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Homosexuls Piggy-Backing Civil Rights Movement

Is it OK for Homosexuls to Piggy-Back the Civil Rights Movement

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 61.9%
  • No

    Votes: 8 38.1%

  • Total voters
    21
I would love to see a poll of how African Americans,especially those in the bible belt feel about comparing their fight for civil rights to that of gays....I think the left would be very surprised by the results.........


Actually....I think YOU would be very surprized. Like I said, about 98% of Black Americans vote Democratic. They do so, in spite of their strong religious beliefs. How do you explain that? I believe it is because they can seperate Church/State...which many people in this Country cannot.
I would guess that if asked....Do you believe Homosexuality to be a sin? or Do you believe homosexuality is acceptable? A large number would say yes to the first and no to the second. However, Black people are not stupid. They recognize that there are people out there that try to manipulate their religious beliefs by calls such as yours to be "insulted". They reject that...and continue to support the Democratic platform.
 
What is gay?

Do we change the entire world, because some man wants to have sex with a man, or some woman with another, I just don't get it? Why would the world change for a group that is confused, and do not understand how biology works, if it's not good for all, it should not be held up as normal, or acceptable! Sure, have sex with who ever, or whatever you want, but don't try to convince us all that it is normal or acceptable behavior! We should cherish life, not sex, and our laws should reflect that, I left Europe thinking America was different, but they are far worse! Sex is a natural instinct, some choose to seek it anywhere they can find it.......but it's not an institution, it's not a plan for life, nor should it be!

This is anarchy with our tools, nothing more!
 
Actually....I think YOU would be very surprized. Like I said, about 98% of Black Americans vote Democratic. They do so, in spite of their strong religious beliefs. How do you explain that? I believe it is because they can seperate Church/State...which many people in this Country cannot.
I would guess that if asked....Do you believe Homosexuality to be a sin? or Do you believe homosexuality is acceptable? A large number would say yes to the first and no to the second. However, Black people are not stupid. They recognize that there are people out there that try to manipulate their religious beliefs by calls such as yours to be "insulted". They reject that...and continue to support the Democratic platform.

To be accurate in the last election it was 89% and when they vote for democrats I don't think its to promote gay rights.......

I think you will start seeing most Black Americans moving away from voting democrat.......They are tired of the hollow lies and promises democrats make to get their vote and then ignore them.....

We shall see........
 
Blacks are one of the largest majorities in gay relations, and just look at where they are today, lost, forgotten, and irrelevant, what a noble jump from what they left in Africa!

I think blacks are more concerned with advancement, gay realtions have little do to with it, they just want to be normal! These gays are not something they are proud of, in fact, they wish it was not discussed, much like the mothers with no fathers, or the welfare they depend, it's really sad!
 
Blacks are one of the largest majorities in gay relations, and just look at where they are today, lost, forgotten, and irrelevant, what a noble jump from what they left in Africa!

I think blacks are more concerned with advancement, gay realtions have little do to with it, they just want to be normal! These gays are not something they are proud of, in fact, they wish it was not discussed, much like the mothers with no fathers, or the welfare they depend, it's really sad!

You are absolutely right. IT is very sad.
 
To be accurate in the last election it was 89% and when they vote for democrats I don't think its to promote gay rights.......

I think you will start seeing most Black Americans moving away from voting democrat.......They are tired of the hollow lies and promises democrats make to get their vote and then ignore them.....

We shall see........

I never said that Blacks vote democratic to promote gay rights....what I said was that Blacks understand that the Democratic platform most closely resembles their beliefs. A large number of Blacks are very religious, but its interesting to see that they can seperate their religious beliefs from their beliefs that government should not be in the business of discrimination. I know that you and the right-wing would love to court religious blacks into your camp by trying to use wedge issues to pry them away from the democratic party....however, here's a newsflash.....it isn't working.....it didn't work in the last elections....and I think you are being a bit idealistic to believe that Blacks are dumb enough to buy into your political ploy.
 
this is two-prong funny....first....the belief that any sexual orientation can lay claim to something as "theirs"....and secondly...it fails to recognize that a large proportion, if not the majority of people in the entertainment industry are .....gulp......gay.

Moronic as always. :applaud

Saying that America's programming has been invaded by gays is not claiming that heterosexuals own the industry or that there wasn't a significant amount of gays running that programming before it became invaded by gays.
 
