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Homosexuality Is A Birth Defect

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Bonzai said:
"Creating an intrinsic misery"..................Epic fail.................It's worth it.........................
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He is a complete charlatan, he can't possibly understand what gay people go through and if that trial has a purpose. He thinks just because some people are depressed that all gay people are. Straight people get depressed is that a birth defect?

people with freckles, what else? Life is a struggle it is a trial some people have an easier go at it others do not. The ones that struggle longer or harder aren't defective.
 
CLAX1911 said:
He is a complete charlatan, he can't possibly understand what gay people go through and if that trial has a purpose. He thinks just because some people are depressed that all gay people are. Straight people get depressed is that a birth defect?

people with freckles, what else? Life is a struggle it is a trial some people have an easier go at it others do not. The ones that struggle longer or harder aren't defective.
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I actually have a real birth defect that has been life threatening that actually has physically hindered my ability to function in society.
 
Ontologuy said:
But, it is the current scientific thinking, based on a very solid epigenetic model about which there is presently no rational scientific conjecture, lacking only further validation by additional scientific teams to be universally embraced and a proposed prevention a la that which, as the OP presented, drastically reduced the incidence of spina bifida, to begin having the same effect on drastically reducing the incidence of homosexuality.
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And why should we wish to reduce the incidence [sic] of homosexuality?

Wouldn't it be easier to convince anti-gay bigots to alter their perceptions...as so many have done even in the past five years?


Problem solved. All that's needed is for people like you to succumb to a slight raising of the consciousness.
 
Ontologuy said:
I can understand where you all aren't likely to trust me. After all, I'm the one who presented in the OP the current scientific thinking on the etiology of homosexuality, and I know you find the current scientific thinking unsettling.

But, it is the current scientific thinking, based on a very solid epigenetic model about which there is presently no rational scientific conjecture, lacking only further validation by additional scientific teams to be universally embraced and a proposed prevention a la that which, as the OP presented, drastically reduced the incidence of spina bifida, to begin having the same effect on drastically reducing the incidence of homosexuality.

As to the applicability of the term "birth defect" to this epigenetic model's etiology of homosexuality, there are basically some questions that have to be asked and answered, and, if most or all of these questions are answered in the affimative, there's simply no reasonable doubt that this etiology describes a birth defect.

Presented as applicable statements, these questions are as follows:

As the OP's accurate science links presented:

1. Homosexuality is not a conscious choice and not a genetic trait, but is epigentically inculcated.

2. The epigenetic mechanism that causes homosexuality is abnormal.

3. Epigenetic malfunction abnormalities occur during gestation, causing birth defects.

4. The abnormal epigenetic mechanism that causes homosexuality occurs during gestation and is present at birth.

5. The condition of homosexuality is having a physiological sex that is at abnormal and defective cross-purposes with one's neuropsychological attracted-to gender, reflected in physiological brain abnormalities, and creating an intrinsic misery.

Because all five questions are, without any rational conjecture, accurately answered in the affirmative, from the perspective of this current epigenetic scientific thinking on the etiology of homosexuality, homosexuality can clearly, without any rational conjecture whatsoever, be accurately categorized as a birth defect.

It can't possibly be a "variant", as the term "variant" in this situation would be applicable to genetics, and this scientific model reflecting current thinking is epigenetically based, not genetically based.

Really, there's simply no question that, if this epigenetic model continues to lack scientific refutation and continues to receive scientific validation, it will not only be the breakthrough it appears to be in finally pinpointing the etiology of homosexuality, homosexuality will, without question, then be accurately categorized as a birth defect.

Then, when the proposed preventions of this epigenetic malfunction are created, such as giving the pregnant woman specific vitamins/supplements/etc., and implementing these preventions begins to drastically reduce the incidence of homosexuality, that won't rationally be a "eugenics" controversy, and it won't be because simply preventing a birth defect does not a eugenics issue make.
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The only thing I find unsettling is that someone can delude themselves as much as you do. you have no scientific research backing your claims whatsoever and are living in a state of denial.
 
Strucker said:
And why should we wish to reduce the incidence [sic] of homosexuality?

Wouldn't it be easier to convince anti-gay bigots to alter their perceptions...as so many have done even in the past five years?


Problem solved. All that's needed is for people like you to succumb to a slight raising of the consciousness.
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Careful, you are asking a lot there.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Careful, you are asking a lot there.
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:) Yeah, you said it. In truth, I shouldn't even be bothering playing this game, because at bottom I think he is only trying to be provocative and get a rise out of everyone.
 
winston53660 said:
In 1992, the American Psychiatric Association, recognizing the power of the stigma against homosexuality, issued the following statement, reaffirmed by the Board of Trustees, July 2011: "Whereas homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) calls on all international health organizations, psychiatric organizations, and individual psychiatrists in other countries to urge the repeal in their own countries of legislation that penalizes homosexual acts by consenting adults in private. Further, APA calls on these organizations and individuals to do all that is possible to decrease the stigma related to homosexuality wherever and whenever it may occur."[22] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia
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Obviously, a politicized statement by a group in the public eye to offset the "power of the stigma against homosexuality" that interferes with the APA's therapeutic efforts ..

