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House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing Advic

Re: Powell email clears Hillary

Cardinal said:
Don't try to data bomb me. Show me where the emails she sent were marked confidential, secret and top secret.
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They have to be marked in a certain way all the time. It's a standard.
 
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American said:
They have to be marked in a certain way all the time. It's a standard.
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You think you're smarter than me? It's so obvious you're deflecting that the most idiotic posters on this forum can see through it. Show me where the emails she sent were marked confidential, secret and top secret.

You are not smarter than me, american, so cut this Mickey Mouse crap out.
 
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Cardinal said:
You think you're smarter than me? It's so obvious you're deflecting that the most idiotic posters on this forum can see through it. Show me where the emails she sent she sent were marked confidential, secret and top secret.

You are not smarter than me, american, so cut this Mickey Mouse crap out.
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I have to have the emails, Einstein.
 
Re: Powell email clears Hillary

Slyfox696 said:
...what was wrong with what he said? He was 100% right. A server is/can be nothing more than a personal PC. I have two of them in my home right now (1 for backups and testing website things and another for Plex).
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We are talking about a server set up 7 years ago running Exchange 2007. Exchange 2007 was only supported on 64bit processors which, at the time was limited to Xeon and AMD64, neither would fit in that computer, and whose heat output would likely melt it since the recommended minimum was 4 cores, meaning at the time 2 processors. That system also houses one 2.5" disk which didn't hold much and Server 2003 and Exchange would eat them alive. Then we come to the 8gb of ram minimum recommendation which was hard to come by in what amounts to laptop components... and then I don't think micro-Form factor ATX was even available in 2008/2009.

So no, you are both thinking 2016 technology to imagine 2009 equipment... and it's likely older than even that since this was Bill Clinton's private email server before she started using it.

It's not advisable to run Exchange 2007 even on today's micro scale technology, let alone pre-2009 equipment.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
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...what was wrong with what he said? He was 100% right. A server is/can be nothing more than a personal PC. I have two of them in my home right now (1 for backups and testing website things and another for Plex).
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Correct. A regular PC can function as a small scale server in a basement, just as long as it's not put under too large a load.

From what the investigation has gathered, the greater part of Hillary's staff had their own email accounts on this server, so around 100 accounts isn't too far off the mark I think, and this server was tasked / expected with being up and running 24x7, so it needed to be made of sterner, read server class, hardware to reasonably accomplish that. Things you don't find in a PC based server such as hot swappable memory, PCI cards, and hard disks, redundant power supplies, redundant CPUs, etc. etc. Server class hardware components.

The picture of the client computing device wasn't that, not by a mile and then some.

The picture of the mid-range server I posted would be up to that task and those standards. The large scale computing frame also posted, yeah, that's one that's supporting thousands of users at the same time, and very likely not what Hillary had in her basement.

Slyfox696 said:
I don't think Clinton's e-mail server was something that small, but I doubt it was anything like the next picture:

I agree that State Department may look closer to that, but Clinton's server most likely was NOTHING like that.
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Re: Powell email clears Hillary

American said:
I have to have the emails, Einstein.
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So drop the claim that they were marked...Einstein. Especially seeing as no authority says they were marked when she sent them.
 
Re: Powell email clears Hillary

jmotivator said:
We are talking about a server set up 7 years ago running Exchange 2007. Exchange 2007 was only supported on 64bit processors which, at the time was limited to Xeon and AMD64, neither would fit in that computer, and whose heat output would likely melt it since the recommended minimum was 4 cores, meaning at the time 2 processors. That system also houses one 2.5" disk which didn't hold much and Server 2003 and Exchange would eat them alive. Then we come to the 8gb of ram minimum recommendation which was hard to come by in what amounts to laptop components... and then I don't think micro-Form factor ATX was even available in 2008/2009.

So no, you are both thinking 2016 technology to imagine 2009 equipment.

It's not advisable to run Exchange 2007 even on today's micro scale technology.
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No one said Clinton's e-mail was stored on a small device like that. In fact, I even specifically said the opposite. Did you not understand the point robertblake60 was making?

The point was that creating an e-mail server is not that big of a deal and that whether one used a private e-mail on AOL or on a home server doesn't really make much realistic difference. And robertblake was correct on that point, not stupid.
 
Re: Powell email clears Hillary

ludin said:
never really heard of email servers having feeds. that is more for newsgroups.
email servers are a many to many connections.

it does have an incoming and outgoing protocol that operate on a port but that is about it.
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Yeah. What is 'feeds' in this context?

Another piece of the server sizing picture is how large the Internet pipe is had to keep up with. Anyone know the Mb/sec of the line Hillary had installed? Was to 50 Mbit/sec or 100 Mbit/sec or more?
 
Re: Powell email clears Hillary

jet57 said:
What bothers me about this however, is that Powell clearly stated that he had no recollection of saying anything to Clinton about personal vs state information...
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The question we should all be asking now: Is Colin Powell deathly ill? Only a such an illness could explain forgetting things that happened 7 years ago.
 
Re: Powell email clears Hillary

jet57 said:
So an email has been released that was sent from Colin Powell to Hillary Clinton about private communications that seems to clear her.

I think that having her own server was a better choice than just a personal computer.

House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing Advice He Gave Her - NBC News

Thoughts?
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Powell breaking the law in no way shape or form absolves Hillary of doing the same.

Powell advising Hillary on how to avoid the law and FOIA and Hillary following through does not in anyway absolve Hillary of doing just that.

What this does prove is that Hillary intentionally tried to avoid the law if she acted on any of the advice. Which she clearly did by setting up her own personal email server.

Something else I find funny about this. She can't remember "getting briefed" on how to handle classified information but she remembers Powell instructing her on how to avoid the law and FOIA law. I believe that is called "selective memory disorder" which incidentally can be found in those with narcissistic personality disorder.
 