In most things, I don't believe that there is a comparison between Gays and the Black struggle for civil rights. In my life, all the gays that I have been acquainted with had good jobs. and lived well. Some folks say they don't like Gays, and that is freedom of speech. I personally have never badmouthed Gays and I never well. I sometimes get upset with individual behavior, and this has nothing to do with race or sexual orientation.

I Get upset with Bush, and I don't think he is Gay.
 
McTojo
Martin Luther King Jr. was chosen as the principal leader of the Civil Rights Movement by white America because of his non-violence approach and his call to comformity messages

Let me get this straight...MLK was CHOSEN by the Whites? I am afraid that the rest of what you say just can't be addressed until this gets cleared up.

Can you show the Vote Count and the numbers by races of the Representatives that voted please. :rofl

When I see him speaking and leading, who is following him and listening to him? Who was putting him in jail? Who tried to kill him?

I won't assume that you are Japanese, but I know from History that you are wrong, but more importantly, I would love to hear from any African Americans, even young ones from today, and hear what they have to say.
 
McTojo
So, you see, you got it all wrong. MLK hurt the Civil Rights Movement.

OK...so I read some more. Your assertions are completely off base and your logic is supremely flawed. I am not sure where you learned this stuff, but I pray that you were force fed this crap from your elders and that you did not "Figure this out" on your own. I am not going to bother addressing anything more until I see if you are just a Troll, a moron, or genuine in learning and sharing together in knowledge.
 
Let me get this straight...MLK was CHOSEN by the Whites? I am afraid that the rest of what you say just can't be addressed until this gets cleared up.

Can you show the Vote Count and the numbers by races of the Representatives that voted please. :rofl

When I see him speaking and leading, who is following him and listening to him? Who was putting him in jail? Who tried to kill him?

I won't assume that you are Japanese, but I know from History that you are wrong, but more importantly, I would love to hear from any African Americans, even young ones from today, and hear what they have to say.

His logic is flawed. There, you heard it from a 20 year old black guy. He's probably one of those black people(I think he's black) that thinks that it was white people who killed Malcom X.
 
Let me get this straight...MLK was CHOSEN by the Whites? I am afraid that the rest of what you say just can't be addressed until this gets cleared up.

Can you show the Vote Count and the numbers by races of the Representatives that voted please. :rofl

When I see him speaking and leading, who is following him and listening to him? Who was putting him in jail? Who tried to kill him?

I won't assume that you are Japanese, but I know from History that you are wrong, but more importantly, I would love to hear from any African Americans, even young ones from today, and hear what they have to say.

Yes, MLk is honoured and remembered by whites, as well as blacks as the principal leader of the Civil Rights Movement, however, he was chosen and supported by "whites" who believed in what he stood for and because he believed in non-violence. He was shot and killed by a white man because people started listing to him. Former president Kennedy, Steven Curry, Belfonte, just to name a few, who admired him and believed in his point of view. But when we asserted Pan-Africanism or Black Nationalism and independents then those message were regarded as dangerous and so people like Mr. X were shunned and considered violent when he never advocated violence to begin with ( of course self-defense is another thing).

Black Americans supported MLK because he was black and because his message was good in principle, however, blacks were not the chief benefactors in the end. Today, blacks are still at the bottom of the wrung in terms of jobs and education. Many are incarcerated, very few blacks - especially black males-seldom graduate college, 70 to 80% of our children are fatherless, there is a huge gap between rich blacks and poor blacks; very small middle class.

MLK's dream has already been realized, it's just we haven't benefitted much from it. (" I guess of a little white girl and a little black boy can play in the same sand box together then everything is okay").
 
His logic is flawed. There, you heard it from a 20 year old black guy. He's probably one of those black people(I think he's black) that thinks that it was white people who killed Malcom X.

Thanks for the support black man. It's always good to know when your own sticks you in the back. Your logic is flawed just like the rest of the people on this board who put the cart before the horse.

There would be no MLK if it weren't for the sacrifices that were made by so many other blacks before him. MLK was chosen by "White America" to lead the Civil Rights Movement because he contained you and kept you subserviant mentally to your white oppressors. He preached inclusion when what he should've been preaching was reparations and and independence.

Where we are at today is a direct result of his teachings--passive, non-resistant, lazy, and most of all , stupid.
 