.. It is nevertheless meaningless as it simply does not speak to or recognize the inherent existential angst that exists to an abnormal misery-creating degree that is endemic to homosexuality.

It is also erroneous, and obviously so, as the obviously incorrect "implies no impairment in judgment" sticks out like a sore thumb, as the defective cross-purpose between the homosexual's physical sex and neuropsychological attracted-to gender creates a compulsive drive to mate with one's own sex, an obvious judgment impairment with respect to mating, a compulsion that is the source of much inherent misery.

Here, however, is a link to beginning to see the truth of the inherent instrinsic misery of the birth defect of homosexuality: Is Being Gay Ruining Your Life?
Being gay is tough! There is pain, loneliness and dishonesty before we come out and ups and downs after we come clean.

Being gay is ruining my life. I do not want to be gay. I think it is ok to be gay in general, but not for me. I hate myself and would pay any sum of money to not be gay.

it sucks being gay or being attracted to men

being gay has completely ruined my life

Like most people here being gay is ruining my life. It’s like a rain-cloud blocking out all the sunshine from my life. Every-time I think about it I get that sinking feeling at the pit of my stomach, I just fill with dread.
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And on and on and on, straight from the horse's mouth.

This is the truth of the misery-level existential angst of those who suffer the birth defect of homosexuality, a misery that is foundational to the condition of homosexuality and separate from any bullying.

This is the misery-suffering reality that is referred to in statement five of the birth defect validating criteria: "5. The condition of homosexuality is having a physiological sex that is at abnormal and defective cross-purposes with one's neuropsychological attracted-to gender, reflected in physiological brain abnormalities, and creating an intrinsic misery.
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Ontologuy said:
Obviously, a politicized statement by a group in the public eye to offset the "power of the stigma against homosexuality" that interferes with the APA's therapeutic efforts ..

.. It is nevertheless meaningless as it simply does not speak to or recognize the inherent existential angst that exists to an abnormal misery-creating degree that is endemic to homosexuality.

It is also erroneous, and obviously so, as the obviously incorrect "implies no impairment in judgment" sticks out like a sore thumb, as the defective cross-purpose between the homosexual's physical sex and neuropsychological attracted-to gender creates a compulsive drive to mate with one's own sex, an obvious judgment impairment with respect to mating, a compulsion that is the source of much inherent misery.
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Well just about every single medical association disagrees with your conclusions.

Here, however, is a link to beginning to see the truth of the inherent instrinsic misery of the birth defect of homosexuality: Is Being Gay Ruining Your Life?
And on and on and on, straight from the horse's mouth.

This is the truth of the misery-level existential angst of those who suffer the birth defect of homosexuality, a misery that is foundational to and separate from any bullying.
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WOW anonymous postings. Well I'm convinced:lamo

This is the misery-suffering reality that is referred to in statement five of the birth defect validating criteria: "5. The condition of homosexuality is having a physiological sex that is at abnormal and defective cross-purposes with one's neuropsychological attracted-to gender, reflected in physiological brain abnormalities, and creating an intrinsic misery.
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Oh god what bull****.

BTW way the bunny rabbit in my avatar is a very happy gay woman.
 
Ontologuy said:
Obviously, a politicized statement by a group in the public eye to offset the "power of the stigma against homosexuality" that interferes with the APA's therapeutic efforts ..

.. It is nevertheless meaningless as it simply does not speak to or recognize the inherent existential angst that exists to an abnormal misery-creating degree that is endemic to homosexuality.

It is also erroneous, and obviously so, as the obviously incorrect "implies no impairment in judgment" sticks out like a sore thumb, as the defective cross-purpose between the homosexual's physical sex and neuropsychological attracted-to gender creates a compulsive drive to mate with one's own sex, an obvious judgment impairment with respect to mating, a compulsion that is the source of much inherent misery.

Here, however, is a link to beginning to see the truth of the inherent instrinsic misery of the birth defect of homosexuality: Is Being Gay Ruining Your Life?
And on and on and on, straight from the horse's mouth.

This is the truth of the misery-level existential angst of those who suffer the birth defect of homosexuality, a misery that is foundational to and separate from any bullying.

