History Channel and Popular Mechanics Hijacked...No Pun Intended

[creativedreams]

The History Channel and Popular Mechanics Magazine were hijacked...no pun intended.

I want to devote this thread into researching the evolution of propaganda and how propaganda has always been the key to keep a certain perspective in the hearts and minds of the masses.

Let's look at how propaganda has evolved from the old speakers in the prison camps to todays Media and possibly even posters on the internet.

While we're at it we can research the role of the CIA and its possible role in the propaganda perception control of the masses.

 

[Zinc Route]

***** YOU left out the breakdown that I believe would show that most in charge in network news are Political/Cultural Liberals & that most 9/11 Truthers are Far from Conservative. Most disguise themselves as Libertarians which BTW was the Jorney various Leftists had in gravitating over to Ron Paul in 2008.

 

[creativedreams]

***** YOU left out the breakdown that I believe would show that most in charge in network news are Political/Cultural Liberals & that most 9/11 Truthers are Far from Conservative. Most disguise themselves as Libertarians which BTW was the Jorney various Leftists had in gravitating over to Ron Paul in 2008.

It is becoming increasingly clear to many Americans that the so called "News" Channels are nothing more than propaganda beacons for the two main political parties and crush the image of any third party trying to be President.

I would like to see some research by the citizens to see how Media can be used to influence the opinions of the masses in a discreet way on many issues.

I have some very good specific examples of Media being controlled on what stories they are to show or even more common not to show because it may change the opinions of the masses.

I will be back when I put it together......

 

[Zinc Route]

**** Let me start you out with one. Go back to CBS Nightly News with Dan Rather between early 2004 and well into 2005. They ran the same footage of the same US body being lifted over the same Baghdad highway guardrail numerous times - at least 150 and various afffiliates ran with it MANY times. CBS Morning Show had it dozens of times.

***** Much of this was part of their effort to help out in the 2004 Election.

 

[kansaswhig]

Yeah, damn all those scientists that HC and PM hired to do that research!

They could have just asked Alex Jones and Dylan Avery! The real experts!

 

[creativedreams]

**** Let me start you out with one. Go back to CBS Nightly News with Dan Rather between early 2004 and well into 2005. They ran the same footage of the same US body being lifted over the same Baghdad highway guardrail numerous times - at least 150 and various afffiliates ran with it MANY times. CBS Morning Show had it dozens of times.

***** Much of this was part of their effort to help out in the 2004 Election.

Before I start here I want to state that I am Republican and actually support the wars for many logical reasons and I also encourage something being done with Iran to help out both us and Israel with security.

I just call a spade a spade...

Anyways both my brothers are high ranking military officers and one talks a little about Media manipulations with camera angles on protests etc that he has witnessed.

I find it quite interesting that clearly the News is no longer unbiased and quite likely a propaganda vehicle for many opinion changing issues.

What disturbs me is how much News coverage some guy gets that starts his crotch on fire on a plane.......this is being used as propaganda to increase government control on the masses in the guise of our own security.

 

[Zinc Route]

**** He got on that plane in Amsterdam because of Human error. Also because we shy away from profiling (though it does go on) and therefore subject Millions to inconvenience or worse because we worry about the rights of a few who in many cases are deserving of little - possibly just a quick departure from this country or Internment.

***** I'm still waiting to hear what Consulate or Embassy got his Visa for him.

 

[Oftencold]

. . .
I find it quite interesting that clearly the News is no longer unbiased and quite likely a propaganda vehicle for many opinion changing issues. . ..

Perhaps what you need to consider, is that the news has always been biased (it has.) And what that says about the choices the electorate has made in the last century, based on the absurd myth of journalism practiced in the absence of a point of view.

 

[creativedreams]

**** He got on that plane in Amsterdam because of Human error. Also because we shy away from profiling (though it does go on) and therefore subject Millions to inconvenience or worse because we worry about the rights of a few who in many cases are deserving of little - possibly just a quick departure from this country or Internment.