Yes, MLk is honoured and remembered by whites, as well as blacks as the principal leader of the Civil Rights Movement, however, he was chosen and supported by "whites" who believed in what he stood for and because he believed in non-violence. He was shot and killed by a white man because people started listing to him. Former president Kennedy, Steven Curry, Belfonte, just to name a few, who admired him and believed in his point of view. But when we asserted Pan-Africanism or Black Nationalism and independents then those message were regarded as dangerous and so people like Mr. X were shunned and considered violent when he never advocated violence to begin with ( of course self-defense is another thing).

Black Americans supported MLK because he was black and because his message was good in principle, however, blacks were not the chief benefactors in the end. Today, blacks are still at the bottom of the wrung in terms of jobs and education. Many are incarcerated, very few blacks - especially black males-seldom graduate college, 70 to 80% of our children are fatherless, there is a huge gap between rich blacks and poor blacks; very small middle class.

MLK's dream has already been realized, it's just we haven't benefitted much from it. (" I guess of a little white girl and a little black boy can play in the same sand box together then everything is okay").

You're black right? You and I are deff. going to butt heads on this one. I wont disagree with you that black people aren't exacly even with whites in this country. However in this day and age if you're 15 and you decide you'd rather be selling drugs then going to school. The fault is yours. Not that of white people. Black youth in this country are in some cases throwing away all the chances our grandparents didn't get or even our parents. If you'd rather play ball then become a doctor. Dont blame white people when you brake your leg and ruin your chances to play again.

Why is it people feel the need to blame somebody whenever they go to jail? If you get caught with coke on you. You're not going to jail cause you're black/white/hispanic. You're going to jail because you had drugs on you. It's against the law. Bitch about it all you want but you're still in the wrong.

You mentioned that 70%-80%(it's actually 71%) of all black kids are fatherless. How is that white peoples fault? Considering for a minute that 50% of America is currently divorcing how the hell is it their fault that some black men dont have enough courage to father the babies they make? If you dont like kids. Dont have sex without condoms. Easy as that. Bill Cosby said it. If you screw up. It aint somebody else's fault. It's yours. You screwed up. Not them.
 
Thanks for the support black man. It's always good to know when your own sticks you in the back. Your logic is flawed just like the rest of the people on this board who put the cart before the horse.

Call me Brutus. Et tu?

There would be no MLK if it weren't for the sacrifices that were made by so many other blacks before him.

And none of the messages these people preached would be relevant if it wasn't for whites and blacks alike.

MLK was chosen by "White America" to lead the Civil Rights Movement because he contained you and kept you subserviant mentally to your white oppressors. He preached inclusion when what he should've been preaching was reparations and and independence.

Oh boy. I'm really not going to like you now. My white oppressor? The only oppressors I know of as a black man are ignorance, lazyness and whining. Ignorance in the sense that dumb n***az take pride in not knowing their history and lazyness in the sense that black youth today is in the most part throwing away all the chances our fathers and grandfathers weren't given to play basketball. Whining because there are black people like you who feel like they deserve to be treated like they've done something with their lives when all you've done is sit down and complain about the white man. Not even the goverment. The white man.

How is it the white mans fault that some black kids today are more willing to throw a basketball then pick up a book?

How is their fault that as a community we can't block out past wrongs for a second and put a little more focus on what we need to do to suceed? I was born in Compton California. I was a rolling 60s crip. I got caught with 45 grams of crack on me and was going to go to jail for 2 years. I did 4 months and got out on good behaviour. I went back to school. Finished my studies. This was lucky and unlucky at the same time.

Lucky in the sense that I saw two very different types of black man. The types that reads about the wrongs commited against his people and uses that as a driving force to suceed. And the type who reads about the same wrongs and starts blaming the white man for all his screw ups.

Unlucky in the sense that I now have a record I have to live with because of all the stupid **** I did as a kid. The white man didn't make me sell drugs. I did that. The white man didn't tell me to join a gang. I did that on my own. So what exacly are you complaining about? Sure it's ok to be angry about what happened but if you spend all your time worrying about what happened in the past and dont focus on the future you'll find yourself without a future to look at after a while.

Where we are at today is a direct result of his teachings--passive, non-resistant, lazy, and most of all , stupid.

I've heard some stupid **** from ignorant black people but you seem intelligent so I'll forgive you.
 
You're black right? You and I are deff. going to butt heads on this one. I wont disagree with you that black people aren't exacly even with whites in this country. However in this day and age if you're 15 and you decide you'd rather be selling drugs then going to school. The fault is yours. Not that of white people. Black youth in this country are in some cases throwing away all the chances our grandparents didn't get or even our parents. If you'd rather play ball then become a doctor. Dont blame white people when you brake your leg and ruin your chances to play again.