This is the misery-suffering reality that is referred to in statement five of the birth defect validating criteria: "5. The condition of homosexuality is having a physiological sex that is at abnormal and defective cross-purposes with one's neuropsychological attracted-to gender, reflected in physiological brain abnormalities, and creating an intrinsic misery.
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Once again the misery is caused by external forces not internal ones. If people stop mistreating homosexuals and trying to make them feel like there is something wrong with them the problem will basically go away.
Please stop pretending there is any science behind your opinions it is an insult to all science.
 
winston53660 said:
Well just about every single medical association disagrees with your conclusions.
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False, obviously, and, meaningless.

The reality about the APA's motiviation is clearly how I stated it.

And, presenting one albeit erroneously interpreted reference is not, obviously, "just about every single medical association".

Your gross exaggerations are clearly just that.


winston53660 said:
WOW anonymous postings. Well I'm convinced:lamo
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Your denial of obvious realities continues to be excused by absolute nothings.

Acceptance of the reality that these are real people posting their misery-creating existential angst endemic to their birth defect abnormality of homosexuality ..

.. Is really for the best.


winston53660 said:
Oh god what bull****. BTW way the bunny rabbit in my avatar is a very happy gay woman.
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That people suffering birth defects are incapable of experiencing happiness in matters is your strawman-attack assumptive refutation .. and thus it is meaningless.

People can simultaneously experience both existential angst to a misery-creating degree from their birth defect of homosexuality and happiness in unrelated matters or through coping mechanisms.

That people can also experience happiness in no way erases the reality that their homosexuality causes intrinsic misery.

The fact that the abnormality of homosexuality causes this intrinsic misery through exacerbating existential angst remains reality, a sufficient reality in and of itself that assists in qualifying homosexuality as a birth defect.
 
are we talking about Weiner? because if we are, I don't know why you're pleased. His wife wasn't.
 
too easy, too decent ... some folks gotta hate ...
 
Quag said:
Once again the misery is caused by external forces not internal ones. If people stop mistreating homosexuals and trying to make them feel like there is something wrong with them the problem will basically go away.
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Absolutely false.

You are saying that all misery related to homosexuality is caused by other people, bullies, who mistreat homosexuals.

Not only is that an obviously erroneous statement, it's dysfunctionally codependent, in that it ignores one's own culpability in the matter and blames everything misery-related in the matter all on other people.

The intrinsic misery caused by the birth defect condition of homosexuality itself, that causes exacerbation of existential angst, is reality, a reality that is intensified by bullying, not created by bullying.

If you do not think that having a physiological sex that is at defective cross-purporses with one's neuropsychological attracted-to gender isn't misery-creating in and of itself, then you are simply missing/denying the emotional realities associated with the abnormal condition of homosexuality.


Quag said:
Please stop pretending there is any science behind your opinions it is an insult to all science.
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Your attack of a strawman is meaningless.

I've clearly presented both the scientific birth defect etiology of homosexuality and the psychological impact of the abnormal condition of homosexuality.
 
Ontologuy said:
Absolutely false.

You are saying that all misery related to homosexuality is caused by other people, bullies, who mistreat homosexuals.

Not only is that an obviously erroneous statement, it's dysfunctionally codependent, in that it ignores one's own culpability in the matter and blames everything misery-related in the matter all on other people.

The intrinsic misery caused by the birth defect condition of homosexuality itself, that causes exacerbation of existential angst, is reality, a reality that is intensified by bullying, not created by bullying.

If you do not think that having a physiological sex that is at defective cross-purporses with one's neuropsychological attracted-to gender isn't misery-creating in and of itself, then you are simply missing/denying the emotional realities associated with the abnormal condition of homosexuality.



Your attack of a strawman is meaningless.

I've clearly presented both the scientific birth defect etiology of homosexuality and the psychological impact of the abnormal condition of homosexuality.
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Blah blah blah you repeat the same garbage.
You have no science behind you only opinion. Untill you learn the difference Ill just keep repeating myself.
 
Ontologuy said:
False, obviously, and, meaningless.

The reality about the APA's motiviation is clearly how I stated it.

And, presenting one albeit erroneously interpreted reference is not, obviously, "just about every single medical association".
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AmericanAcademy of Pediatrics
AmericanAssociation of SchoolAdministrators
AmericanCounselingAssociation
American Federation of Teachers
American PsychologicalAssociation
American SchoolCounselorAssociation
American SchoolHealthAssociation
InterfaithAlliance Foundation
NationalAssociation of School Psychologists
NationalAssociation of Secondary School Principals
NationalAssociation of SocialWorkers
National EducationAssociation
School SocialWorkAssociation ofAmerica
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/just-the-facts.pdf

