aberrant85
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/u...l=1&adxnnlx=1379520833-M0U+hZzlocDrMbeP5FlRag
House Bill Cuts Health Funds, Raising Odds of U.S. Shutdown
By JONATHAN WEISMAN and ASHLEY PARKER
Published: September 18, 2013
WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders — bowing to the demands of their conservative wing — will put to a vote on Friday a stopgap spending measure that would strip all funding from President Obama’s signature health care law, increasing the likelihood that the government will shut down in two weeks.
So what's going on here? Another defeat Obamacare vote? And will this shut down the government like in the 90's? If so, will it come back to bite the Republicans in the a**?
Why the urgency to defeat this "train wreck"? If that's what this is, why not let it fail and bring down its Democratic authors? Republicans have shown they can play politics with the welfare of the American people by threatening the full faith and credit of the country, so why not let the law destroy itself, then sweep in and take the credit for predicting it?
My question is, do Republicans fear that ACA will not be the disaster they predict, or even worse, a success, and are trying to sabotage it before they look bad for opposing it? Or is this just a stunt to appease their radical right wing? "Obamacare delenda est"?
No, I'd think any rational review of the Republicans objection to Obamacare would find the concern is not that it will be a success, but as the Obama Administration has proved through all it's waivers and wave offs, it will be the disaster that has been predicted.
That's not it at all. Even if it passes they KNOW Obama will veto it and they don't have a majority for it to pass after a veto. Thus forcing a shutdown. This is to try and score political points for the 2014 election nothing more. Not saying the Dems don't try to pull stuff like this off either, but that is what this is.
I think the reason Republicans are making a stand here is because they don't want it implemented in the first place. To implement it, let it fail, and then subsequently figure out something new would cost a ton of money and time, not to mention would really be a catastrophe for the average person and business. Republicans are also concerned that if implemented, assuming that repealing it or letting it fail would be too costly, there would be an obligation to "make it work", thereby solidifying it as "too big to fail". That would mean fixing the system concurrent with people using the system.http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/u...l=1&adxnnlx=1379520833-M0U+hZzlocDrMbeP5FlRag
House Bill Cuts Health Funds, Raising Odds of U.S. Shutdown
By JONATHAN WEISMAN and ASHLEY PARKER
Published: September 18, 2013
WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders — bowing to the demands of their conservative wing — will put to a vote on Friday a stopgap spending measure that would strip all funding from President Obama’s signature health care law, increasing the likelihood that the government will shut down in two weeks.
So what's going on here? Another defeat Obamacare vote? And will this shut down the government like in the 90's? If so, will it come back to bite the Republicans in the a**?
Why the urgency to defeat this "train wreck"? If that's what this is, why not let it fail and bring down its Democratic authors? Republicans have shown they can play politics with the welfare of the American people by threatening the full faith and credit of the country, so why not let the law destroy itself, then sweep in and take the credit for predicting it?
My question is, do Republicans fear that ACA will not be the disaster they predict, or even worse, a success, and are trying to sabotage it before they look bad for opposing it? Or is this just a stunt to appease their radical right wing? "Obamacare delenda est"?
In addition, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) laid out his party’s legislative grab bag of requests that will be attached to a bill that would lift the debt ceiling, including a delay of the health law, an overhaul of the tax code and approval of an energy pipeline running from Canada to the gulf coast.
IMO, the bigger risk entails possible attempts to use the debt ceiling increase for political purposes.
It's been used as a political purpose for the past 2 years now by both sides.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/19/u...l=1&adxnnlx=1379520833-M0U+hZzlocDrMbeP5FlRag
House Bill Cuts Health Funds, Raising Odds of U.S. Shutdown
By JONATHAN WEISMAN and ASHLEY PARKER
Published: September 18, 2013
WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders — bowing to the demands of their conservative wing — will put to a vote on Friday a stopgap spending measure that would strip all funding from President Obama’s signature health care law, increasing the likelihood that the government will shut down in two weeks.
So what's going on here? Another defeat Obamacare vote? And will this shut down the government like in the 90's? If so, will it come back to bite the Republicans in the a**?
Why the urgency to defeat this "train wreck"? If that's what this is, why not let it fail and bring down its Democratic authors? Republicans have shown they can play politics with the welfare of the American people by threatening the full faith and credit of the country, so why not let the law destroy itself, then sweep in and take the credit for predicting it?
My question is, do Republicans fear that ACA will not be the disaster they predict, or even worse, a success, and are trying to sabotage it before they look bad for opposing it? Or is this just a stunt to appease their radical right wing? "Obamacare delenda est"?
Tim Huelskamp Explains Why 42nd House Vote To Repeal Obamacare Will Be Better Than The Previous 41
WASHINGTON -- House Republicans have now voted 41 times to repeal Obamacare, knowing each time that those bills would go nowhere in the Senate and never get the green light from President Barack Obama.
But Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kansas) is amped up about attempt number 42. He and other Tea Party lawmakers in the House are pushing GOP leaders to tie a vote to defund the Affordable Care Act to a must-pass, temporary spending bill aimed at keeping the government funded past Oct. 1, when current funding runs out. The effort has been a serious headache for GOP leaders, who want to appease their Tea Party flank but don't want to risk a government shutdown.
Huelskamp was excited this week as he talked to reporters about the latest strategy for killing Obamacare.
"None of the other votes were on must-pass bills. They were on individual bills," he told The Huffington Post, comparing the House's past attempts to sink Obamacare to baseball. "We've had 42 different swings at the bat. Forty-two different exhibition games. But we've never actually had a regular season."
Perhaps this vote will be different from the previous 41 votes to repeal "Obamacare."
But my bet is that it's just more partisan political grandstanding that will accomplish nothing, not even bringing Congress' approval rating lower.
How much lower than zero can you go?
Oh, gee, the federal government shuts down for a few weeks or months.
What will we ever do?
LOL
The 90's don't seem to ring a bell do they?
Goodness, maybe we should have a shut down. Apparently Republicans forgot that they were blamed for the last one and that it was incredibly unpopular.
Is this when the social security payment threats begin from the Dems.......for the 108th time?
This ain't the 90s, and Congress has never had a poorer reputation in my lifetime. I think many would WELCOME a shutdown. In fact, they'd prefer a permanent vacation and a start-over.
So you think the public is going to look at this like: We don't like this ineffective Congress because they are ineffective. Ineffective Congress could use a shutdown to make them even more ineffective. I would also like the American economy to loose billions of dollars in revenue.
Yeah, makes a lot of sense.
Is this when the social security payment threats begin from the Dems.......for the 108th time?
This ain't the 90s, and Congress has never had a poorer reputation in my lifetime. I think many would WELCOME a shutdown. In fact, they'd prefer a permanent vacation and a start-over.
What's this temporary bull****? Can we please shut down the federal government permanently? They really aren't any good for anything.
Anarchy?
I'm curious: who remembers the last government shutdown? I was too busy playing with LEGO to care. Was it awful, or was it no big deal? And with the economy today, would it be worse now?
I like that... "intellectual gerrymandering." :thumbs:It's actually a brilliant move. It's a good way to make a public statement about who you should vote for if you want a shot in hell of repealing Obamacare in the future.
Think of it like intellectual gerrymandering.
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