Re: Powell email clears Hillary

Slyfox696 said:
No one said Clinton's e-mail was stored on a small device like that. In fact, I even specifically said the opposite. Did you not understand the point robertblake60 was making?

The point was that creating an e-mail server is not that big of a deal and that whether one used a private e-mail on AOL or on a home server doesn't really make much realistic difference. And robertblake was correct on that point, not stupid.
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I know YOU did, but the person you were defending was insinuating that Clinton's email server could be stored on a server that size which was a stupid thing to say. YOU then said that what they said was 100% accurate which it wasn't.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Correct. A regular PC can function as a small scale server in a basement, just as long as it's not put under too large a load.

From what the investigation has gathered, the greater part of Hillary's staff had their own email accounts on this server, so around 100 accounts isn't too far off the mark I think, and this server was tasked / expected with being up and running 24x7, so it needed to be made of sterner, read server class, hardware to reasonably accomplish that.
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Not really.

Things you don't find in a PC based server such as hot swappable memory, PCI cards, and hard disks, redundant power supplies, redundant CPUs, etc. etc. Server class hardware components.
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Even if we accept all of that (which is far from a given), you're only talking about a couple thousand dollars. Small potatoes and hardly worthy of a distinction from a home PC or a personal e-mail account.

We run our e-mail server of 100-125 e-mail users on a virtualized server with 3 GB of RAM and 100 GB of hard drive space. We've had the server running on hardware over 5 years old. The e-mail server also works in a replica ring in our directory services.

An e-mail only server just doesn't have to be that beefy.

The picture of the client computing device wasn't that, not by a mile and then some.
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As I pointed out to jmotivator, that wasn't the point. The point was that it was suggested that building an e-mail server was some great task. It really isn't.

The picture of the mid-range server I posted would be up to that task and those standards.
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I didn't see your picture, but I believe you. But I'm going to disagree with you when you say the PC I bought in 2009 (it had Vista on it, because Windows 7 wasn't out yet) for $850 couldn't run an e-mail server. 8 GB of RAM, 1 TB had drive and a quad core processor (mine was AMD Athlon something) plugged into a decent battery backup would handle an e-mail server fine (though only 1 hard drive would obviously not be ideal).
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I know YOU did, but the person you were defending was insinuating that Clinton's email server could be stored on a server that size which was a stupid thing to say. YOU then said that what they said was 100% accurate which it wasn't.
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Well, I probably shouldn't speak for robertblake, but that was not insinuation I got. The insinuation I got was one which mocked the idea that building an e-mail server is somehow relevant in this discussion of personal e-mail (AOL vs home server).

The impression I had was robertblake took issue with suggestive phrasing. The line "vs. Hillary built an entire server dedicated to this" suggests the task was something of a great feat.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
The impression I had was robertblake took issue with suggestive phrasing. The line "vs. Hillary built an entire server dedicated to this" suggests the task was something of a great feat.
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That's the exact issue I had. Setting up a server sounds like a huge deal to the 60 year olds watching the nightly news, but to anyone who's even a basic techy, it's laughably simple.
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

jet57 said:
Thoughts?
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It doesn't clear her, but it does provide further support for the already documented fact that the last 5 SoS's did similar things as she is alleged to have done with "confidential" information. That makes them all rather careless.

Rather than clear her, in indicts those who condemn her but were for some reason completely silent (and remain so) about the other SoS's actions. But then, hypocrisy in political attacks has been all the rage for quite some time now.
 
Re: Powell email clears Hillary

eohrnberger said:
I guess you could if you were foolish enough to ignore nearly ALL of the differences between the two situations.

  • Powell used a single private email account vs. Hillary built an entire server dedicated to this
  • Powell didn't send classified information via this private email account vs. Hillary who did send classified information via this private email server
  • Powell used approved secure government email for classified information, vs. Hillary exclusively used her email server for everything
  • Powell's purpose of private emails was private conversations with others, while Hillary's private server was to avoid any oversight and FOIA requests
  • Powell was not in violation of National Archives and Records Administration guidelines and practices, Hillary most certainly was
Yeah. other than that, they are completely the same thing. :roll:

Seriously?
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And the technology and the protocols evolved too over time.
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

Mr Person said:
It doesn't clear her, but it does provide further support for the already documented fact that the last 5 SoS's did similar things as she is alleged to have done with "confidential" information. That makes them all rather careless.

Rather than clear her, in indicts those who condemn her but were for some reason completely silent (and remain so) about the other SoS's actions. But then, hypocrisy in political attacks has been all the rage for quite some time now.
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The email shows that previous Secretaries of State had to use unsecured channels to comunicate.

The state department is such a big government body, that constant communication has to maintained in order for state department officials to conduct daily business.
 
Re: Powell email clears Hillary

Cardinal said:
So drop the claim that they were marked...Einstein. Especially seeing as no authority says they were marked when she sent them.
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You don't know either, and it still doesn't absolve her from knowing that she was working with classified data. BTW, did you know that the government email systems require a classification marking to be put on all email?
 
Re: House Democrats Release Emails Between Colin Powell and Hillary Clinton Showing A

Unitedwestand13 said:
The email shows that previous Secretaries of State had to use unsecured channels to comunicate.
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For classified information?
 
Re: Powell email clears Hillary

American said:
Swing state voter here, anyone but Clinton. :lamo
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Na

Clinton is ahead in VA, Obama won it won it twice.
 
Re: Powell email clears Hillary

American said:
You don't know either, and it still doesn't absolve her from knowing that she was working with classified data. BTW, did you know that the government email systems require a classification marking to be put on all email?
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The FBI knows that they weren't marked. If you read anything I linked to you would have known that (at least since) this morning when I first posted that.
 
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