***** I'm still waiting to hear what Consulate or Embassy got his Visa for him.

Do you notice a pattern of how events like this are being exploited to manipulate the structure of our laws and our rights in this country?

 

[samsmart]

The History Channel and Popular Mechanics Magazine were hijacked...no pun intended.

Umm, you mind telling us how they were hijacked? None of those posters really tell me how the History Channel is a propaganda machine.

I find it quite interesting that clearly the News is no longer unbiased and quite likely a propaganda vehicle for many opinion changing issues.

No offense, but where have you been for the last 10 years? :tongue4:

 

[creativedreams]

Umm, you mind telling us how they were hijacked? None of those posters really tell me how the History Channel is a propaganda machine.

It is along the lines of what these people say.

I am putting together specific examples of how it works.

Explains the debunking strategy going on


Joel M. Skousen – Former U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot. Commercial pilot. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, Grumman F-9 Cougar, North American T-2C Buckeye, various civilian planes. Member, Experimental Aircraft Association. Member, Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. Former Chairman of the Conservative National Committee in Washington DC and Executive Editor of Conservative Digest.

Essay Debunking the Debunkers 2/14/05: "For over a decade now, the PTB [Powers That Be] have used an odd vehicle to do their debunking on a variety of issues - Popular Mechanics Magazine (a Hearst publication). I suppose they are targeting the back-yard mechanic and auto-enthusiast crowd, who are often prone to accepting conspiracy facts and theories.

In the March 2005 issue, PM magazine singled out 16 issues or claims of the 9/11 skeptics that point to government collusion and systematically attempted to debunk each one. Of the 16, most missed the mark and almost half were straw men arguments - either ridiculous arguments that few conspiracists believed or restatements of the arguments that were highly distorted so as to make them look weaker than they really were. ...

I am one of those who claim there are factual arguments pointing to conspiracy, and that truth is not served by taking cheap shots at those who see gaping flaws in the government story ...

There is significant evidence that the aircraft impacts did not cause the collapse [of the Twin Towers] ...

The issues of the penetration hole [at the Pentagon] and the lack of large pieces of debris simply do not jive with the official story, but they are explainable if you include the parking lot video evidence that shows a huge white explosion at impact. This cannot happen with an aircraft laden only with fuel. It can only happen in the presence of high explosives."

Statement about controlled press too

Commander Dennis Henry, U.S. Navy Reserve (ret), BS CE, PE – Retired from U.S. Navy Reserve, Civil Engineering Corps after 20 years of service. Retired Licensed Professional Engineer, State of Missouri. 34 years of service as a City Engineer, designing bridges, roadways, storm, sanitary sewers, and traffic signals.

"Being a civil engineer and understanding the laws of physics, I know that a building cannot fall at free fall speed without the floors already falling also giving no resistance. I wish our Congressmen were as smart, and also showed some backbone and got a truly independent investigation going. Also, this 911 truth movement has shown to me that our press is as every bit controlled and spits out as much propaganda as I thought Pravda did for the old Soviet Union. My eyes have been awakened to many things, and I have come to learn that we do not live in as free a country as I thought we did, and with the passage of the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, it has become even less so."

 

[samsmart]

The History Channel is less a propaganda machine and more a channel in search of ad revenue. The History Channel will air anything as long as they think they can sell commercials for it.

 

[DrunkenAsparagus]

I post some PM and History Channel links that destroy Creative's points, and they're propaganda. Yes, anyone who doesn't agree with Creative's opinion on 9-11 is a jackboot or sheeple!! But wait, wasn't I supposed to just argue what each source said without just "attacking the messenger"

 

[Zinc Route]

***** Attacking the Messenger is justified when dealing with these nutcases.Some are not honest, and are in actuality not interested in clarifying anything. They believe the more thread space on various forums devoted to this crap that somehow THAT will bring about some change somewhere to give them a psychological boost.

