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Well, that's a different statement than staring at cheerleaders hoping to get a peek at a wedgie. :lol:
Seriously...if we are going to take "sexuality" completely out of schools....then we need to ban cheerleading/cheer squads or completely alter their uniforms and dance styles.
We'll also have to get rid of the school nurses. Some people might have a medical fetish!
New Rules for High School Teachers (according to some on this site):
You cannot take students:
(1) To a restaurant that serves any kind of alcohol. (No Hooters, No Chili's, No Sizzlers, No Shakeys)
(2) You cannot take children anywhere where they might see a female in short shorts or bikini tops ( No Beaches, No Public Swimming pools...etc)
While I personally doubt I would have a problem with a kid of mine being taken there(and any chance of that would have more to do with alcohol being served)...
I don't see why alcohol would be an issue. They're not going to sell it to them are they?
A teacher who takes kids to a place that is going to be controversial(and this thread proves that it is controversial)
IYou cannot micromanage the school....and you shouldn't overly micromanage a high school student.
I would say just the opposite. The overwhelming majority don't see it as a "controversy" at all. Only a select few that don't have much of an argument to base their "selective outrage" on...other than saying "its a parent's right". To which I would say that you are absolutely correct, it is your right to decide whether to send your kid on the trip or not. It is not your right to dictate to the school every single detail of the trip and to dictate to others on the trip what you believe is appropriate or inappropriate.
As long as the school is following age appropriate bounds, then you as a parent have delegated that authority by allowing your child to attend the trip.
This is the point you have still failed to comprehend. it's not parental ability to veto trips, it's parental right to not send their child. It's a real right, and belief in this right is not a conservative position.
When I was in school, there was an annual trip to Chicago. Museum of Science and Industry + Shed's Aquarium(which is awesome beyond words), plus a couple other places that changed every year. Every year a permission slip was sent home for kids who wanted to go, with a list of the stops for the year, including where we would eat. This was not hard to do, and we are talking a significant all day trip(5 am leave time, return after midnight). If a parent had an issue with any of the stops, they could simply not agree to let the kid go. See how easy this is. No one is saying that I have seen that the trip was inappropriate in itself, only that parents should have been able to make the choice whether to send their children on the trip. This is the point you have still failed to comprehend. it's not parental ability to veto trips, it's parental right to not send their child. It's a real right, and belief in this right is not a conservative position. And you have yet to address this, instead making things up, and blowing things out of proportion, just like you claim this parent did.
I understand what you are saying, but I still believe that it is completely ridiculous for a school to list every restaurant they are going to.
Maybe if these were elementary school children...but at 16-17 years old, you have to give your kids a little leeway and a little respect.
I am not saying that schools should be allowed to take kids to XXX venues or promote drinking, but all-age establishments are certainly appropriate for all ages and therefore for the schools.
If the child doesn't want to go to the establishment because it offends their morals, there are options available, less drastic than requiring them to miss the trip.
I remember in Jr. High that a parent objected because our choir was singing a song from "Jesus Christ Superstar". They were going to cut the number out of the program due to this ONE parents objection, until all the other parents objected to the cutting.
The solution was simple. The kid didn't have to sing the song....and the parents were free to walk out of the auditorium.
The bottom line is - when you release a child to a trip, especially a high school age kid, you have to give them a least a little freedom and respect to make their own decisions. You cannot continue to shelter and micromange them until the day they turn 18.
My daughter went on trips to Guatemala, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. They each included detailed itineraries, including where the kids would be eating (breakfast lunch and dinner) each day. This was for trips out of the country. The trip in question is to the same city. The venue of destination, btw, has an indoor food court, which would have had many food options for kids to choose from, according to comments attached to a local story (saw it earlier today, but I don't have a link right now).
It is just silly for a teacher to say it's too hard to let parents know where he or she is taking kids on a field trip. That's a really incompetent teacher, if that is actually the case.
Its not a matter of how hard or how easy it is. It is more of a question of What is required. Your experience is different than mine. I went on many trips that included a general itinerary, but didn't include every stop that we made or every restaurant we ate at. I think in a foreign country it might be more common to include that, because you are going on a tour and even for adults those types of things are common.
If you are going on a day trip, the most common thing that I saw growing up was a notice on the permisison slip that we would be away for the day and the child should either bring money for lunch or pack a lunch.
