. That's why Putin helped Trump win in 2016, because he hated Obama and Sec of State Clinton regarding their sanctions over Crimea and Ukraine. Obama did a lot more to stop Putin than the traitor Trump ever did.

My point is that Biden should speak about the Republican Party in the same way that he speaks about Putin and Russia, if he wants to save this country. He should treat the 2022 election as a bigger emergency than what's going on in Ukraine.

Too many Americans seem to think that the Republican Party is going to return to "normal" now that Trump is gone. That is not going to happen. If anything, they've become worse since Trump left office.

 

[bluesmoke]

That's not my point. Biden could do next to nothing regarding Ukraine, as far as I'm concerned. Sanctions are the most effective way to hurt Putin. That's why Putin helped Trump win in 2016, because he hated Obama and Sec of State Clinton regarding their sanctions over Crimea and Ukraine. Obama did a lot more to stop Putin than the traitor Trump ever did.

My point is that Biden should speak about the Republican Party in the same way that he speaks about Putin and Russia, if he wants to save this country. He should treat the 2022 election as a bigger emergency than what's going on in Ukraine.

Too many Americans seem to think that the Republican Party is going to return to "normal" now that Trump is gone. That is not going to happen. If anything, they've become worse since Trump left office.

Biden is actually saying much more to your point, and others, than are most of the Dem party elected officials. They don't even speak-up in defense of, let alone mount any real offense for, themselves, democracy, civil rights, etc.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Biden is actually saying much more to your point, and others, than are most of the Dem party elected officials. They don't even speak-up in defense of, let alone mount any real offense for, themselves, democracy, civil rights, etc.

Yeah, the Democrats will finally start talking about the fascist Republican Traitor Party in the correct manner in 2023....when it's too late. Their lack of urgency is unforgiveable.

 

[ataraxia]

Stupid prick can't decide which side of this he is on.

He doesn’t care. He doesn’t care about issues or sides. He is not a man of any conviction or principle. He just wants to be speaker. Really bad. He has shown that he’s willing to use the constitution for toilet paper if that’s what it takes.

In that way, he’s a good representative of the entire GOP these days.

 

[bluesmoke]

Yeah, the Democrats will finally start talking about the fascist Republican Traitor Party in the correct manner in 2023....when it's too late. Their lack of urgency is unforgiveable.

I rarely hear anything like you just said from other apparently Dem/lib/prog posters.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

I rarely hear anything like you just said from other apparently Dem/lib/prog posters.

Yeah, because they haven't fully comprehended the threat. I guess a lot of them were asleep when 147 Republicans voted on the night of Jan 6 to overturn Biden's victory. A lot of the Democrats on this board seem to think the Republican Party will no longer be a threat to democracy with Trump out of the picture. Nothing could be further from the truth.

In Jan 2025, the Republican-controlled Congress is going to appoint the Republican candidate as President, even if Biden wins the Electoral College. The only question at that point is what does Biden and the military do about it.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Stupid prick can't decide which side of this he is on.

McCarthy has picked a side -- he is full Trumpster all the way.

However, he knows who butters his bread -- the rich big business Chamber of Commerce Republicans. After all, the RNC can't raise enough money from the trailer trash Trumpster rubes.

When wealthy Republicans hear idiotic RNC talk of "legitimate public discourse" when discussing Jan 6, this disturbs them and scares them. McConnell and McCarthy have to do something to reassure them.