***** They refuse to argue on the basis of probability/improbability but get hung up on little items that cannot be straightened out without resurrecting the dead. They think this gives them an edge in perpetuity because much of History is not 100% known down to the last crumb , or atom. They focus very narrowly because to see things broadly in the light of sheer common sense dissipates their goofy arguements.

 

[Skateguy]

"They refuse to argue on the basis of probability/improbability""---this may be at the root of the problem. Evaluating a situation using those criteria, is no more than "guess work", and not sound investigative methods. Maybe this, or maybe that--is just conjecture.

 

[Zinc Route]

**** Two Airliners hitting both Towers 17 minutes apart is not conjecture. There are hundreds of witness' and it's on tape. FACT.

**** To have somehow (involving probably dozens of Men) put explosives anywhere in both Towers days before this and then DEPENDING on multiple hijackings getting succesfully carried off anywhere is a massive crapshoot and not one anyone within any Government or Corporate power structure would attempt simply based on the overwhelming odds of exposure after things unraveled.

**** Therefore only one thing remains. Both buildings came down from the fires and the earlier impacts. Planning decades earlier of some possible aviation "accident" does not hold up because nobody forsaw this. The fires intensified because of the contents on the floors initially hit and the South Tower came down faster because it took a harder "throttled up " hit on one corner with initial greater structural damage.

**** This is what happened AND the Pentagon WAS hit by AA77 because if it wasn't then a massive conspiracy involving Air traffic control would have to have been worked out in advance and nobody keeps that under wraps for very long .

**** All the BS about the AF not scrambling quick enough , or Cheney being hidden away or the European Markets means zilch. 9/11 Truthers are not interested in clearing up anything . Most have deep problems concerning this Nation & Government and probably an ingrained contempt for a good many of their fellow citizens.

 

[Skateguy]

It were all that simple, and straight forward, there would not be so many people with conflicting views. ---One side uses the Taps as evidence to support their case, --but when the other side uses the very same tapes, they are criticized for using "Propaganda footage." ---one thing for sure--the vote has not changed, no matter what has been said. Seems people have made up their minds. ---Me, I'm still looking till I'm satisfied.

 

[Zinc Route]

**** I've said this here before: You made up your mind years ago.

 

[ScottD]

"Being a civil engineer and understanding the laws of physics, I know that a building cannot fall at free fall speed without the floors already falling also giving no resistance. ."

Tell me how many building this man built that were even a tenth as tall as the world trade center, and if that number is over 0, he can be a slightly credible source. Other then that, I see someone talking out of their ass on a subject they know nothing about.

 

[creativedreams]

Tell me how many building this man built that were even a tenth as tall as the world trade center, and if that number is over 0, he can be a slightly credible source. Other then that, I see someone talking out of their ass on a subject they know nothing about.

Let's see what some Architects and Engineers have to say:

David A. Johnson, B.Arch, MCP (City Planning), PhD (Regional Planning), F.AICP – Internationally recognized architect and city and regional planner. Professor Emeritus, Department of Urban and Regional Planning, University of Tennessee. Former Professor and Chair of the Planning Departments at Syracuse University and Ball State University. Elected Fellow, American Institute of Certified Planners (2004). Past President of the Fulbright Association of the United States. Recipient of five Fulbright Scholarships for continued education in Cyprus, India, Thailand, and the Soviet Union. Directed educational projects in Brazil and Portugal. Active in reconstruction efforts in Bosnia and bicommunal peace-making in Cyprus. Former professional planner on the staffs of the Washington National Capital Planning Commission and the Regional Plan Association of New York. Former editorial board member of the Journal of the American Planning Association. Author of numerous journal articles on urban and regional planning theory and history. Author of Planning the Great Metropolis (1996). Co-author of The TVA Regional Planning and Development Program (2005). Contributing author to Two Centuries of American Planning (1988).


