Homeland Security sending 150 agents to Chicago this week: report

[Moonglow]

How does one achieve “law and order” via unlawful use of an agency which has no legal authority to put their hands on American citizens?

Depends on who's law you are following.

 

[Moonglow]

Enforcing the law is fascism, now? :lamo

No, just some of the laws are.

 

[TobyOne]

Thats totally not what it says. Try again.

Says the US Legal Code.

 

[Nickyjo]

The Nazis took full charge over the country in within months of Adolf Hitler taking power, despite having only a plurality of seats in the Reichstag not a majority. They did not bide their time, or wait to convince the majority of Germans to come to their side. In less than two years, the Nazis controlled every major social institution in Germany, both public and private.

Again, even if Donald Trump was a dyed-in-the-wool National Socialist, he lacks both a party and a party army. And before you type "The Republicans ARE his Party" I do not mean someone who just goes along to get along with him. I mean an expansive, radical cadre of followers willing to take over institutions of American society and bend them towards the leaders' will. If Donald Trump is a fascist leader, he lacks a devoted fascist following willing to remake America in his idealized image and annihilate those who get in his way.

If he were a Fascist, his Party Army would be murdering people in the streets and he would be issuing pardons of those caught, rather than to members of his campaign organization.

I don't think that Trump is a fascist, but he has a fascist style in his politics: finding enemies for us to resent or fear, the "I alone can fix it" comment, the love of adulation at rallies, demonizing the media, his admiration of Saddam and Duterte's tactics, his suggestion that the military commit war crimes, pardoning those who did, and his suggestion that cops violate the law by not being "so gentle" with suspects.

 

[Port & Starboard]

So, now we know that Trump is a Nazi after all. Been calling it since 2016.

The Nazi's have been terrorizing cities for the past 2 months.

****ing animals.

 

[Roadvirus]

Chicago is a dumpster fire.

However, Lori Footinmouth doesn't want any outside help to put it out.

 

[Tangmo]

So, now we know that Trump is a Nazi after all. Been calling it since 2016.

Since 2017 Trump has always had to get worse before all of this could get better.

We're finally reaching that point.

Barr is the Reichminister of Justice who is exactly what the leader ordered. While we're not at the Rubicon yet I can see it from here for the first time.

 

[MSgt]

So, now we know that Trump is a Nazi after all. Been calling it since 2016.

Trump would be a Nazi, in that he would be a profiteer. He is amoral, absent of empathy, and doesn't care enough about anything outside of money to care about the NAZI ideology, nor what it does.

No, Trump is absolutely a plutocrat who has no established political philosophy about him. The delusion that he actually cares about democracy is easily shattered when one considers his obsession to denigrate the free press for its criticism, admonishing and interference into the judicial, and his persistent demand that his GOP give him license to dismiss Congressional authority. We'll leave aside the fact tat the GOP is a radical right-wing party that has heavily attacked democracy since 2014. Back to Trump. It has been extremely clear that he has no problem cozying up with autocrats and selling off American interests to the highest bidder. Only this explains America's systematic retreat in Europe, the Middle East, and the Pacific, all the while China, Russia, and Turkey's foreign policies have seen gifted achievements.

Or he is simply an idiot, who has no idea what he is doing from moment to moment, and is so weak minded that foreign autocracies have managed to use his pathetic ego against him in order to manipulate American foreign policy for their own purposes.

* Western Europe: Screw your democracies and TTIP, a necessary tool to shore up Europe's loyalty and energy needs. Unchecked Putin pipeline diplomacy for a year!

* The Pacific: Screw you guys and "Obama's" billion-dollar TPP, meant to also keep China's geopolitical agenda at bay. Here's a million dollar deal with Japan!

* Iran: Screw "Obama's" deal. Here's no deal and a push into China's orbit, satisfying China's foreign policy agenda. Sorry Israel.

* Putin: What do you think about Russia's meddling in 2016? Oh, he told me he didn't do it, so...

* Kim Jung-Un: Yeah, we have a special bond.

* Kurds: Screw you guys. Here Turkey, Russia, Iran, and China...have the Syrian region. Sorry Israel.

