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History Lesson as to why guns are the problem. (1 Viewer)

Bodi said:
Conservative Gun Nuts fail to understand history and the damage that the 2nd Amendment has caused... but they don't care. They are Nuts.




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Thank god you didn't regurgitate an idiotic argument that has been fully debunked a million times.....

Now tell us about all the damage that the internal combustion engine has caused.
 
medi said:
Your question could be misinterpreted, but I still decided to take a quick look.

I am glad you posted that, because I was not aware of the following:



That is from here:

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Shootings and violence

Up until a few years ago, Sweden was counted among the European countries with relatively low levels of homicide. However, the homicide rate has increased in Sweden, and is now higher than that of many other countries in the EU. The increase in Sweden is primarily linked to an increase in gun...
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And I suppose a Wikipedia entry that was #2 on that search page result would be okay to add here:

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Gun violence in Sweden - Wikipedia

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Now why I wrote that maybe a misinterpretation took place as I digested what you wrote, is I sensed you were in some manner "hinting" that there are fewer firearms and deaths by firearms in Sweden, than in the United States of A. Please forgive me, if I am/was wrong.
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No one here thinks that making hand guns freely available in Sweden would decrease the murder rate.

About ten days ago three young men were shot dead in Uppsala, 7 miles from where I type. All were drug gang members, the alleged 16 year old shooter is also a gang member. The overwhelming majority of murders in Sweden are gang related.
 
Noodlegawd said:
Thank god you didn't regurgitate an idiotic argument that has been fully debunked a million times.....

Now tell us about all the damage that the internal combustion engine has caused.
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Yeah it's a pretty dumb argument. Everybody in the past just thought that they were at the peak of technology and no more advancements would ever come.
 
CLAX1911 said:
No I consider you using this as a pretense to steal away human rights as emotional manipulation.

That's exactly what every dictator does.
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At last! Your second sentence makes a fair point.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Well what they're saying by saying you can't use this to defend yourself is that it can be used against you.

It doesn't matter how warm and cuddly they are right now. Every single tyrant came to power with promises of a warm cuddliness.
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Live your life in fear... your choice.



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Bodi said:
Conservative Gun Nuts fail to understand history and the damage that the 2nd Amendment has caused... but they don't care. They are Nuts.
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When the discussion is begun with stereotyping, it is very difficult to assume there will be an intelligent exchange of views. And when an image such as we see in the OP is so - - - well, it strikes one that racial issues are to be introduced at some point in the discussion, which is simply more stereotyping.

It used to be back in the 50s and 60s in the United States that the Democratic Party was working hard to break down stereotyping, and being quite successful at that. But that very success has become a problem for the Democratic Party and so they have had to create new issues based upon stereotyping, as was done with the first three words of this thread.

Is a law enforcement officer a "Conservative Gun Nut"? If not, then why not be clear from the start that a certain group of U.S. citizens may not actually be in that particular group offered in those first three words?

If you are including law enforcement as being "Conservative Gun Nuts" you have a considerable problem here . . .

By the way, Bodi, is it legal to own firearms in New Zealand?

One more point on this topic, there are excellent laws in Australia regarding the owning of firearms and I could support a close look at those laws for possible copying in all U.S. states. BUT if ALL that wish to own a firearm are viewed as "Conservative Gun Nuts" by strong political forces within a given nation, there is nothing but bad-bad-bad trouble down that path.
 
Sweden said:
No one here thinks that making hand guns freely available in Sweden would decrease the murder rate.
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I don't think it would have any effect on the murder rate it's just most people murdered would be murdered with firearms versus whatever else.

It's not a compelling argument to say people should be murdered with knives or blunt objects or being run over by vehicles.
Sweden said:
About ten days ago three young men were shot dead in Uppsala, 7 miles from where I type. All were drug gang members, the alleged 16 year old shooter is also a gang member. The overwhelming majority of murders in Sweden are gang related.
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What exactly the same in the US. And it seems somebody shooting somebody you suggests that gun control doesn't work at least the swedish iteration gangsters have them because they don't obey the law which is kind of a stupid reason to make this law.

If the government wasn't profoundly incompetent at everything they did anything banned wouldn't exist.
 
Sweden said:
At last! Your second sentence makes a fair point.
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My first one does too.

If you have no right to self-defense equal or preferably greater than that of anyone who's attacking you you have no rights at all. All I have to do is say I want your car is smash your head in and take it.
 
medi said:
When the discussion is begun with stereotyping, it is very difficult to assume there will be an intelligent exchange of views.
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Then come up with some intelligent responses to counter my intelligent OP.


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Sweden said:
No one here thinks that making hand guns freely available in Sweden would decrease the murder rate.

About ten days ago three young men were shot dead in Uppsala, 7 miles from where I type. All were drug gang members, the alleged 16 year old shooter is also a gang member. The overwhelming majority of murders in Sweden are gang related.
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Thank you for using that vocabulary "freely available" because with that you are allowing some here to voice the view that an open border allows for that to happen; we do not know who is bringing weapons into the country.

You see, the problem is compounded.

BUT, I did not see the opinion written in this thread that weapons of any type should be "freely" handed out. Did you see something I have missed?
 
Bodi said:
Then come up with some intelligent responses to counter my intelligent OP.
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Am I to understand that the question I posed to you concerning law enforcement officers is not worthy of an answer?
 
CLAX1911 said:
I'm not the one having to live in a Nerf world my big mommy government protects me from the scary scary bang bangs.
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Whatever the hell that means... good luck with that No Gun Phobia. Maybe just dreaming of shooting things ... nobody really cares.


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medi said:
Am I to understand that the question I posed to you concerning law enforcement officers is not worthy of an answer?
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After you insult my post as an intro I wouldn't waste a second reading the rest of your post to see if it becomes reasonable. That is just me though.



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Bodi said:
Whatever the hell that means...
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It means what it says. Do you lose the ability to understand English once has something you don't like?
Bodi said:
good luck with that No Gun Phobia. Maybe just dreaming of shooting things ... nobody really cares.
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I'd rather have rights.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
I did watch it. It was ****ing stupid.
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You didn't watch it, but you know that it was stupid.

Thanks for illustrating your intellectual capabilities...


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CLAX1911 said:
It means what it says. Do you lose the ability to understand English once has something you don't like?

I'd rather have rights.
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Don't give a shit...

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