"I was dubious of the official explanations from the outset. You see, as a professional city planner in New York, I knew those buildings and their design. I attended and participated in the hearings at the New York City Hall when the buildings were first proposed. I argued for the buildings on the basis that the interior core represented a way of internalizing the cost of mass transit, which in our system is almost impossible to finance through public bond issues.

So I was well aware of the strength of the core with its steel columns, surrounding the elevators, and stairwells. I should also mention that with a degree in architecture and instruction in steel design (my Yale professor had worked on the Empire State Building) I was and am no novice in structural design.

When I saw the rapid collapse of the towers, I knew that they could not come down the way they did without explosives and the severing of core columns at the base. The spewing of debris from the towers where the planes entered also could not have occurred simply with just a structural collapse. Something else was happening to make this occur.

Moreover, the symmetrical collapse is strong evidence of a controlled demolition. A building falling from asymmetrical structural failure would not collapse so neatly, nor so rapidly, as you have pointed out.

What we are faced with is a lie of such proportions that even to suggest it makes one subject to ridicule and scorn. Who could have done such a terrible thing? Certainly not our government or military. Rogue elements in the intelligence agencies? I have no idea.

But I do know that the official explanation doesn't hold water. An open, honest re-opening of the case is in order. A near majority of Americans agrees with this view. Let us keep pressing for an honest investigation."


H. Theodore Elden, Jr., B.Arch, AIA – Practicing licensed architect in West Virginia for over 25 years. Now retired. Graduate of Carnegie Mellon University. Member, American Institute of Architects, West Virginia Chapter. Appointed Member of West Virginia State Board of Architects. Former Member, National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB), and Member, National Committee, Intern Development Program for Architects (IDP). Professional photographer.


"The primary duty of registered professionals is to protect the public safety. Professionals' intelligence, knowledge and experience provide a delicate connection between science and fact. ...

9-11 was a tragic event for our country, quickly “solved” by our government and propagated by our media, leading our country into fear, anguish, anger, war and unrestrained spending.

Have we, as building professionals, been hoodwinked? Who should better understand the collapse of the World Trade Towers than those in our profession, possibly with the consultation of demolition experts?

As I and millions have reviewed the events of that day, it seems much of the cover story is not true and impossible. As the nation is confused on the reality of that day, have we been making bad decisions ever since?

My web site collects salient information that isolates the demise of the World Trade Towers – linking many experienced, dedicated and articulate technical analysis that show clearly that the World Trade Towers were destroyed by internal explosives and not "fires from the airlines". ...

After hundreds of hours of research, and thousands of dollars purchasing materials and information, this letter outlines my most salient, articulate examples of things that architects should investigate. If I err slightly in any single item, that does not discount this letter. On the contrary, even if only part of these accusations are true, they should be investigated."

Cont...

 

[creativedreams]

Jack Keller, BS CE, MS Irrigation Eng, PhD Agricultural and Irrigation Eng, PE, F.ASCE – Professor Emeritus, Agricultural and Irrigation Engineering, Utah State University. Member, National Academy of Engineering. Elected Fellow of the American Society of Civil Engineers. Selected by Scientific American magazine as one of the world's 50 leading contributors to science and technology benefiting society (2004).

Through his public and private activities, Dr. Keller has provided advisory services in irrigated agricultural development and water management in more than 60 countries. Serves as an advisor to the CALFED Water Use Efficiency Program and former member CALFED Independent Science Board. Serves on the US and International Boards of International Development Enterprises, an NGO that focuses on rural poverty alleviation. Licensed and practicing Professional Engineer, State of Utah. Awarded State of Utah Governor's Medal for Science and Technology (1988). 2006 Recipient of the American Society of Civil Engineers - Environmental & Water Resources Institute Royce J. Tipton National Career Achievement Award.


