• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Holocaust Denial and Minimization[W:123, 876]

Status
Not open for further replies.
Anybody who denies the holocaust or even debates it's existence is just an excuse to show there bigoted nonsensical hatred of jews
 
Scott said:
You're not going to take in anyone with an IQ of over ninety with this tactic.
Suggestive question - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This question...


...assumes it's nonsense and that six million Jews did in fact die. This is like the prosecutor asking, "After you'd shot Mr. so-and-so, what did you do with the murder weapon?". The defense lawyer would say, "Objection - that's a presumptuous question", or something like that and the judge would say, "Objection sustained".


Tactics such as this are used by sophists who don't even believe their own arguments. If someone seriously addresses post #668,...
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...d-minimization-w-123-a-67.html#post1064604256

...I'll come back and discuss it. You're just playing silly games here.
Click to expand...
Why do you hate Jews?
 
1. Do you have a link to a source more objective than the IHR for evidence of this supposed change?

2. If the Holocaust death numbers were fabricated completely, why would scholars change the numbers? If anything, a change in numbers indicates that there is a genuinely honest process going on to discover the truth.

3. I believe the six million number was derived from the drop in total Jewish population in Europe. As such, fluctuation in the numbers at one camp wouldn't necessarily affect the total number dead.
Click to expand...
I just have a minute right now but I googled around and found this.
https://socioecohistory.wordpress.c...number-of-holocaust-dead-drop-to-2-8-million/

I'll look for more later.


By the way; what do you think of this excerpt from the above link?
-----------------------------------------------
JEWISH SCHOLARS DENY SOAP, LAMPSHADES HORROR STORIES
At the end of the war it was claimed that the Dachau and Bergen-Belsen camps in Germany (from where the horrific pictures of scores of dead bodies emanated) had operating gas chambers; and that in camps in Poland, Jews had been killed in “steam chambers” or had been skinned to make lamp shades, gloves and their body fat made into soap.

All of these horror stories have in the subsequent years been refuted by all serious scholars, including the leading Jewish scholar on the issue, Raul Hilberg (who in 1998 was a Professor of Political Science at the University of Vermont, and author of the world famous book “The Destruction of the European Jews“).
 
Last edited:
JFish123 said:
Anybody who denies the holocaust or even debates it's existence is just an excuse to show there bigoted nonsensical hatred of jews
Click to expand...

I'm not understanding if the debate is about the fact that it happened or not or the actual number. If it's the former, there is no debate, my family history is evidence that it happened (not to mention the overwhelming other evidence), if it's the latter it's not a valid issue. It doesn't matter if millions of innocent people were senselessly brutalized and massacred or hundreds, genocide is still genocide. Genocide still happens today, the US government (among others) makes sure of that.
 
MadLib said:
Again, I don't care about your opinion of the strangeness of the six million number since it is unrelated to the veracity or lack thereof of the Holocaust.
Click to expand...

The figure of six million Jews threatened by death was widely publicized before, during and after WWI and was used as a means to an end: namely the uncritical support of Jewish and Zionist political goals. And for fund raising. Huge amounts of money, from Jews and non-Jews alike, much of which, in typical shyster fashion, ended up being misappropriated. Felix Warburg, of the Warburg banking family (very Jewish of course) was the main culprit in this regard.

The intensity of the propaganda was because they thought they would get Palestine immediately after the war - ie with the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, and they had to "condition" the world to the six million figure, because of the prophecy, as pointed out earlier.

no one claims that all six million Jews were killed in the gas chambers.
Click to expand...

That was the preferred if not the main method of execution, or so the story goes:

"German Extermination Camps or Death Camps were designed and built by Nazi Germany during World War II (1939–45) to systematically kill millions, primarily by gassing..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp
 
shanners said:
The figure of six million Jews threatened by death was widely publicized before, during and after WWI and was used as a means to an end: namely the uncritical support of Jewish and Zionist political goals. And for fund raising. Huge amounts of money, from Jews and non-Jews alike, much of which, in typical shyster fashion, ended up being misappropriated. Felix Warburg, of the Warburg banking family (very Jewish of course) was the main culprit in this regard.

The intensity of the propaganda was because they thought they would get Palestine immediately after the war - ie with the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, and they had to "condition" the world to the six million figure, because of the prophecy, as pointed out earlier.
Click to expand...
I'm not going to waste my time arguing this. Your connect the dots game does nothing to disprove the six million number - nothing. If you want to start your own thread discussing weird Talmudic prophecies and evil Jewish propaganda, go ahead, but this thread is specifically dedicated to denial of the extent and nature of the Holocaust.



That was the preferred if not the main method of execution, or so the story goes:

"German Extermination Camps or Death Camps were designed and built by Nazi Germany during World War II (1939–45) to systematically kill millions, primarily by gassing..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp
Click to expand...

I don't think that even the most exaggerated Soviet propaganda ever claimed that six million Jews were marched straight into the gas chambers at Auschwitz. You still have to account for the ghettos, the death squads, and the combination of slave labor and starvation rations inside the camp.
 