Nobody should ever forget that Putin wanted to see Trump as the American president. Beside Trump's clear record over the last three years, there really hasn't been an official answer to this...yet. Enter the historians and the eventual release of Russian documents in which even his wall of nondisclosure agreements will protect. But, again, maybe Trump really is just an idiot. Either way, it makes Trump's accusations of Biden as being too incompetent to be President a ****ing joke. So far, Biden has more than double the experience than Trump has in the White House, and Biden's president didn't sell America off to dictators for money. And yes, Trump has racked up thousands of documented conflicts of interests in just three years. This is the result of using nepotism to appoint his children to Cabinet space in the White House, while they run the Trump Organization. His is already going down as one of the very worst in President history. His will also be among the very corrupt.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

No, but they are certainly capitalizing on it by equating BLM protesters with the few criminal rioters that appear. Add to this the mostly imaginary dangers of absentee ballots and "caravans of MS-13 rapists flooding over the border" and you have a pattern.

They won't be the first to capitalize on leftists looking and behaving like idiots. You feel that pointing this out isn't fair?

 

[apdst]

No, just some of the laws are.

Which ones?

 

[Variant]

Not only that, but arresting protestors is out of their jurisdiction. That is using the feds for police power, and that right belongs to the states per the constitution. It also interfers with their primary mission, since part of it is trust from the communities they are in,and this ruins it.

So the mayors and governors should call his bluff and arrest the feds when they show up and do some out of jurisdiction kidnapping.

 

[Variant]

Since 2017 Trump has always had to get worse before all of this could get better.

We're finally reaching that point.

Barr is the Reichminister of Justice who is exactly what the leader ordered. While we're not at the Rubicon yet I can see it from here for the first time.

Using a federal army to enforce the presidents wishes wherever he likes is way past the Rubicon.

 

[RAMOSS]

So the mayors and governors should call his bluff and arrest the feds when they show up and do some out of jurisdiction kidnapping.

The last thing I want to see is one group of armed government officials trying to arrest another group of armed government officials. I mean, what could go wrong?

 

[Variant]

The last thing I want to see is one group of armed government officials trying to arrest another group of armed government officials. I mean, what could go wrong?

If the president wants to send armed officials in to kidnap people what do you think would actually stop him?

Obviously it gets very messy after that but that's why we don't allow such things in the first place.

 

[RAMOSS]

If the president wants to send armed officials in to kidnap people what do you think would actually stop him?

Obviously it gets very messy after that but that's why we don't allow such things in the first place.

That would be a last resort, I would rather go through the court system first.

 

[Variant]

That would be a last resort, I would rather go through the court system first.

The lawsuits have already been filed and plans are going forward to expand the operation.

The longer a federal army is mascaraing as police the worse things will get.

 

[Napoleon]

Thats totally not what it says. Try again.

The code I posted itemizes what CPB is authorized to do. What is not itemized, and therefore not authorized, is for CPD to police and arrest American citizens. No need for me to try again. Trump’s jackboots need to be arrested by local PD and charged with assault and kidnapping.

 

[lwf]

They won't be the first to capitalize on leftists looking and behaving like idiots. You feel that pointing this out isn't fair?

Not at all. Pointing out the actions of a few criminal extremists is fine. But equating these extremists with the views and aims of the Democratic party is certainly spreading nonsense propaganda. No less than equating asylum seekers at the border to MS-13 gangsters hoping to rape conservatives and illegally vote for Joe Biden is propaganda.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

The Nazis took full charge over the country in within months of Adolf Hitler taking power, despite having only a plurality of seats in the Reichstag not a majority. They did not bide their time, or wait to convince the majority of Germans to come to their side. In less than two years, the Nazis controlled every major social institution in Germany, both public and private.

Again, even if Donald Trump was a dyed-in-the-wool National Socialist, he lacks both a party and a party army. And before you type "The Republicans ARE his Party" I do not mean someone who just goes along to get along with him. I mean an expansive, radical cadre of followers willing to take over institutions of American society and bend them towards the leaders' will. If Donald Trump is a fascist leader, he lacks a devoted fascist following willing to remake America in his idealized image and annihilate those who get in his way.

If he were a Fascist, his Party Army would be murdering people in the streets and he would be issuing pardons of those caught, rather than to members of his campaign organization.

I don't care if Trump and his supporters are not yet goosestepping and wearing a swastika armband.

It's close enough to fascism that you and every other so-called conservative and so-called libertarian should be criticizing him, his administration, his authoritarian supporters, right about...now.

But I'd like everyone to notice, you did not contribute to this thread to criticize Trump or what his administration is doing. You came in here to nitpick his critics.

