Sure, you could have, but if it hadn't been for Vauge who constructed the website and paid for the upkeep you would have had to find another way to do it. So I guess you could call it a community effort.
I think position B) has an incredible amount of merit, and homeschoolers usually don't learn it. That's not to say they can't, if the parents make a sufficient effort to do it, but the vast majority don't. The fact is that the degree of socialization you get in school is hard to replace when just one or two people are trying to cart you around by themselves.
I know two homeschooled people well.
One believes homeschooling actually ruined her life for this reason. She had to spend years in therapy and re-socializing herself to function at any kind of adult level, which she didn't achieve until her late 20's.
The other guy I know is now in his 30's, and is so poorly socialized that he is perpetually moving down the age bracket in his friendships and relationships. They are all in the 17 to 22 range, and they all drop him once they get older than that because he is so immature and so poor at communication. He even dresses like a teenager. He's frozen in a place most of us grew out of in mid-high school, and he does attribute this to homeschooling, although he has little desire to change it, it seems.
Again, is it possible to cover B) while homeschooling? Sure. But it seems to be that very few people do.
And for my two cents? As an eccentric who seems to be affected by the injustice of how some treat others and the world the way most people are affected by a physical whipping, I don't think I ever would have been able to function at all if I had not been constantly dealing with socialization all through my childhood. I hated most of it, but there's no way I could have dealt with adulthood if I hadn't been practicing every single day when the stakes were low and I always had a place to retreat.
I agree with you A) is bull****, and most schools encourage A). That's where the parents come in. I essentially went to two schools: normal school, which was mostly just to socialize me and make sure I knew the basics of bureaucracy. And then whatever my dad could manage afterwards -- my deeper forms of knowledge, and how to resist A).
So normal school is certainly not a perfect solution -- it can be damaging in its own right. But, presumably, whoever would have been the homeschool teacher stays home, so they can afford to do this. My dad worked. I have no idea how he pulled it off.
Well actually you've touched on quite possibly the most awesome thing about being home schooled (for the religious, ideological reasons I've mentioned before): being home schooled means never being wrong. Gays brought down the Roman Empire? Bam, it's true. There were no laws against rape, murder or theft before Christianity? True. Marriage isn't listed as a right in the constitution? True. Obama is a Muslim? True. When you're a home schooled Christian, you're always right, and you win every debate.
It seems that homeschool is often the last resort of the deeply religious to keep their children from learning anything about the world around them, either in terms of science, politics, economics, sexuality, medicine, or human behavior, so that they can never make an informed decision as to whether to adhere to the religious precepts of their parents or not.
Or, you know, "avoid Liberal/socialist brainwashing of the public schools". Basically the same thing.
We have one home-schooled member on this forum that's (mostly) the exception to everything I'm about to say.
Homeschooling is mostly for the benefit of preventing children from learning things like evolution or any associated "liberal" ideas. The only way to achieve this is, sadly, to permanently dismantle any ability to demonstrate critical thinking, one of the results of which is that logical fallacies are not only to be expected but celebrated. While such home schooled kids tend to be superior in reading, writing and arithmetic, their lack of critical thinking and hostility to science (particularly, scientific concepts deemed to be threatening to their faith) results in something that is a heartbeat away from child abuse, in my opinion. Their permanently misshapen brains make them unsuited to interacting with the world outside of their tiny, religious communities.
Oh, ask a home schooled person their thoughts on history, and you'll get all sorts of crap like, "Christians invented law" or "The gays brought down the Roman Empire." It's a hoot.
Clarification:
My main quibble with my homeschooling experience is that it lacked much of the socialization aspect public school has.
I was and to some extent still am badly adjusted socially.
That is a point.I'm not taking a cheap shot here, but what makes you believe that you would not be badly socially adjusted if you had gone to school.
I've spent most of my educational years around badly socially adjusted nerds. Almost every single one of these dudes went to public or private schools.