MadLib said:
I'm not going to waste my time arguing this. Your connect the dots game does nothing to disprove the six million number - nothing. If you want to start your own thread discussing weird Talmudic prophecies and evil Jewish propaganda, go ahead, but this thread is specifically dedicated to denial of the extent and nature of the Holocaust.


I don't think that even the most exaggerated Soviet propaganda ever claimed that six million Jews were marched straight into the gas chambers at Auschwitz. You still have to account for the ghettos, the death squads, and the combination of slave labor and starvation rations inside the camp.
Click to expand...

Shanners ignores the fact that death by Carbon Monoxide is death by gas.

I wonder if Shanners believes the numbers are too few or not enough....
 
KokomoJojo said:
So you think all those the Jews in the interview that are talking about drinking beer, swimming in that olympic pool, going to the camp theater, and library, orchestras, childrens plays, playing soccer WITH the SS, and even musicians that went from barracks to barracks are ANTISEMETIC because you got your story wrong?

No one is talking about a conspiracy here, its about what they did in the camp, or are you claiming the jews in that interview are conspiring against erroneous opinion is a conspiracy?
Click to expand...

So is this supposed to be some elite Jews or are you claiming that the Holocaust was a vacation?
 
Scott said:
You're trying to mislead those viewers who haven't looked at the last few pages.

Hey viewers...

Make sure you read my posts starting here up until this page.
Click to expand...

You REALLY can't answer a question with anything resembling an actual answer.

This changes the six million killed by the Hitler regime how?
 
Fledermaus said:
You REALLY can't answer a question with anything resembling an actual answer.

This changes the six million killed by the Hitler regime how?
Click to expand...

Six million posts by Scott will not change history.
 
MadLib said:
Your connect the dots game does nothing to disprove the six million number
Click to expand...

Where did I claim it did? I'm simply pointing out that the propaganda to this effect began long before the Nazis came to power. Any unbiased observer would treat this as suspicious to say the least.

And in my previous, while I did mention the scammer Felix Warburg, I forgot to add that this was actually the start of the reparations racket that is still going on today: "There's no business like shoa business!"

If you want to start your own thread discussing weird Talmudic prophecies and evil Jewish propaganda, go ahead, but this thread is specifically dedicated to denial of the extent and nature of the Holocaust.
Click to expand...

I disagree. I think this is the place for it.
 
shanners said:
I disagree. I think this is the place for it.
Click to expand...

It's really not. The Zionists (LOL) could have lied six million times about times when six million Jews died and that wouldn't change something that the vast majority of historical scholars - Zionists and non-Zionists alike - accept as true.

In any case, The Zionists wouldn't need to fake a genocide in order to gain international sympathy for a Jewish state. Most Holocaust deniers don't seem to deny that slave labor was used in the camps, or that pogroms had occurred in pre-Bolshevik Russia, or that self-serving French army officers attempted to scapegoat Alfred Dreyfus for espionage and treason. The prevalence and dangerousness of anti-Semitism is clear, even if we were to assume that the Holocaust was exaggerated.
 
Fledermaus said:
On a phone.

Summary please.
Click to expand...

Don't bother. They call come from a worthless conspiracy theory message board that actually has an entire sub-forum dedicated to the Protocols of Zion, as if this was a legitimate document. That should tell you how much value Scot's links have. None.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Don't bother. They call come from a worthless conspiracy theory message board that actually has an entire sub-forum dedicated to the Protocols of Zion, as if this was a legitimate document. That should tell you how much value Scot's links have. None.
Click to expand...

Interesting that the vast majority of Scott's argument is "watch this video/Read this conspiracy carp"
 
MILLIONS of Jews went to the camps.

Where did they end up?
Click to expand...
I'm not in a position to know the exact answer to that but a lot of them died of typhus and starvation. Some of them were probably summarily executed for sabotage in the arms factories. Most of them probably just went home.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...hing-learned-ww-ii-lie-22.html#post1064628843

Friedrich Paul Berg's "NaziGassings.com"
(excerpt)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
9) The numbers of “holocaust survivors” are enormous—even today. The numbers are well into the hundreds of thousands even sixty years after the war. In 2003 an Israeli demographer, Sergio Della Pergola, stated in an official Israeli report that there were 1.092,000 Jewish holocaust survivors alive in the world in 2003. Those huge numbers imply that there were many millions of Jewish “holocaust survivors” alive at the very end of the war. Moreover, many YouTube videos from “survivors” give personal details about how fiendish Nazis kept multitudes of Jews alive for many months, even years inspite of a supposed policy of extermination. Why would the Nazis have done that if they were trying to “exterminate” the Jews? Did they want hundreds of thousands of Jewish “eyewitnesses” to help hang them after the war? The alleged crematoria-gas chambers at Birkenau, for example, were in full, open view of nearly every inmate there. Why even bother with concentration camps if the goal is to exterminate people?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom