Holocaust cartoon exhibit kicks off in Tehran

[akyron]

Boring?...I think NOT....


http://www.springbreaksolutions.com/images/girls gone wild.jpg

GGW in Tehran anyone? Some clerics would flip over that one.

 

[2ManyQuestions]

I found about seven images from the exhibit. The pictures are pretty small, but it's better than nothing. If I find more, I'll post them. I honestly can't make out much, except Hitler dressed as Uncle Sam. http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/081406holocaustexbt/im:/060814/ids_photos_wl/r2707838167.jpg

EDIT: I think I found a better site: http://www.irancartoon.com/110/contest/index3.htm

Here you can see these cartoons clearly. I believe this is the original website for this Contest. I don't have too much time to look through it all.

 

[MSgt]

So have you actually seen the cartoons? Hard to believe that it's proof rather than faith then.

The one you actually get to see doesn't seem to directly relate to the holocaust, although it's definitely anti-Israeli in nature. The one that they describe is rather odd to me:

"One cartoon by Indonesian Tony Thomdean shows the Statue of Liberty holding a book on the Holocaust in its left hand and giving a Nazi-style salute with the other."

So is he trying to say America is fascist for supporting Israel? Does this cartoon promote or condemn National Socialism?

Try not to read too deeply into it. This is just simple childish revenge and religious perversion at it's best. It's best to just place logic aside and roll your eyes.

 

[2ManyQuestions]

Here Masoud Shojai explains why this exhibit is taking place:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060814/wl_mideast_afp/iranmediaholocaust_060814195621

"We staged this fair to explore the limits of freedom Westerners believe in," Masoud Shojai, head of the country's "Iran Cartoon" association and the fair organizer, said.

"They can freely write anything they like about our prophet, but if one raises doubts about the Holocaust he is either fined or sent to prison," he added.

"Though we do not deny that fact that Jews were killed in the (second world) war, why should the Palestinians pay for it?" Shojai told the opening ceremony of the month-long fair in Tehran's Palestine Contemporary Art Museum.

From looking at the cartoons (check the last link in my post above. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't), it seems to me that they're trying to say that Israel and America are present day's Nazis who kill Palestinians, the way Hitler was killing the Jews during WW II.

If they want to express their views on the situation, more power to them. I've seen worse/more offensive cartoons come out of the U.S. I'm not shocked or surprised by the fact that Iran would find a way to demonize Jews. Honestly, is anyone surprised?

 

[MSgt]

Here Masoud Shojai explains why this exhibit is taking place:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060814/wl_mideast_afp/iranmediaholocaust_060814195621



From looking at the cartoons (check the last link in my post above. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't), it seems to me that they're trying to say that Israel and America are present day's Nazis who kill Palestinians, the way Hitler was killing the Jews during WW II.

If they want to express their views on the situation, more power to them. I've seen worse/more offensive cartoons come out of the U.S. I'm not shocked or surprised by the fact that Iran would find a way to demonize Jews. Honestly, is anyone surprised?

Sadly, many are and many more refuse to even see what this culture is. (Too un PC). The perversion of truth and outright deception upon the Muslim masses by their Muslim leaders is clearly summed up right here..

"They can freely write anything they like about our prophet, but if one raises doubts about the Holocaust he is either fined or sent to prison," he (Masoud Shojai) added.

....I know of no law that imprisons or even fines individuals for their sentiments about the holocaust. Of course tens of millions of Muslims in the Middle East now believe there is.

The Muslim masses in the Middle East have an excuse. They are kept from the truth through a designed web of religious influence and oppression. We in the west have an unlimited access to the free flow of information. What excuse do some of our civilizational members have for walking around in the dark still?

 

[RightOfCenter]

Journalists like anybody else should know not all things are funny, or could ever be, like the Holocaust. Now making fun of Hitler would be funny, but possibly not. I just don't think hardly any of it could be funny.

Well, then I'm sorry to say that you don't have much of a sense of humor. Anything and everything can and should be made fun of, no matter how offensive or disgusting people seem to think it is, it's just that some things are more funny than others.

