Holocaust Denial and Minimization[W:123, 876]

[Fledermaus]

I didn't know that the world-wide conspiracy to blacken the name of the wonderful and peace-loving Adolf Hitler had started so long ago.

Dem Ewes bin Everywhere....

 

[Scott]

Scott,

6.The outbreak of war between Germany and Soviet Russia and the occupation of the eastern areas of Poland by German troops considerably increased the numbers of Jews in Germany's power. At the same time the mass murders of Jews reached such dimensions that, at first, people refused to give credence to the reports reaching Warsaw from the Eastern provinces. The reports, however, were confirmed again and again by reliable witnesses. During the winter 1941-1942 several tens of thousands of Jews were murdered. In the city of Wilno over 50,000 Jews were reported to have been massacred and only 12,000 of them remain in the local ghetto. In the city of Lwow 40,000 were reported murdered; in Rowne 14,000; in Kowel 10,000, and unknown numbers in Stanislawow1 Tarnopol, Stryj, Drohob-ycz and many other smaller towns. At first the executions were carried out by shooting; subsequently, however, it is reported that the Germans applied new methods, such as poison gas, by means of which the Jewish population was exterminated in Chelm, or electrocution, for which a camp was organized in Belzec, where in the course of March and April, 1942, the Jews from the provinces of Lublin, Lwow and Kielce, amounting to tens of thousands, were exterminated. Of Lublin's 80,000 Jewish inhabitants only 2,500 still survive in the city.

Note to theGovernments of the United Nations - December 10th, 1942

A piece of paper saying something happened doesn't make the proof that it didn't happen go away.


Auschwitz. Why The Gas Chambers Are A Myth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybCR875RJgE
(6:25 time mark)

Friedrich Paul Berg's "NaziGassings.com"
(excerpt)
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If all one wanted to do was save space and avoid burial, garbage incinerators or lime kilns or brick kilns would have been the logical choice—NOT crematory ovens. The garbage incinerators within Kremas 2 and 3 or even larger incinerators specially built for that purpose certainly could have done the job and far more efficiently in terms of labor, equipment cost and cost of fuel. The crematory ovens from Topf & Sons at Birkenau could only cremate one normal-sized body at a time. The reasons are fairly simple. If one puts more than one normal-sized corpse into a standard crematory oven, one is likely to make contact between a corpse and the firebrick. This must be strictly avoided because of uneven heating of the firebrick and subsequent exfoliation and rapid deterioration of the expensive, refractory fire brick. The essential difference between garbage incinerators and crematory ovens is that a garbage incinerator allows co-mingling of fly ash from the fuel with the garbage residue whereas a crematory applies the external heat indirectly to keep the cremains as pure as possible. A garbage incinerator can have the coal fire directly below the grating that supports the garbage as it burns. At the end of the process, the coal ash and the garbage ashes are all mixed together. That would have been intolerable for human cremation. But, if one were engaged in mass murder, why would anyone care?
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It would have been impossible to cremate the number of bodies we are told they cremated in the amount of time in which we're told they cremated them with the system we're told they used.

 

[Fledermaus]

A piece of paper saying something happened doesn't make the proof that it didn't happen go away.


Auschwitz. Why The Gas Chambers Are A Myth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybCR875RJgE
(6:25 time mark)

Friedrich Paul Berg's "NaziGassings.com"
(excerpt)
---------------------------------------
If all one wanted to do was save space and avoid burial, garbage incinerators or lime kilns or brick kilns would have been the logical choice—NOT crematory ovens. The garbage incinerators within Kremas 2 and 3 or even larger incinerators specially built for that purpose certainly could have done the job and far more efficiently in terms of labor, equipment cost and cost of fuel. The crematory ovens from Topf & Sons at Birkenau could only cremate one normal-sized body at a time. The reasons are fairly simple. If one puts more than one normal-sized corpse into a standard crematory oven, one is likely to make contact between a corpse and the firebrick. This must be strictly avoided because of uneven heating of the firebrick and subsequent exfoliation and rapid deterioration of the expensive, refractory fire brick. The essential difference between garbage incinerators and crematory ovens is that a garbage incinerator allows co-mingling of fly ash from the fuel with the garbage residue whereas a crematory applies the external heat indirectly to keep the cremains as pure as possible. A garbage incinerator can have the coal fire directly below the grating that supports the garbage as it burns. At the end of the process, the coal ash and the garbage ashes are all mixed together. That would have been intolerable for human cremation. But, if one were engaged in mass murder, why would anyone care?
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It would have been impossible to cremate the number of bodies we are told they cremated in the amount of time in which we're told they cremated them with the system we're told they used.

Scott,

Why do you post revisionist garbage?