"There are major inconsistencies in the government's official story about the events on September 11, 2001. I can point out many attempts in the 9/11 Commission's report to cover up evidence. ... As an engineer, I am especially troubled by the cover-up of evidence relevant to the collapse of the three major World Trade Center buildings."

"At first without any serious study I had simply accepted that the events of 9/11 were as commonly perceived, although I was not happy with the way the disaster was being used to promote what I felt were illegal and self defeating imperialistic policies in the guise of the War on Terrorism.

It was not until early 2006 that I stumbled upon sufficient information to become suspicious of the "official" and generally accepted 9/11 storyline. This led me to do my own investigation during which I discovered the demise of WTC 7, which I was heretofore unaware of. Obviously it was the result of controlled demolition and scheduled to take place during the confusion surrounding the day’s events.

I now feel morally obligated to deal with and expose the "politically unthinkable" issues surrounding the 9/11 phenomena."

Hugo Bachmann, PhD – Professor Emeritus and former Chairman of the Department of Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Author and co-author of Erdbebenbemessung von Stahlbetonhochbauten (Seismic Analysis of Concrete Reinforced Structures) (1990), Vibration Problems in Structures: Practical Guidelines (1995), Biege- und Schubversuche an teilweise vorgespannten Leichtbetonbalken (Structural Analysis of Linked Concrete Beams) (1998), Hochbau für Ingenieure. Eine Einführung (Structural Construction for Engineers. An introduction) (2001), Erdbebensicherung von Bauwerken (Earthquake-proofing Buildings) (2002).


"In my opinion the building WTC 7 was, with great probability, professionally demolished," says Hugo Bachmann, Emeritus ETH [Swiss Federal Institute of Technology] - Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction. And also Jörg Schneider, likewise emeritus ETH - Professor of Structural Analysis and Construction, interprets the few available video recordings as evidence that "the building WTC 7 was with great probability demolished."

Eric Douglas – Registered Architect in New York and California.

"The NIST investigation of the WTC building failures was extensive, but NIST did not substantiate its conclusions experimentally. On the contrary, many of NIST’s tests contradicted its conclusions. Furthermore, there are several examples in which NIST chose to manipulate input data, and then certify its findings based upon the inevitable conclusions that derive from the manipulated input. One finds little acknowledgement on the part of NIST that uncertainties in its simulations translate into uncertainties in its findings.

NIST’s physical tests were inadequate. Their ASTM E119 tests and their workstation burn tests were improperly modeled. Further, the former produced results that contradicted NIST’s conclusions and the latter fell far short of testing the performance of realistic steel members in the actual fire conditions. The workstation burn tests showed that the temperatures were generally too low, especially in the ventilation-controlled WTC environments. The ASTM E119 tests showed that the WTC floor trusses should have easily withstood the fires they experienced on 9/11.

There were also flaws in NIST’s computer simulations, including its impact simulation, its fire loading simulation, its temperature mapping simulation, its thermal/structural component simulations, and its global simulation. The LS-DYNA simulation showed that the aircraft would have done much less damage than NIST assumes, and NIST’s subsequent "scenario pruning" was confused and unsubstantiated. The decision to exclude the hat truss from the structural/thermal response simulations was a significant omission. The sequence of failed truss seats leading to pull-in forces on the exterior columns is central to NIST’s theory but not explained or supported by simulation.

This paper will conclude that the findings of the NIST investigation, although not necessarily incorrect, are not inherently linked to the reality of the failure mechanisms that took place in WTC buildings 1 and 2. The author calls on NIST to explain the discrepancies in its reports, admit the level of uncertainty in its findings, broaden the scope of its investigation, and make its raw data available to other researchers."

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[creativedreams]

David M. Pacheco, BS CE – Civil Engineer.

"My beliefs are based on scientific principles and not propaganda. Science is the only absolute truth known to man from the beginning of time to the present. It is blatantly obvious that the official story is not based on science and this in itself is enough to discredit the fairy tale the government has sold to the American public."


Francisco A. Planes, B. Arch – Architectural Consultant, Associate AIA

"I don't believe that the fact that the airplanes that struck the North and South Towers by themselves made the Twin Towers fall. I do not doubt that the possibility of a controlled demolition was used to purposely bring the buildings down. Somewhere in a remote desert, maybe in Arizona, a scaled down version of the World Trade Center - ALL 7 buildings as they once stood, should be built and then have similarly scaled down - remote controlled U.A.V.'s flown into them with a fuel similar to what the planes were carrying and let it burn for the exact amount of time before the collapse, to see if the reenacted fires would by themselves result in a collapse of the towers. This would be a test similar to the tests that are conducted inside wind tunnels for the design of aircraft."


Herwig Delvaux – Licensed Architect in Belgium. Member of the Belgian NCDAB, the Flemish language section of the college of experts architects of Belgium.

"The need to find out the full truth about the collapses, whatever it is.

Concerned about the fact of absolutely all-sided perfect symmetric drop down, while both burns and TOP collapses were absolutely asymmetrical.

Concerned about the totally simultaneous drop of floors, ceiling cage AND core. Every structural logic tells us that the core must stand or fall over later. These are two strongly visible feats.

Besides hundreds of little details."


Paul W. Mason, B Eng – 33 years experience designing, constructing and maintaining major structures for state government agency in Australia.

"In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation!"


Hans De Jonge – Mechanical engineer, structural engineer and civil engineer concrete and steel. 20 years experience as a structural engineer. Currently adviser and technical controller on a house-building project.

"I visited the Twin Towers under construction as a student structural engineering and was impressed by the sophisticated design and the new (for me) building philosophy of the huge inner columns and the outside steel frame leaving an enormous office space without any column on every floor. The impact of one airplane cannot damage this large structure very much because the support is instantly re-arranged to the undamaged support system. The total collapse is therefore technically impossible."


Travis McCoy, BS Civil and Environmental Eng – Design Engineer working at a structural engineering firm and pursuing MS Structural Eng degree.

"Based on my structural engineering background, I have several questions pertaining to the validity of the official report on why the buildings collapsed."


Regine C. Naeckel – Graduate Engineer, Planning. Former documentary and editorial journalist for German television, focused on science.

"The collapse of the three WTC Buildings was caused by a controlled demolition. There is no other way to bring down buildings into their own footprints in free-fall time. My witnesses are Galileo Galilei and Isaak Newton.

I joined the "German truther movement" as a writer, blogger and journalist one year ago. In the official story I never believed, just as I never kept faith with speculative explanations."


Mathew T. Stackpole, B.Arch – Architectural Consultant. Over ten years experience with much experience in structural analysis and building integrity studies.

"I have been pondering for several years how the buildings could have fallen in the manner they did, given an explosion so far from the foundations of the building, I find it hard to believe the given explanations. How does jet fuel leak down the cavities of the building all the way to the footings of these building to provide such a clean free fall. If a truck hits a house, it may fall to the ground, however portions of it will remain splintered and fragmented, however not obliterated......."


Cynthia Howard, M.Arch, AIA – Past President of the New England Chapter of the AIA. Past President and Board member of AIA Maine. Former Board Member of the Boston Society of Architects. Licensed Architect, States of Maine and Massachusetts. 30 years in private practice, including Preservation Planning for municipalities, agencies and historic societies and Energy-efficient historic restoration and new construction projects, concentrated in coast and mill communities. Architectural education MIT (Masters), and Harvard Graduate School of Design, (taught course Developing Historic Properties). Studied Structural Engineering under William LeMessurier at MIT.

"I believe that it is physically/scientifically impossible for the heat from the burning planes to have caused the collapse. If the steel had failed by heat, as has been claimed, the building would have deformed.

The speed of the building's collapse, indicating no resistance as it fell, further indicates that only carefully placed and timed detonation devices throughout the skeletal structure could account for the sudden implosion of the towers into their footprints.

The only plausible reason for collapse of WTC 7, which was not hit by any plane, is similarly, timed explosives within the building."

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[creativedreams]

Stephen B. Barasch, B.Arch, M.Arch, AIA, APA, NCARB – Licensed Architect in the States of California, Arizona, and Texas. Practicing Architect, Urban Designer, and Management Consultant. Author of Recreational Planning for New Communities (1974).

"I have been a practicing architect/urban designer and management consultant with over 40 years experience and the founder and president of Barasch Architects & Associates, Inc., a multidisciplined architecture/engineering corporation. I have had broad experience in the planning, design & engineering of multi-story, braced-frame and moment-resisting steel frame structures including office towers and large scale institutional complexes.

After reviewing the data presented by the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Organization and through my independent assessment of the data I have reviewed, and based on my 40+ years of professional experience, I have concluded that it would be nearly impossible for any of the principal World Trade Center Towers to collapse in the manner or in the recorded time frame as a result of any fire or explosion caused solely by the impact of terrorist-guided aircraft alone. Braced steel frame buildings simply don't collapse in a symmetrical manner with a uniform plume of debris in 102 or 56 minutes respectively with modern structural design standards and state-of-the-art life-safety systems which must be continuously inspected by local building inspectors based on ever increasing performance standards centered on human survival."


Kathi C. Gregory, B.Arch, AIA – Licensed Architect, State of Tennessee. Member, American Institute of Architects.

"In the beginning I believed the official story. But after the shock wore off, I found I could not forget the way the buildings fell. The debris was not consistent with a normal building collapse. Eye witnesses heard explosions, and the collapse of all three buildings had more resemblance to a controlled demolition than an unplanned structural failure. I have read many points of view on the matter and can no longer agree with the official story."


Mark Lee Fitzgerald, Licensed Architect, State of Texas. 25-year professional career.

"I am architect with twenty five years of experience. I am as passionate about social issues as I am about the art and science of architecture. This petition is a vital opportunity.

There is no doubt, based upon technical analysis, that these buildings were deliberately demolished."


Michael Ryan, B.Arch, AIA – Licensed Architect, State of California. Member, American Institute of Architects.

"You can tell that they were controlled demo. There is not really any question in my mind."


Timothy B. Becher, B.Arch, AIA – Licensed Architect, State of California. Member, American Institute of Architects. 35-year professional career. Instructor of Architecture, Department of Engineering and Technology, Cuesta College.

"Everyone who has completed an accredited Architectural program has studied physics, properties of materials, and statics as minimum conditions of receiving a baccalaureate degree. Engineering students receive an even more rigorous education and training.

As a licensed Architect or engineer we have received practical experience and relatively rigorous testing. If we can suspend our belief systems, and look at this "event" as a set of physical causes and effects, we will find much evidence to hypothesize causes other than those expressed by the "Official" reports of what occurred on September 11, 2001.

For my part, I am expecting information at the level at which I was trained and tested in order to have the right and privilege to practice Architecture California."


David G. Huebner, BS CE, PE – Licensed Professional Engineer, State of Michigan

"I've done extensive research, and have concluded that at the very least, building #7 was 100% a controlled demolition. Although there are literally hundreds of discrepancies, and unexplained things surrounding 9/11, I consider the collapse of building #7, and the fact that "Controlled Demolition" (the Company) was hired for site clean-up to be an unexplainable coincidence. The fact that we spent much less than the investigation of Flight 800 is also questionable. The destruction of the crime scene evidence is inexcusable. I did not witness any raging infernos that the media claims existed on 9/11."

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[creativedreams]

Christopher John Andrassy, BS CE, MS CE, PE – Licensed Professional Engineer, States of Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. 21-year professional career.

"Having civil engineering coursework experience (steel and r/c design, etc...) and some structural framing design experience I have harbored deep doubts about the government's explanation for these collapses since the morning of 9/11.