Most funny stuff is at someone's expense. It's making fun of someone.

Is there something wrong with that?

 

[MSgt]

Well, then I'm sorry to say that you don't have much of a sense of humor. Anything and everything can and should be made fun of, no matter how offensive or disgusting people seem to think it is, it's just that some things are more funny than others.


Is there something wrong with that?

Child molestation?

 

[Captain America]

Germany is sending observers to Madonna concert to see first hand if her performance offends the religious. She could very well be arrested if it is deemed offensive.

Something like that is unheard of here in the Land of the Free.

America ROCKS!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4797151.stm

 

[Captain America]

Child molestation?

NOT funny. Period.....




Although, not too long ago, a guy I know was cracking wise and said, "I like my girls clean shaven and bald "down there." I just hate putting their diapers back on."

He thought he was funny. I didn't.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Child molestation?

I'll take it you've never heard of the Aristocrats joke.

It is the most disgusting joke the world has ever known.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Germany is sending observers to Madonna concert to see first hand if her performance offends the religious. She could very well be arrested if it is deemed offensive.

Something like that is unheard of here in the Land of the Free.

America ROCKS!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4797151.stm

I just want her arrested because she sucks.... LOL Not to mention her changing accent should be looked into

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I'll take it you've never heard of the Aristocrats joke.

It is the most disgusting joke the world has ever known.

So this guy walks into a talent agency and says "You've got to see this act.... so the wife starts jerking off the dog... swims through a vat of aborted fetuses... violates parole..... then Tom Hanks shows up... slip and slide of splooge.... and they take a bow."

So the talent agent asks, what do you call that?

The aristocrats....

 

[cascadian]

....I know of no law that imprisons or even fines individuals for their sentiments about the holocaust. Of course tens of millions of Muslims in the Middle East now believe there is.

The Muslim masses in the Middle East have an excuse. They are kept from the truth through a designed web of religious influence and oppression. We in the west have an unlimited access to the free flow of information. What excuse do some of our civilizational members have for walking around in the dark still?

It seems you are still in the dark yourself.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4733820.stm

Try researching something before making pronouncements on ignorance about it.

 

[Marilyn Monroe]

Well, then I'm sorry to say that you don't have much of a sense of humor. Anything and everything can and should be made fun of, no matter how offensive or disgusting people seem to think it is, it's just that some things are more funny than others.


Is there something wrong with that?

Some cartoons are propaganda, and I think it can be wrong. Not all cartoons are meant to be funny. Some of this stuff sounds like it was meant to be something else, not funny.

I have a very good sense of humor. Thank you! I'm more careful what I laugh at now than I used to. I guess it's maturity. I laugh a lot though, and often. Usually at the TV, and it's mostly ficticious stuff.

 

[RightOfCenter]

Child molestation?

Do you watch South Park? I would invite you to watch the episode involving NAMBLA. Cartman wants older friends and hilarity ensues.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

Well since our own press didn't have the sack to actually show the original cartoons. I think we should have a mohamad cartoon day. Freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Lets put both to the test and really see if it exsists

 

[RightOfCenter]

Some cartoons are propaganda, and I think it can be wrong. Not all cartoons are meant to be funny. Some of this stuff sounds like it was meant to be something else, not funny.

Politcal cartoons are meant to be both. They are exagerations of what the artist sees as the truth and he's trying to get his audience to laugh and think at the same time.

I have a very good sense of humor. Thank you! I'm more careful what I laugh at now than I used to. I guess it's maturity. I laugh a lot though, and often. Usually at the TV, and it's mostly ficticious stuff.

You're more careful about what you laugh at? How can you be careful about what's funny to you? I can see not thinking something is funny, but if a person thinks something is funny they should be able to laugh their asses off about it and not hold back, like many pc nuts think they should.

 

[RightOfCenter]

Well since our own press didn't have the sack to actually show the original cartoons. I think we should have a mohamad cartoon day. Freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Lets put both to the test and really see if it exsists

YES! We need a day to say whatever the hell we want without worrying about lawsuits from pc nutjobs.

