Again, these statistics are useless unless they're controlled for other factors such as wealth, race, population, national factors, etc.
The homicide rate between 1991 and 2006 dropped by around 80% in NYC, and we didn't allow concealed carry. Does that mean that banning guns works? No.
Number Of Protective Uses Of Firearms In U.S: Projected at a minimum of 2.5 million cases annually, equal to 1% of total U.S. population each year. Criminal assailants are killed by their victims or others in only about 0.1%, and wounded in only about 1.0% of incidents as described above. Most such crimes are prevented by mere presence of a firearm in the hands of an intended victim.(Dr. Gary Kleck, PhD, Florida State University, Targeting Guns, 1998)
National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS).
Data from the NCVS imply that each year there are only about 68,000 defensive uses of guns in connection with assaults and robberies, [16] or about 80,000 to 82,000 if one adds in uses linked with household burglaries. [17] These figures are less than one ninth of the estimates implied by the results of at least thirteen other surveys, summarized in Table 1, most of which have been previously reported. [18] The NCVS estimates imply that about 0.09 of 1% of U.S. households experience a defensive gun use (DGU) in any one year, compared to the Mauser survey's estimate of 3.79% of households over a five year period, or about 0.76% in any one year, assuming an even distribution over the five year period, and no repeat uses. [19]
The strongest evidence that a measurement is inaccurate is that it is inconsistent with many other independent measurements or observations of the same phenomenon; indeed, some would argue that this is ultimately the only way of knowing that a measurement is wrong. Therefore, one might suppose that the gross inconsistency of the NCVS-based estimates with all other known estimates, each derived from sources with no known flaws even remotely substantial enough to account for nine-to-one, or more, discrepancies, would be sufficient to persuade any serious scholar that the NCVS estimates are unreliable.
...The NCVS was not designed to estimate how often people resist crime using a gun. It was designed primarily to estimate national victimization levels; it incidentally happens to include a few self-protection questions which include response categories covering resistance with a gun.
The most technically sound estimates presented in Table 2 are those based on the shorter one-year recall period that rely on Rs' first-hand accounts of their own experiences (person-based estimates). These estimates appear in the first two columns. They indicate that each year in the U.S. there are about 2.2 to 2.5 million DGUs of all types by civilians against humans, with about 1.5 to 1.9 million of the incidents involving use of handguns.
North Carolina reports only 0.2% of their 263,102 holders had their license revoked in the 10 years since they have adopted the law.[61]
Permit holders are a remarkably law-abiding subclass of the population. Florida, which has issued over 1,408,907 permits in twenty one years, has revoked only 166 for a "crime after licensure involving a firearm," and fewer than 4,500 permits for any reason.[62]
Lott examines the effects of shall issue laws on violent crime across the United States.
His conclusion is that shall issue laws, which allow citizens to carry concealed weapons, steadily decrease violent crime. He explains that this result makes sense because criminals are deterred by the risk of attacking an armed victim. As more citizens arm themselves, the danger to criminals increases.
Firearms as Used in Crime
Annual Criminal Abuse of Firearms Nationally: Less than 0.2% of all firearms, and less than 0.4% of all handguns. More than 99.8% of all guns, and 99.6% of all handguns are NOT used in criminal activity in any given year.(BATF, FBI)
Crime in the United States
Chance of Any Single Individual Being a Victim of Violent Crime In Their Lifetime: Currently about 65 to 70%, depending on age, profession, lifestyle, geographic and demographic factors.(US DoJ, FBI UCR)
Firearms Accidents and Firearms Safety Education
Fatal Firearms Accidents for All Ages Annually: 1,134 nationwide in 1996. Rate of 0.4 per 100M population. Represents a roughly 90% decrease from record high in 1904. Accident rate is down by 65% since 1930, while U.S. population has doubled and number of privately-owned firearms has quadrupled. Compare to other types of fatal accidents, for all ages: Motor Vehicles 16.7/100M, Falls 4.8/100M, Poisoning 4.0/100M, Drowning 1.7/100M, Fires 1.6/100M, Choking 1.1/100M.(National Safety Council, National Center for Health Statistics, BATF, US Census)
Fatal Firearms Accidents for Children 14 and Under Annually: 138 nationwide in 1996. About 3% of all fatal accidents under age 14. Represents a 75% decrease from record high of 550 in 1975. Compared to other types of fatal accidents for children: Motor Vehicles 44%, Fires 16%, Drowning 14%, Choking 4.5%.(Nat'l Safety Council, Nat'l Center for Health Statistics)
Nationally convictions for 'attempt to purchase' by disqualified individuals under Brady now total 7 since early 1994. There are now in excess of 20,000 federal, state and local gun laws on the books, yet few if any have proven clearly effective in reducing violence or a criminal's access to firearms. Some 93% of firearms used in crime are reported as stolen or come from some other uncontrollable source.(DPS/BCI, US DoJ, BATF)
What happened to the crime rate in states that did not pass concealed carry laws?