BRIEF OF THE AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL
ASSOCIATION, THE AMERICAN MEDICAL
ASSOCIATION, THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF
PEDIATRICS, THE CALIFORNIA MEDICAL
ASSOCIATION, THE AMERICAN PSYCHIATRIC
ASSOCIATION, THE AMERICAN PSYCHOANALYTIC
ASSOCIATION, THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION FOR
MARRIAGE AND FAMILY THERAPY, THE NATIONAL
ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS AND ITS
CALIFORNIA CHAPTER, AND THE CALIFORNIA
PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION AS AMICI CURIAE

INTEREST OF AMICI CURIAE
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The American Psychological Association, the
world’s largest professional association of
psychologists, is a scientific and educational
organization dedicated to increasing and
disseminating psychological knowledge. The
Association has adopted multiple research-based
policy statements supporting the rights of gay and
lesbian people, including a 2011 policy statement
supporting full marriage equality and recognizing
that according gay and lesbian people only a “civil
union” status “perpetuates the stigma historically
attached to homosexuality, and reinforces prejudice
against lesbian, gay, and bisexual people.” Am.
Psychol. Ass’n, Resolution on Marriage Equality For
Same-Sex Couples (2011), available at http://www.
apa.org/about/policy/same-sex.pdf.
The American Medical Association (AMA) is the
largest professional association of physicians,
residents, and medical students in the United
States, substantially all of whom are represented in
the AMA’s policy making process. The objectives of
the AMA are to promote the science and art of
medicine and the betterment of public health. Its
policies regarding gay and lesbian issues promote
those objectives.
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) is the
largest professional association of pediatricians i

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http://www.ama-assn.org/resources/doc/legal-issues/hollingsworth-v-perry.pdf

Your gross exaggerations are clearly just that.
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Your gross extrapolations are unhealthy.
 
In addition to the intrinsic misery of being homosexual, there are the physiological abnormalities in the brain associated with the birth defect-definition of homosexuality and that intrinsic misery.

It's pretty much old hat now how the brains of homosexuals in their structural abnormality differ from the brains of heterosexuals.

This now jibes with what is to be expected when the epigenetic malfunction that creates the birth defect of homosexuality reverses the hormonal composition in the person to the degree that the attracted-to gender is at defective cross-purposes with the person's physiological sex: homosexuals end up with some opposite-sex-like brain structures that gives males typically female characteristics associated with an attracted-to gender where that attracted-to gender is male and that gives females typically male characteristics associated with an attracted-to gender where that attracted-to gender is female.

There are many links that reveal these hypothalamus, striata, amygdala, etc. brain structure abnormalities in homosexuals, just Google "Homosexual Brain Differences":

Brain Study Shows Differences Between Gays, Straights - washingtonpost.com

Studies Show Differences Between Heterosexual and Homosexual Brains! - UberFactsUberFacts

What the Gay Brain Looks Like - TIME

And the list goes on and on and on.

Though we now know there is no "gay gene" and that the birth defect of homosexuality is epigenetically inculated, the resultant brain structural abnormalities are part and parcel of the defect of homosexuality.

Although the defect itself of the birth defect of homosexuality cannot be observed on the surface with the naked eye like with many (but not all!) other birth defects, the physiological defect is nevertheless still there, in the brain of the homosexual.

Again, clearly, as the OP presented, homosexuality is without question a birth defect.
 
Ontologuy said:
In addition to the intrinsic misery of being homosexual, there are the physiological abnormalities in the brain associated with the birth defect-definition of homosexuality and that intrinsic misery.

It's pretty much old hat now how the brains of homosexuals in their structural abnormality differ from the brains of heterosexuals.

This now jibes with what is to be expected when the epigenetic malfunction that creates the birth defect of homosexuality reverses the hormonal composition in the person to the degree that the attracted-to gender is at defective cross-purposes with the person's physiological sex: homosexuals end up with some opposite-sex-like brain structures that gives males typically female characteristics associated with an attracted-to gender where that attracted-to gender is male and that gives females typically male characteristics associated with an attracted-to gender where that attracted-to gender is female.

There are many links that reveal these hypothalamus, striata, amygdala, etc. brain structure abnormalities in homosexuals, just Google "Homosexual Brain Differences":

Brain Study Shows Differences Between Gays, Straights - washingtonpost.com

Studies Show Differences Between Heterosexual and Homosexual Brains! - UberFactsUberFacts

What the Gay Brain Looks Like - TIME

And the list goes on and on and on.

Though we now know there is no "gay gene" and that the birth defect of homosexuality is epigenetically inculated, the resultant brain structural abnormalities are part and parcel of the defect of homosexuality.

Although the defect itself of the birth defect of homosexuality cannot be observed on the surface with the naked eye like with many (but not all!) other birth defects, the physiological defect is nevertheless still there, in the brain of the homosexual.

Again, clearly, as the OP presented, homosexuality is without question a birth defect.
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Blah blah blah, more nonsense from the scientifically illiterate.
 
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