 

[MSgt]

It seems you are still in the dark yourself.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4733820.stm

Try researching something before making pronouncements on ignorance about it.

Speaking of jokes...

Let's break this down...

You declare that I have made pronouncements based on ignorance.....after I clearly stated...."I know of no law...." This pretty much leaves it open for someone (like yourself) to provide me a little insight. But, of course, you wrecked this chance to actually carry on a conversation by trying to be sarcastic, but falling on your face instead. And then when you actually do produce some insight..it is the well known exception case. What is this western law that imprisons people for denying the holocaust you speak of?

As far as what I wrote...it is fact. It is hardly ignorance and if you possessed the intellect to peer into this culture to see it for what it is, you would see it. The culture in the Middle East is very much enslaved to the preachings of their fanatical religious leaders. They are susceptable to any lie and to any deception. They do not have the opportunity to flip channels form one news source to the next. They do not have the freedom to read any thing they want. They do not have the priviledge of knowing what life outside of religious oppression is.

After all the death threats from the Iranian government....after all the BS started by Hezbollah...after all the BS started by Hamas...after all the cries of "victory" by Hezbollah...after all the riots and murders over a cartoon....after pathetic Iranian art exhibits to glorify a genocide.....after decades of Islamic terrorist activity...after witnessing murder after murder between Muslim sects...and after listening to the typical impractical and unattainable demands by Islamic religious leaders in exchange for peace....you still do not possess the strength to stare at this region and identify it for what it is? Let me guess....you still think Iran should possess nukes if they want to...right?

Why is that there are a few individuals on this site that seem to go out of there way to trip me up? Try harder.

 

[cascadian]

You declare that I have made pronouncements based on ignorance.....after I clearly stated...."I know of no law...." This pretty much leaves it open for someone (like yourself) to provide me a little insight.

Well if you hadn't addressed other people's lack of knowlege without having any yourself then I would just simply provided the link. You could have simply said "I know of no law" and left it that, but no, you had to go further and make yourself look silly. If want to imply that people are getting their facts wrong, you have to know what the facts are in the first place.
You asked:

What excuse do some of our civilizational members have for walking around in the dark still?

I suggest you hold yourself to that standard before you criticize others.

What is this western law that imprisons people for denying the holocaust you speak of?

Are you still doubting? Here's a good starting place.

From the link:
"Holocaust denial is illegal in eleven European countries: Austria (article 3h Verbotsgesetz 1947), Belgium (Belgian Negationism Law), the Czech Republic under section 261, France (Loi Gayssot), Germany (§ 130 (3) of the penal code) also the Auschwitzlüge law section 185, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain and Switzerland (article 261bis of the Penal Code). In addition, under Law 5710-1950 it is also illegal in Israel.

The following punishments are used with regards to Holocaust Denial Laws: Austria (min: six months, max: twenty years (violent), ten years (non-violent)), Belgium (min: fine, max: one year), Czech Republic (min: six months, max: two years), France (min: fine/one month, max: two years), Germany (min: fine/six months max: five years), Israel (min: one year, max: five years), Lithuania (min: fine/two years, max: ten years (violent)), Poland (min: fine/three months, max: three years), Romania (min: six months, max: three years (public offender), five years (public servant offender)), Slovakia (min: fine/one month, max: three years) and Switzerland (min: fine/one year, max: fifteen months)."

you still do not possess the strength to stare at this region and identify it for what it is? Let me guess....you still think Iran should possess nukes if they want to...right?

You obviously never listened to what I've been saying. You've been arguing with straw men.

 

[MSgt]

Well if you hadn't addressed other people's lack of knowlege without having any yourself then I would just simply provided the link. You could have simply said "I know of no law" and left it that, but no, you had to go further and make yourself look silly. If want to imply that people are getting their facts wrong, you have to know what the facts are in the first place.

I suggest you hold yourself to that standard before you criticize others.