Not with the deliberateness that homeschooling does. And here's the important thing: after I've been taught factually incorrect things, I'm still able to look back and say "Oh. Well that certainly turned out to be a load of crap, didn't it?" Homeschoolers consistently lack the self reflection and critical thinking skills to do this. They're taught solely to break down opposing beliefs, and reject that there's any reason or legitimacy to do the same for their own.
I am not sure what you are basing this on, but it is not at all consistent with my observations and experience. What is your source for these assertions?
So, you are taking a small sample of a large group, and painting them all to look like fringe religious fanatics?Every personal interaction (save one) with a homeschooler on an online forum. In case you haven't seen this disclaimer (the same one I've made about a hundred times now), I'm specifically referring to parents who homeschool their children for religious and ideological reasons.
In a way, aren't ANY reasons ideological in nature?Every personal interaction (save one) with a homeschooler on an online forum. In case you haven't seen this disclaimer (the same one I've made about a hundred times now), I'm specifically referring to parents who homeschool their children for religious and ideological reasons.
In a way, aren't ANY reasons ideological in nature?
I suppose "too far from a public school" doesn't really count as an ideological reason.No.
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Every personal interaction (save one) with a homeschooler on an online forum. In case you haven't seen this disclaimer (the same one I've made about a hundred times now), I'm specifically referring to parents who homeschool their children for religious and ideological reasons.
What about Catholic school? Greek school? Muslim school? They are all indoctrinating their belief set in children's minds. Do you have a problem with them as well?
I liked your other profile picture better :2wave:
What about Catholic school? Greek school? Muslim school? They are all indoctrinating their belief set in children's minds. Do you have a problem with them as well?
I suppose "too far from a public school" doesn't really count as an ideological reason.
:lol: Sorry, I have a terrible crush on Adrian Brody. I just changed this for a friend, but my willpower has faded and now I have to have him back.
I'm confused. Based on everything I've already said, why do you think I'm more inclined to give them a free pass?
I'm confused. Based on everything I've already said, why do you think I'm more inclined to give them a free pass?
I have not responded to the poll because, with respect, the options tend to be too absolute (such as thinking homeschooling is dumb). Home schooling is not popular in either the UK or Australia, but I have met one person who was home schooled, and while 'a single swallow does not a summer make', he was not a good advertisement for the system. I will qualify this by pointing out that he was part of a fundamentalist religious sect, so I doubt he was representative of the breed.
I have two problems with coming to any definitive view on homeschooling. The first being that I went to Public School (note the capitalisation - it means something different in the UK from what it means in the USA). The teachers were very highly qualified (few did not hold a doctorate in the discipline they taught) and by and large, both proficient and unbiased. (My school has the highest academic record in the UK - and has had for a couple of hundred years.) I was not therefore aware of the 'political agenda' - liberal or otherwise - of the education system to which I was subjected. I was aware of having available to me a master in whatever discipline I was studying, and to whom I could refer (outside class) with any issues therein which troubled me.
The second problem flows on from the first, inasmuch as I consider the cumulative effect of so many highly qualified teachers in all disciples to be difficult to replicate in the average well-educated household consisting of two adults, whose economic responsibilities might preclude them spending all day educating their children (assuming they are adequately qualified to do so right up to university entrance level).
I can see why the religiously fundamental might want to shield their children from what they see as overly secular influences, but I can also see why the German state has made public education mandatory. It is my view that parents should not have sole responsibility (and carte blanche) as to how their children are informed about the world in which they must live. A very wise man once wrote - "Your children come through you, not from you ..." We are not the property of our parents to indoctrinate as they wish.
I am asking you - you seem to have issue with Christian-based lesson plans, so I just want to know if you feel the same way about others? Just curious. Don't get your knickers in a twist. Because it seems that a lot of people have problems with allowing Christians to do something, but when it comes to other religious groups, it's OK.
The Christian example is the one I focused on because I live in the United States, we have mostly American members, and Christians are the majority religion. It would not surprise me in the least if you told me that Greek Orthodox, Muslim, Jewish or Zoroastrian families were doing the same things with the same negative consequences.
And my knickers aren't in a twist. My middle name is Cucumber, and in "cool as a."
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