Do you feel kinship with liars that deny the.holocaust?

 

[zyzygy]

Scott,

Why do you post revisionist garbage?

Do you feel kinship with liars that deny the.holocaust?

Why would anybody defend Nazis?

 

[Fledermaus]

Why would anybody defend Nazis?

Nazis are people too?

Take away the whole world conquest, eugenics, genocide thing...

 

[Dibbler]

The tide of truth will not be stopped.

 

[zyzygy]

The tide of truth will not be stopped.

We already know the truth about the Holocaust. That tide came in a long time ago.

 

[Dibbler]

We already know the truth about the Holocaust. That tide came in a long time ago.

The tide of truth will continue to rise.

 

[Fledermaus]

The tide of truth will continue to rise.

And the tide shows Nazis slaughtered millions. Your pint jar revisionist garbage does not change that.

 

[Dibbler]

And the tide shows Nazis slaughtered millions. Your pint jar revisionist garbage does not change that.

73,137

This figure was reported in The New York Times on March 3, 1991 and was based entirely on the wartime German concentration camp records that had been captured by the Soviets and just recently released. According to this figure, of those dead, 38,031 were Jews. These records state that the total of all persons who died in the ENTIRE German prison camp system from 1935 to 1945 were 403,713. To repeat: a total of 403,713 persons of all races and religions was officially recorded to have died (of all causes. typhus, old age, measles, etc.-and execution) in the entire prison camp system over a 10 year period. Of those 403,713 a total of 73,137 died at Auschwitz. Of those 73,137 who died at Auschwitz, 38,031 were Jews.


- (This table and its contents first appeared in The Barnes Review, January / February 2001)

Jewish Estimate Sees Number of Holocaust Dead Drop To 2.8 Million! « Socio-Economics History Blog

From Flamethrower's post on page 25.

 

[zyzygy]

From Flamethrower's post on page 25.

Only 2.8 million. That's ok then.

 

[Fledermaus]

From Flamethrower's post on page 25.

More Stormfront garbage....

And the tide shows Nazis slaughtered millions.

And even if your Stormfront garbage were true (the track record argues against that) it is still millions

Add to the the hundreds of thousands that did not make it to camps courtesy of the Einsatzgruppen...

Add to that the tens of thousands that died in the Ghettos courtesy of Nazis food rationing...

 

[zyzygy]

From Flamethrower's post on page 25.

What would be the lowest number of Jews murdered by the Nazis that would be acceptable?

 

[Dibbler]

More Stormfront garbage....

And the tide shows Nazis slaughtered millions.

And even if your Stormfront garbage were true (the track record argues against that) it is still millions

Add to the the hundreds of thousands that did not make it to camps courtesy of the Einsatzgruppen...

Add to that the tens of thousands that died in the Ghettos courtesy of Nazis food rationing...

The Barnes Review, Home of the TBR Bookclub

Yikes..yes it is biased. It is associated with Stormfront, or is it just referenced there ?

 

[Fledermaus]

The Barnes Review, Home of the TBR Bookclub

Yikes..yes it is biased. It is associated with Stormfront, or is it just referenced there ?

Nothing to say about the MILLIONS killed?

Color me surprised.



The Barnes Review
Founded:
1994
Location:
Washington, D.C.
Ideology:
White Nationalist

Founded by Willis Carto in 1994, The Barnes Review (TBR) is one of the most virulent anti-Semitic organizations around. Its flagship journal, The Barnes Review, and its website, Barnesreview.org, are dedicated to historical revisionism and Holocaust denial. The organization is also a moneymaking enterprise. Besides journal subscriptions, its TBR Book Club and online bookstore promote and sell a wide range of extremist books and publications. The Barnes Review also hosts nearly annual conferences that attract an international crowd of antigovernment extremists, anti-Semites, white supremacists, and racist conspiracy theorists.

Barnes Review | Southern Poverty Law Center

 

[Dibbler]

Nothing to say about the MILLIONS killed?

Color me surprised.



The Barnes Review
Founded:
1994
Location:
Washington, D.C.
Ideology:
White Nationalist

Founded by Willis Carto in 1994, The Barnes Review (TBR) is one of the most virulent anti-Semitic organizations around. Its flagship journal, The Barnes Review, and its website, Barnesreview.org, are dedicated to historical revisionism and Holocaust denial. The organization is also a moneymaking enterprise. Besides journal subscriptions, its TBR Book Club and online bookstore promote and sell a wide range of extremist books and publications. The Barnes Review also hosts nearly annual conferences that attract an international crowd of antigovernment extremists, anti-Semites, white supremacists, and racist conspiracy theorists.