Why is it people feel the need to blame somebody whenever they go to jail? If you get caught with coke on you. You're not going to jail cause you're black/white/hispanic. You're going to jail because you had drugs on you. It's against the law. Bitch about it all you want but you're still in the wrong.

You mentioned that 70%-80%(it's actually 71%) of all black kids are fatherless. How is that white peoples fault? Considering for a minute that 50% of America is currently divorcing how the hell is it their fault that some black men dont have enough courage to father the babies they make? If you dont like kids. Dont have sex without condoms. Easy as that. Bill Cosby said it. If you screw up. It aint somebody else's fault. It's yours. You screwed up. Not them.

There is a correlation between the Civil Rights Movement and present day black society, you're just not seeing it. Many of these issues are systemic from years of oppression and other socio-economic reasons. If a kid sells drugs, it's usually for money, why ? Because black rappers demonize our women on MTV making them out to be loose whores who like guys with fast cars and lots of money. These black rappers get record labels through rich white music companies to promote their filth on T.V. Young blacks see this on T.V. and want to emulate this. Those actions and behaviour didn't come from their parents, but from a society who craves sex and violence. White youth love this kind of music too !

71% of black homes are fatherless. That could have something to do with jobs and lack of education which could stem from years of being told you couldn't do something. I don't know.

When you exonerate white people, you wipe their slate clean of past wrong doings. It was their policies through Jim Crow that oppressed and humiliated generations of blacks, and we are still feeling the bitter sting of racism to this very day. When blacks starting getting their first taste of real prosperity around the 70's i.e. full time, jobs, cars...(it wasn't until the 80's when home ownership really kicked in for blacks especially single mothers) we got in hurry to compete and forgot all about the Struggle. We wanted to be like our white oppressors.

Then Reagan became president and Reagenomics kicked in which did severe damage to Blacks especially:

Reagan's administration had a powerful impact on civil rights initiatives. Reagan believed many of the social programs and anti-discrimination laws passed in the 1960s and 1970s to improve conditions for minorities actually worked to increase ethnic and racial divisions in the United States. For the first time since the 1960s, the federal government stopped actively promoting programs designed to promote social and economic advancement for minority groups. See Civil Rights and Civil Liberties.

Reagan was particularly opposed to programs such as affirmative action, which favored minorities in jobs, education, and the awarding of government contracts. While proponents of the program thought affirmative action was necessary to counteract the effects of years of discrimination, conservatives felt affirmative action amounted to reverse discrimination by granting minority groups special privileges that were denied to the majority of Americans.

In 1981 the government announced that it would no longer require contractors doing business with the federal government to comply with affirmative action programs. During the Reagan administration, the U.S. Justice Department supported a number of legal challenges to affirmative action laws. The debate begun during the Reagan years over the effectiveness of affirmative action continued to generate controversy throughout the 1990s.

Under Reagan the Justice Department also cut back its efforts to enforce job discrimination and fair housing laws. It also opposed court-ordered school busing, in which children were bused from one neighborhood to another within a city in order to achieve racial integration in public schools. Reagan expressed the opinion that court-ordered busing was an unwarranted federal intervention in local government and that it destroyed the community nature of neighborhood schools. The Reagan administration supported legal challenges to busing and also defended tax breaks for private schools that were exempt from participation in busing.

MicrosoftR EncartaR Reference Library 2002. c 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

We started going down hill from there.
 
There is a correlation between the Civil Rights Movement and present day black society, you're just not seeing it. Many of these issues are systemic from years of oppression and other socio-economic reasons. If a kid sells drugs, it's usually for money, why ? Because black rappers demonize our women on MTV making them out to be loose whores who like guys with fast cars and lots of money. These black rappers get record labels through rich white music companies to promote their filth on T.V. Young blacks see this on T.V. and want to emulate this. Those actions and behaviour didn't come from their parents, but from a society who craves sex and violence. White youth love this kind of music too !

OK. So you agree that it's out of lazyness that some kids throw away their lives? It's obviously clear that being a famous rapper is like winning the lottery. One in a million. Some kids today would rather take the "easy" road to riches then hard work and effort.

71% of black homes are fatherless. That could have something to do with jobs and lack of education which could stem from years of being told you couldn't do something. I don't know.

Or it could have something to do with the fact that some black men make babies and then refuse to take responsability for the lifes they create.

