Natan, not to interrupt you. However when you question the official narrative of the Holocaust, you are are also going against the official narrative of the Anglo-American Empire.
It is NOT just about truth, or jews, but part of a big machine.
Or,.... it could just be about what happened.
It is happening now.
It is happening now.
Really? Where are the death camps situated?
What I mean is, zyggy, is that the event is used currently for political purposes. It is part of the western political/cultural narrative.
No. A breakdown according to method is not easy to find. And I didn't agree on the 6 million. Raul Hilberg, most established Holocaust scholar, came to little over 5.You know the answers. The figures for the Holocaust are easy to find. At least you agree that the number was six million.
No. A breakdown according to method is not easy to find. And I didn't agree on the 6 million. Raul Hilberg, most established Holocaust scholar, came to little over 5.
Exonerating the Nazis is the central tenet of "The destruction of the European Jews", mandatory reading for all Holocaust historians.That's fine then. The Nazis are exonerated.
Exonerating the Nazis is the central tenet of "The destruction of the European Jews", mandatory reading for all Holocaust historians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Destruction_of_the_European_Jews#Wide_acclamation_as_seminal
I was being sarcastic. It seems you're quite dogmatic in your views, the 6 million is an absolute truth not to be deviated from and anything goes as far as it fits the narrative.You call that exoneration?
Well duh. I'll disagree to some things though.We can agree that the Holocaust happened?
I was being sarcastic. It seems you're quite dogmatic in your views, the 6 million is an absolute truth not to be deviated from and anything goes as far as it fits the narrative.
Well duh. I'll disagree to some things though.
Lampshades out of human skin, shrunken heads, human soap, Auschwitz pool built as "fire reservoir", some other stuff.The exact number of millions is not important. Which things do you disagree with?
That there were a lot of myths associated with the Holocaust is not in dispute.Lampshades out of human skin, shrunken heads, human soap, Auschwitz pool built as "fire reservoir", some other stuff.
Wrong, people here keep telling me Höss was never tortured. Any picture evidence is Photoshopped of course.That there were a lot of myths associated with the Holocaust is not in dispute.
Auschwitz: Myths and Facts
Although it is still widely cited as solid historical evidence, this "confession" is actually a false statement obtained by torture. Some years after the war, British military intelligence sergeant Bernard Clarke described how he and five other British soldiers tortured the former commandant to obtain his "confession." Höss himself privately explained his ordeal in these words: "Certainly, I signed a statement that I killed two and half million Jews. I could just as well have said that it was five million Jews. There are certain methods by which any confession can be obtained, whether it is true or not." [10]
Wrong, people here keep telling me Höss was never tortured. Any picture evidence is Photoshopped of course.
I don't recall denying that.THe issue with the Holocaust is no one source is 100% reliable. However, the convergence of the evidence does indicate that Jews were systematically murdered, perhaps by the millions.
I don't recall denying that.
Few things in life have surprised me more than the conspiracy believers who argue that the Holocaust is a hoax or exaggeration. I guess, I just never suspected that something so black and white was open for debate.
How many of us have a grandpa who told us about the horrors he saw when he entered Germany? And those were the good camps, the ones in the West. The camps East of the Reicht were even worse. Far worse.
I guess an argument could be made that the disgusting Eastern camps were just the result of Soviet era propaganda. That the places were just work camps that the Russians put a spin on. But...
I don't buy that. Here's a good article laying out why.
BBC - History - World Wars: Denying the Holocaust
Let's move on.
In a series of interviews with Shlomo Venezia, a survivor of the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, Venezia said that the Sonderkommando units were comprised of Jews who cleaned up the gas chambers after a group of prisoners had been murdered. After its personnel dragged the corpses out of the chamber--as Venezia states, this in and of itself was an extremely disturbing process, as it was initially difficult to disentangle the bodies--the room had to be cleaned. All traces of blood and excrement had to be washed away in order to present a clean, sterile, and hence worry-free environment to the next batch of victims. After completing this task, the men of the Sonderkommando then moved through the corpses, clipping hair or pulling out gold teeth before disposing of the bodies in industrial furnaces. The expertise that the Germans acquired in carrying out mass murder was soon passed on to the men manning the Sonderkommando units.
However, Bill Armontrout, was an expert witness at the second Ernst Zundel trial in Toronto. He was warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary, which includes an execution gas chamber. He said, "One of the things that cyanide gas does, it goes in the pores of your skin. You hose the body down, see. You have to use rubber gloves, and you hose the body down to decontaminate it before you do anything else."
In court, Armontrout testified to the safety precautions that were necessary to prevent those who handled the dead criminal's body from being poisoned by the deadly HCN themselves. He said, "The ventilation fan ran for approximately one hour before two officers equipped with Scott air-packs could open the hatch of the gas chamber and remove the lead bucket containing the cyanide residue. The two officers wore rubberized disposable clothing and long rubber gloves. They hosed down the condemned man's body in the chair, paying particular attention to the hair and the clothing because of the cyanide residue, then removed him and placed him on a gurney where further decontamination took place."
I trust I don't have to explain to you what this has to do with the story of the Sonderkommando units going in and handling bodies, clipping hair, etc. So you have a problem. If the Zyklon B was weak, and known to be slow in its release, then the mass-gassings could not have occurred as you have been taught. On the other hand, if the Zyklon B was adequate to the task, and quickly released (which it wasn't), then the testimony of surviving Sonderkommandos are easily shown to be fictitious.
Complaining about me posting on a thread that a couple of posters have just posted on? Hmmm . . .
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