Schools shouldn't have to try to accommodate every parent/child's sensibilities. As long as the establishment is open to all ages...it is all age appropriate and the school shouldn't have to justify its decisions.
The parent has to have enough respect and know their child well enough to make the decision that is appropriate for them. THAT opportunity was afforded to the offended child here. At high school age, they have to be able to make SOME decisions on their own. Parents cannot make every decision for them.
In your opinion, it is appropriate. It is not your right to decide that for other families. And neither is it the teacher's.
High schoolers make plenty of decisions on their own. Parents make decisions about schooling, and school sponsored trips are schooling, and require parental permission.
I'm not saying that it is....but it is ALSO not your right to dictate what is appropriate or not for anyone else.
Schools should not have to be so overly hypervigilant to protect against offending every sensibility or whim of an overprotective parent.
Its simple...if you want to shelter your child, don't allow them to participate in any activities....put them in a private school that meets your sensibilities...or better yet, homeschool them and prevent any influence at all that might offend you from encountering them.
BTW....obviously every other parent had no issue with it. Why is it OK with you to allow this one parent to dictate what is appropriate for their children?
Who the hell is dictating for other children? The parent was upset because they could not dictate for their own child. The teacher was suspended for being a dumbass. No one is dictating what students can do with parental permission. if the parent does not give permission for their child, only that child is affected.
Schools should be super vigilant to the needs and morals of the parents of the children attending. it's part of their damn job.
No. The teacher was suspended because some over-protective parent got their panties in a tissy because their son didn't exercise his free-will and option to choose a restaurant that his parents would have approved of.[
Not dictating? Please...these parents complained because they want to make sure that their view of what is appropriate is put on every other parent and their children.
Maybe these parents should spend more time educating their son and teaching him how to respond when their sensibilities are offended rather than requiring the school to be a babysitter on their behalf and follow their standards of appropriateness. Just sayin.
I'm not telling anyone how to raise their child. All I am saying is that it is not the school's responsibility to try to accomodate every sensibility and whim that a parent has.
As a parent, you do your best to raise your children the way that you believe is appropriate and hopefully you instill some values in them as well.
At some point, you have to trust you child to make decisions for themselves. If they disappoint you in their decision making, then you should direct that towards them and teach them...not direct it towards the school.
Again...there was nothing "offensive" about the choice of restaurant as evidenced by the fact that no other parent complained...and as evidenced by the overwhelming majority of responses here on this poll.
Parents need to understand that it is their responsiblity not the school's to babysit their children. If you want to protect your child from making a decision that you disagree with, the option is simple.....keep them at home.
You offered child rearing advice...
You offered child rearing advice, yes you did. You suggest that schools should not have to notify parents about trips, which is taking away from a parent their right to determine what is right for their child.
It is the schools responsibility to give parents enough information to make an informed decision about their own child. It is not the job of the school to assume they know best.
Again, whether Hooters is offensive is in the eye of the beholder. It's not your place to make moral judgments for others. Just because you are not offended does not mean others will not be. Don't make blanket statements like that, it's a weak argument. This thread, and the replies in it are proof that not every one agrees with you that hooters is not offensive. How would you react if some one made a moral judgment for you?
Absolutely. Schools should not have to include every single minute detail regarding every decision they make.
It is the parents responsibility to parent their own child, not to push off that responsibility on the school. If you teach your child well, they will respond to what you would expect them to.
In this case, the child obviously either was not parented well or went against what his parents taught him. No one forced him to go to Hooters to have his parent's sensibilities offended. In fact, he was given other options and chose to go.
I am not the one trying to place moral judgement on anything. The people that are doing that are the ones that find Hooters offensive to them and seek to impose that belief on others. If you find Hooters offensive...then simple....don't go. If you find Hooters inappropriate for your child, then teach them appropriately, don't expect the school to be your policing agency.
I make moral judgements for no one other than myself and expect others to have that same respect for me. I find it offensive that one parent is seeking to have their views of what is appropriate applied to all.
The school/teacher made a decision that was within their bounds. This was an all-age establishment and thus....appropriate for all ages. The fact that one parent found that it offended their sensibilities....oh well......then teach your child to honor your standards or keep them home and sheltered so that you can ensure that they do.
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