When you exonerate white people, you wipe their slate clean of past wrong doings. It was their policies through Jim Crow that oppressed and humiliated generations of blacks, and we are still feeling the bitter sting of racism to this very day. When blacks starting getting their first taste of real prosperity around the 70's i.e. full time, jobs, cars...(it wasn't until the 80's when home ownership really kicked in for blacks especially single mothers) we got in hurry to compete and forgot all about the Struggle. We wanted to be like our white oppressors.

Putting aside the history lesson. I wont disagree with when you say that the effects of all these things are still felt today. For black people to blame every single of their failures on whites is wrong. It just isn't right. It's outright dishonest. If you dont study. You dont get a good job. if you dont get a good job. You chances of becoming a prosperous person diminish. It's as simple as that. It doesn't matter wether you're black, latino or white. It is a golden rule in life.

We started going down hill from there.

No people only go downhill when they simply wait for everything to fall on their laps without any sort of effort. Affirmative action is like giving black people crackers. If you're a 2.5 GPA black student you dont deserve a job more then a 4.0GPA white student does. It's as simple as that. You only deserve a job if you're the best at it. If you're not. Get better and stop complaining about the white man.
 
I think the civil rights movement was for everyone. Not just for one type of people so things like this shouldnt happen. I am a 15 year old kid and honestly think this is a sad subject, you shouldnt care what other people do. If they want to be gay let them do what they want, maybe they wouldnt b**** if you let them do what they want like everyone else.

Also what if the story was the other way around? What if being heterosexual was wrong in peoples eyes what would you say? wouldnt you want to be treated like everyone else?

Lets say that in the next 10 years we find out the answer, say its ok to be gay and do what you want and you get all the rights as other people do. and then say hypothetically speaking we are able to meet another type of people that are outlawed just because of what they do, how they look, or maybe because where they are from?

I honestly think that if your qualified for a job you should be able to get that job if your gay or straight. I dont think that should matter.

I think that if you let them do what they want and let them be and do thier own thing who honestly cares?

just my 2 cents.
 
McTojo
Thanks for the support black man. Racist

It's always good to know when your own sticks you in the back. Drama Queen Your logic is flawed just like the rest of the people on this board who put the cart before the horse. Look to yourself before accusing others. Wisdom is in recognizing ones own flaws

There would be no MLK if it weren't for the sacrifices that were made by so many other blacks before him. No **** Brother? MLK was chosen by "White America" to lead the Civil Rights Movement Nope, he was accepted by African Americans as well as White America...get it straight... because he contained you and kept you subserviant mentally to your white oppressors. Looks like you see what you WANT to see IMO...Because you are a racist by all accounts thus far :) He preached inclusion when what he should've been preaching was reparations and and independence. Thank you Marcus Garvey!

Where we are at today is a direct result of his teachings--passive, non-resistant, lazy, and most of all , stupid.

Get violent then!

Reparations!

Independence
!


Back to Africa!

Black is Beautiful!!

It is so, but why be a dick about it Tojo?
 
I think the civil rights movement was for everyone.

That was my understanding (and I've studied it pretty exhaustively).
If homosexuals are "piggybacking" blacks, then were blacks "piggybacking" women? Or the other way around? And how about the handicapped and mentally ill? Were they "piggybacking" us all?
Equal rights are equal rights; right? Why does it matter who got them first? Does the oppressed minority who got them first have a more valid claim to them than other oppressed minorities who got them later?
Jeesh.

:roll:
 
It is not about who does it first...IMO.

It is about whether or not the agendas and/or rights sought are comparable or equal.

I don't think that the oppressed minorities have the same claim since they are not the same minority. Simple as that. But, do they all have valid claims in their own rights? That is another story...
 
Get violent then!

Reparations!

Independence
!


Back to Africa!

Black is Beautiful!!

It is so, but why be a dick about it Tojo?

Most of these black pan-nationalists wouldn't last 3 days in Africa. I barely lasted a month there on vacation. Once they realize there is no such thing as buffalo chicken wings in Africa. They'll come back like the dumb ****s they are.
 
I didn't know that you were a black man (African American) take your pick, until this thread. I am a white man...not a Red Neck (though I know many) but a Viking descendant...

But it is refreshing, since I consider you a lot like me in our views... That once race and/or looks is taken out of the equation, we all just have opinions and attitudes and we are all generally nice and love our kids. Who the hell knew? Who the **** cares?
 
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