So....by me stating that our civilization is full of people who deny the facts of this culture and are "in the dark" despite the freedom of unrestricted information...you infer that I meant that the member that produced this article to begin with was incorrect? Let's not attempt to back peddle now. And certainly let's not start a discussion on "standards." If you look more closer you will clearly see that I didn't call this member ignorant and used the information inside the article to further my point of the ignorance within the Middle East. I referred very clearly to the Middle Eastern culture. "Silly" is what you attempted to turn my post into. "Silly" is the manner in which you typically responded. I've come to expect it from you so it's no big deal.

Are you still doubting? Here's a good starting place.

From the link:
"Holocaust denial is illegal in eleven European countries: Austria (article 3h Verbotsgesetz 1947), Belgium (Belgian Negationism Law), the Czech Republic under section 261, France (Loi Gayssot), Germany (§ 130 (3) of the penal code) also the Auschwitzlüge law section 185, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain and Switzerland (article 261bis of the Penal Code). In addition, under Law 5710-1950 it is also illegal in Israel.

The following punishments are used with regards to Holocaust Denial Laws: Austria (min: six months, max: twenty years (violent), ten years (non-violent)), Belgium (min: fine, max: one year), Czech Republic (min: six months, max: two years), France (min: fine/one month, max: two years), Germany (min: fine/six months max: five years), Israel (min: one year, max: five years), Lithuania (min: fine/two years, max: ten years (violent)), Poland (min: fine/three months, max: three years), Romania (min: six months, max: three years (public offender), five years (public servant offender)), Slovakia (min: fine/one month, max: three years) and Switzerland (min: fine/one year, max: fifteen months)."

Um...and? Where is my doubt? Europe has laws, although off hand, I would have merely stated about five countries had them. It's common knowledge. It is also common knowledge that these laws are rarely activated except for in extreme cases. Hence my statement of the "exception" you produced. However, as reported to the Muslim world...the west has laws. We are their enemy...not Europe and we are the scapegoat for such irresponsible statements made by Islamic leaders. To the Middle East...the "West" is America. Again...what is this western law that imprisons individuals for denying the holocaust? I still know of no law.

You obviously never listened to what I've been saying. You've been arguing with straw men.

What you "say" is always based on a headline written by reporters who can't tell the difference between a Sunni and a Shi'ite. This one chance you had to produce these laws for contribution and you blew it with sarcastic comment and you tripped over it. I have no idea what you mean by straw men. Fact is fact and reality is reality. Straw men are for partisan slaves. Is this where I state that you argue with complete ignorance of this culture? Or are we through turning this into one of your personal problems?

 

[cascadian]

If you look more closer you will clearly see that I didn't call this member ignorant and used the information inside the article to further my point of the ignorance within the Middle East. I referred very clearly to the Middle Eastern culture.

Yes I realized you were addressing ignorance in the Middle East as well certain unnamed people in "the west" that were still "in the dark" (not necessarily that member).

It's common knowledge. It is also common knowledge that these laws are rarely activated except for in extreme cases. Hence my statement of the "exception" you produced. However, as reported to the Muslim world...the west has laws. We are their enemy...not Europe and we are the scapegoat for such irresponsible statements made by Islamic leaders. To the Middle East...the "West" is America. Again...what is this western law that imprisons individuals for denying the holocaust? I still know of no law.

Ok so now you're claiming that "the West" is just a blanket term for the US so I need to come up with a US law that punishes holocaust deniers? But even this doesn't pass a cursory examination. Why for example did they boycott Danish goods and burn Danish embassies in response to the Mohammed cartoons if they only get mad at the US?

What you "say" is always based on a headline written by reporters who can't tell the difference between a Sunni and a Shi'ite.

? !! So when I quote parts of an article and refer to it in my posts am I just lucky or am I psychic? LOL!

I have no idea what you mean by straw men. Fact is fact and reality is reality.

Well here's a good link on it if you care edify yourself.

Straw men are for partisan slaves.

I couldn't have set you up better myself. :mrgreen: But seriously, the tendency shows up for a lot of reasons on all sides of the political spectrum.

Is this where I state that you argue with complete ignorance of this culture?