Barnes Review | Southern Poverty Law Center

Which millions killed are we talking about here, the Russians ? The 5-6 million starved to death in the 30's by the Bolsheviks, or the 20 or so million killed by the Nazi war effort in the 40's ?

 

[zyzygy]

Which millions killed are we talking about here, the Russians ? The 5-6 million starved to death in the 30's by the Bolsheviks, or the 20 or so million killed by the Nazi war effort in the 40's ?

Perhaps a glance at the title of the thread will help you with the answer.

 

[Fledermaus]

Which millions killed are we talking about here, the Russians ? The 5-6 million starved to death in the 30's by the Bolsheviks, or the 20 or so million killed by the Nazi war effort in the 40's ?

Focus...

The entire thread has been about the NAZI GERMANY SLAUGHTER OF JEWS......

 

[John V]

Re: Holocaust Denial and Minimization

The light of day is the best disinfectant. I'd be surprised if anyone comes to the table with actual proof that this or that claim about the holocaust death numbers was fabricated or otherwise falsified.

I remember speaking to an old German once. He wanted to blame Poles, Croatians, Romanians and Russians for the atrocities because, after all, the worst of it happened in those countries not Germany. Of course, he did not much like being reminded that the German occupying forces, the SS, ruled with an iron fist.

Ah yes, the numbers game. Here I come.

Original post war memorial plaque at Auschwitz
Four Million people suffered and died here at the hands of the Nazi murderers between the years 1940 and 1945.

New plaque 1990
For ever let this place be a cry of despair and a warning to humanity where the Nazis murdered about one and a half million . . .
From 4 million to 1.5, that’s rather a big drop, but the numbers myth persists. That’s not to deny what went on there, but it starts to chip away the official narrative of 6 million.

 

[zyzygy]

Re: Holocaust Denial and Minimization

Ah yes, the numbers game. Here I come.

Original post war memorial plaque at Auschwitz
Four Million people suffered and died here at the hands of the Nazi murderers between the years 1940 and 1945.

New plaque 1990
For ever let this place be a cry of despair and a warning to humanity where the Nazis murdered about one and a half million . . .
From 4 million to 1.5, that’s rather a big drop, but the numbers myth persists. That’s not to deny what went on there, but it starts to chip away the official narrative of 6 million.

How many millions would an acceptable number of murders be?

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Holocaust Denial and Minimization

Ah yes, the numbers game. Here I come.

Original post war memorial plaque at Auschwitz
Four Million people suffered and died here at the hands of the Nazi murderers between the years 1940 and 1945.

New plaque 1990
For ever let this place be a cry of despair and a warning to humanity where the Nazis murdered about one and a half million . . .
From 4 million to 1.5, that’s rather a big drop, but the numbers myth persists. That’s not to deny what went on there, but it starts to chip away the official narrative of 6 million.

So, the 6 million. where are they?

 

[John V]

Re: Holocaust Denial and Minimization

How many millions would an acceptable number of murders be?

My reply was to the comment:
'The light of day is the best disinfectant. I'd be surprised if anyone comes to the table with actual proof that this or that claim about the holocaust death numbers was fabricated or otherwise falsified.'

The figure 6 million is now so ingrained that it's accepted 'fact.' How that actual number was arrived at is anybody's guess, but it persists.

 

[calamity]

Re: Holocaust Denial and Minimization

Ah yes, the numbers game. Here I come.

Original post war memorial plaque at Auschwitz
Four Million people suffered and died here at the hands of the Nazi murderers between the years 1940 and 1945.

New plaque 1990
For ever let this place be a cry of despair and a warning to humanity where the Nazis murdered about one and a half million . . .
From 4 million to 1.5, that’s rather a big drop, but the numbers myth persists. That’s not to deny what went on there, but it starts to chip away the official narrative of 6 million.

Initially the accepted estimate of the age of the earth pegged it at around 3 Billion years. Today it is pretty much narrowed down to 4.54 +/- 0.05 Billion years.

Jewish holocaust victims have been estimated at 6 million for decades. Today, it's been narrowed down to 5.93m. Seems about consistent with how this is done to me.

The Auschwitz sign was meant to memorialize all the victims at all the camps. No one with credibility ever claimed that 6 million were killed in one camp.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Holocaust Denial and Minimization

My reply was to the comment:
'The light of day is the best disinfectant. I'd be surprised if anyone comes to the table with actual proof that this or that claim about the holocaust death numbers was fabricated or otherwise falsified.'

The figure 6 million is now so ingrained that it's accepted 'fact.' How that actual number was arrived at is anybody's guess, but it persists.

And you have any indication 6 million isn't a valid approximation?

 

[John V]

Re: Holocaust Denial and Minimization

And you have any indication 6 million isn't a valid approximation?

2,4,6,8 . . take your pick. The official version is 6, no matter what.