If you were a real conservative you would be criticizing what's going on. If you actually believed in the principles you say you believed in you would be criticizing what's going on. But you're not. That's why everyone knows that you and the vast majority of so-called conservatives and so-called libertarians who contribute to this forum are fakes.

 

[Tangmo]

Using a federal army to enforce the presidents wishes wherever he likes is way past the Rubicon.

There's zero evidence the armed forces are involved in this federal invasion of Portland and now Chicago by certain clearly identified federal LEA.

That said, I'm referring to the Rubicon the armed forces would cross as if it were the Potomac.

It's not Trump who would cross the Rubicon, or is crossing the Rubicon or who has already crossed the Rubicon. In other words your logic in reading my post is backwards, ie, I am not advocating Trump -- not in this or in anything. Crossing the Rubicon refers to the army removing the emperor-tyrant-egomaniac. So your knowledge of history and analogies to it is lacking. You moreover haven't ever made sense or been coherent in any of your posts to me.

 

[Mongidig]

So, now we know that Trump is a Nazi after all. Been calling it since 2016.

You should review your history of what real Nazis were like.

Only thing you've done since 2016 is wipe tears off your face.

 

[Rogue Valley]

There's zero evidence the armed forces are involved in this federal invasion of Portland and now Chicago by certain clearly identified federal LEA.

That said, I'm referring to the Rubicon the armed forces would cross as if it were the Potomac.

It's not Trump who would cross the Rubicon, or is crossing the Rubicon or who has already crossed the Rubicon. In other words your logic in reading my post is backwards, ie, I am not advocating Trump -- not in this or in anything. Crossing the Rubicon refers to the army removing the emperor-tyrant-egomaniac. So your knowledge of history and analogies to it is lacking. You moreover haven't ever made sense or been coherent in any of your posts to me.

Be that as it may, I have many problems with agents of the DHS (CBP/ICE/CC) masquerading as military personnel. Well armed and wearing camo with no insignia.

They use unmarked vans, do not Mirandize and do not give notice of an arrest. They simply shove a citizen into the van and off they go.

It's like Stalin's Russia for Christ sake. All we're missing are Black Mariya's and Lefortovo Prison.

 

[JANFU]

It seems like a very bad idea to reassign ICE agents to do something other than federal immigration law enforcement when we have 12M (to 20M?) illegal immigrants inside the US. Trump seems to go out of his way to reduce his approval rating.

Just one of many Trump mistakes

 

[JANFU]

I await the extremely detailed plan from the "most transparent" President in history.

And that is the hoax.

 

[Felis Leo]

I don't care if Trump and his supporters are not yet goosestepping and wearing a swastika armband.

It's close enough to fascism that you and every other so-called conservative and so-called libertarian should be criticizing him, his administration, his authoritarian supporters, right about...now.

Federal officers ostensibly being deployed to protect federal property and to assist other Federal agencies to investigate, apprehend and prosecute those people for violating federal law has not now nor ever has been fascism. When you demonstrate that they are there with a far more sinister agenda than that, I am wiling to change my mind and admit my mistake. I will not leap to assume the worst otherwise.

But I'd like everyone to notice, you did not contribute to this thread to criticize Trump or what his administration is doing. You came in here to nitpick his critics.

Well, it is not as though I tried to hide it. I have already criticized the Trump Administration in other threads. I will not be browbeaten by someone who despises me and my views into issuing false denunciations to get a "like" from you, or from anyone else. When Donald Trump fails to live up to his duties or acts in a reprehensible manner as he often does, I will voice my opinion against him. But only when I have evidence that is what is indeed going on. What exactly is the case against Federal Law Enforcement officers detaining or arresting people who may be violating Federal law? Other than the man in charge of the Executive Branch is Donald Trump, that is?

If you were a real conservative you would be criticizing what's going on. If you actually believed in the principles you say you believed in you would be criticizing what's going on. But you're not. That's why everyone knows that you and the vast majority of so-called conservatives and so-called libertarians who contribute to this forum are fakes.

I do not see why. Unlike people who perennially despise conservatives, Republicans and Trump-supporters, I try my best not to shoot from the hip before I have a full understanding of what is occurring. When Donald Trump does something worthy of criticism, then I will criticize as I have done. When Donald Trump occasionally does something worthy of praise, I will applaud. And when the situation is unclear, I will withhold my judgment until I have more information.