So what exactly are your qualifications for making your sweeping statements about Middle Eastern culture? Is it that you read Anne Coulter regularly?

 

[MSgt]

And round and round we go. Don't you ever get tired of this?...

Ok so now you're claiming that "the West" is just a blanket term for the US so I need to come up with a US law that punishes holocaust deniers? But even this doesn't pass a cursory examination. Why for example did they boycott Danish goods and burn Danish embassies in response to the Mohammed cartoons if they only get mad at the US?

I don't claim it. They claim it. The definition of the West in the Middle East very much means America and "everyone that does our bidding." Israel isn't to blame for what it does..."America pulls the strings." Europe is merely and extension of the "Great Satan." After all, it is our culture that introduced freedom and "sin" into the world. (I realize you don't understand the Islamic faith in the Middle East and I don't mean that as insult - just stop taking my posts as simple un-studied opinions). To the Middle East, the "West" is anybody that has anything to do with the American way of life, but we are the heart of that term. It's only because of our direct involvement in the Middle East in the absence of our "allies" to protect their oil interests and Israel that we are the scapegoat for their problems. Perhaps I should have been more clear in my post.

Who said they "only" get mad at the U.S.? This is hardly what has been discussed and hardly what I said. However, I'm sure you remember that along with Danish flags being burned...anti-American sentiments in Pakistan and Egypt accompanied it. Yet...we didn't print the cartoons.

? !! So when I quote parts of an article and refer to it in my posts am I just lucky or am I psychic? LOL!

?!! I don't have a clue what you are talking about. You use articles and pass off understanding of culture. So far, I haven't seen much luck in this. What opinionated article told you that Iran should be allowed to have nuclear capabilities if it wanted? What good does reading an article on a terrorist when there is no basic understanding of terrorism or the culture from where the individual comes? What good does reading an article on the situation with Hezbollah and passing off opinions on Lebanese deaths without the understanding of Islamic terror organizations or it's roots? There is far more to this issue than just words in a headline or an article.

Well here's a good link on it if you care edify yourself.

Yeah, I know what a straw man argument is. It is based on lies. Except what you take as lies is really your own ignorance into this world. Don't worry. It's not just you. America is full of this ignorance. Let me guess...your interest in the Middle East came after 9/11. Or perhaps you haven't an interest at all and merely have opinions for the day.

I couldn't have set you up better myself. :mrgreen: But seriously, the tendency shows up for a lot of reasons on all sides of the political spectrum.

Don't flatter yourself. I'm not the one walking around in the dark taking headlines for wisdom. You had a chance to contribute and couldn't do it without sarcasm because of petty past grievances. A partisan slave is one who pushes Party ideals above everything. A partisan slave is one who ignorantly chooses to blame a single President for all that is wrong. A partisan slave is one who excepts that all decisions by a politician are correct. Perhaps you should spend more time reading my posts from event to event instead of looking for ways to appease your personal vendettas carried over from other threads.

So what exactly are your qualifications for making your sweeping statements about Middle Eastern culture? Is it that you read Anne Coulter regularly?

Way to show your ***. Never read her. Anne Coulter is an enslaved internal political figure. She knows as much about the Middle East as people who hail from a fantasized country in the U.S. I might as well read a book from Clinton. My focus for over a decade has been the Middle East...not the internal political slaveries of our country (oops..I mean my country...you live in "Cascadia."). Let's dispense with my experiences and study into this matter. All you'll do is accuse me of proffessing myself as an "expert." It's the natural default position of people after they realize that I'm not just another couch commando spewing the opinions fed by television.

 

[The face of Jacob]

 

[2ManyQuestions]

So....by me stating that our civilization is full of people who deny the facts of this culture and are "in the dark" despite the freedom of unrestricted information...you infer that I meant that the member that produced this article to begin with was incorrect?

Just to clear things up, your response to my post was not offensive in any way, form, or fashion. I understand exactly what you meant to say.

For those of you who never saw the Danish cartoons that started it all, you can see them here: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11216508/ Scroll down to the middle, and click on "Photo -- View the Cartoons that Started it all".