I have been to Israel, and I am sure you are right. Do not take this wrong, but I hope we never end up like Israel though.
I do.
I long for the day when douchebag 18 year old punks (as I once was) are forced to join the military for a minimum of 2 years and learn some god damned discipline.
I think an armed, trained, and permitted friend is much more trustworthy than a platoon of Cops.
Are you sure you used the right word?
How about dependable in an emergency?
do you have a link for these statistics? i am showing statistics, links, etc. everyone else seems to be throwing speculation and (not you) hysterics.
So here is another scenario for you, the campus allows guns and a criminal goes on a shootting spree. A student fires at the criminal, but hits and kills an innocent person. Both the criminal and innocent person die.
Is the campus held responsible for allowing guns? Is the student that fired at the criminal? I would be willing to bet in a heartbeat that the family of the innocent person would sue and win.
One innocent person dies as opposed to the 30 that would have been slaughtered by the criminal?
This guy killed 1.
I expect he was referring to the previous V-tech massacre.
Hard to keep track, I know. Those no-gun policies really work wonders don't they?
Yeah, the death rate on college campuses is just off the chart. Must be, maybe 1 or 2 a year, maybe less. Most recent stats I find is 2004(from a 2008 report), that year there was a total of zero murders on campus.
This whole idea that college campuses are somehow unsafe is just false.
Source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cle0405.pdf
Compared to how many from last year?
32 was the number at VT.. combine that with others.
Seems like the No Gun policies are working wonders.
In 1990, there were 2,245 homicides and a population of 7,322,564, for a homicide rate of 30.65 per 100,000.
In 2007, there were 497 homicides and a population of approx 8,300,000, for a homicide rate of 5.98 per 100,000.
That's an 80.5% drop in a 17 year period.
Numbers calculated via calculator, teh googel and wikipedia.
For confirmation, see: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/nyregion/01murder.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=murder+in+2007&oref=slogin
can you compare the reduction of crime due to Guliani's approach to crime, compared to other cities, that are less restrictive on guns?
Yeah, the death rate on college campuses is just off the chart. Must be, maybe 1 or 2 a year, maybe less. Most recent stats I find is 2004(from a 2008 report), that year there was a total of zero murders on campus.
This whole idea that college campuses are somehow unsafe is just false.
Source: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cle0405.pdf
blah. Even i'm getting tired of this thread. Same old crap, round and round.
Is not, is too.
Is not, is too.
Is not, is too.
Guns bad. Guns good. Guns bad. Guns good.
Whatever. I'm working with my state grassroots organization to change the carry laws in my state, removing many of the restrictions including those against permit-holders carrying in schools. We almost got it last year, we'll keep trying until we get it passed. Then we'll have something real to talk about, about how this presumed rash of accidental shootings at colleges in sc didn't happen, just like the initial "wild west scenario" hysteria over shall-issue permits didn't happen.
Where's tucker case when you need him? He'd say something different.
Good nite all.
G.
guns are good!
Blah. Even I'm getting tired of this thread. Same old crap, round and round.
Is not, is too.
Is not, is too.
Is not, is too.
Guns bad. Guns good. Guns bad. Guns good.
Whatever. I'm working with my state grassroots organization to change the carry laws in my state, removing many of the restrictions including those against permit-holders carrying in schools. We almost got it last year, we'll keep trying until we get it passed. Then we'll have something real to talk about, about how this presumed rash of accidental shootings at colleges in SC didn't happen, just like the initial "wild west scenario" hysteria over shall-issue permits didn't happen.
Where's Tucker Case when you need him? He'd say something different.
Good nite all.
G.
You are absolutley right, the "fear" argument is used on both sides... however...
Question. if you are that one, what do statistics matter?
Statistice I have produced have clearly showed that more guns to not equal more death. so, personally if something made you safer... then..... what do you do?
I went to UNM part time when I was in the service. I carried a "derringer" in my front pocket cause the bike ride from central to the wyoming gate was more than interesting.....
there was a shooting by a madman one night, half hour after I left.
You never know.
I vote bad.
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