I recall expressing then how the buildings would remain intact, even given the severe damage they had experienced, never considering that the damage inflicted could cause collapse.

There is power in numbers and there is further power in the prestige and integrity of the numerous engineers, architects, and scientists who have come forward and who may yet come forward to challenge the government's explanations or lack thereof.

I suggest that there are powerful computer modeling and physical testing tools that are likely being employed and may yet be employed in concert with the photographic, video, and forensic evidence to investigate how these towers collapsed, political motivations aside.

I believe it is very important that these questions be addressed and support efforts to do so and thank all those who have come forward and put much time and energy into the numerous and vigorous research efforts that have already been conducted."


David M. Zuniga, B.Arch Eng, PE – Licensed Professional Mechanical and Architectural Engineer, State of Texas. 25-year professional career.

"I concur with the thousands of researchers and professionals who have stated that Occam's Razor here trumps official government propaganda: there is a wealth of physical, videographic, and eyewitness testimonial evidence that renders the government's story ludicrous and that suggests controlled demolition, WTC 7 being the most unadorned case."


Dan Bartlett, B.Arch, AIA – Licensed Architect, State of New Hampshire. Began architectural career working for a New York City firm that designed hi-rise residential building. Currently designing light commercial and residential structures. Adjunct Professor of Architecture, Keene State College.

"My questions focus on #7 WTC. There can be no doubt that it was a controlled demolition. The only question is why was it done on that day. And if there were any doubts, why can't the circumstances be more fully examined?

A B-52 bomber flew directly into the Empire State Building on a Saturday, and the building was open for business the following Monday, with the exception of the most adversely affected areas near the top.

Different type of aircraft - different type of building. But it is difficult to reconcile that instance with what happened to #7 WTC on 9/11."


Paul Asaro, B.Arch – Licensed Architect, State of California. 25 years experience in the field of architecture and construction, including design and construction administration experience with a steel frame high rise.

"NIST has ignored many critical facts and denied basic laws of physics in order to arrive at their fairy tale conclusions. We need a serious investigation done by licensed professionals who are not directly or indirectly on the government payroll.

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[Skateguy]

Let's see what some Architects and Engineers have to say:

David A. Johnson, B.Arch, MCP (City Planning), PhD (Regional Planning), F.AICP – Internationally recognized architect and city and regional planner. Professor Emeritus, Department of Urban and Regional Planning, University of Tennessee. Former Professor and Chair of the Planning Departments at Syracuse University and Ball State University. Elected Fellow, American Institute of Certified Planners (2004). Past President of the Fulbright Association of the United States. Recipient of five Fulbright Scholarships for continued education in Cyprus, India, Thailand, and the Soviet Union. Directed educational projects in Brazil and Portugal. Active in reconstruction efforts in Bosnia and bicommunal peace-making in Cyprus. Former professional planner on the staffs of the Washington National Capital Planning Commission and the Regional Plan Association of New York. Former editorial board member of the Journal of the American Planning Association. Author of numerous journal articles on urban and regional planning theory and history. Author of Planning the Great Metropolis (1996). Co-author of The TVA Regional Planning and Development Program (2005). Contributing author to Two Centuries of American Planning (1988).


"I was dubious of the official explanations from the outset. You see, as a professional city planner in New York, I knew those buildings and their design. I attended and participated in the hearings at the New York City Hall when the buildings were first proposed. I argued for the buildings on the basis that the interior core represented a way of internalizing the cost of mass transit, which in our system is almost impossible to finance through public bond issues.

So I was well aware of the strength of the core with its steel columns, surrounding the elevators, and stairwells. I should also mention that with a degree in architecture and instruction in steel design (my Yale professor had worked on the Empire State Building) I was and am no novice in structural design.

When I saw the rapid collapse of the towers, I knew that they could not come down the way they did without explosives and the severing of core columns at the base. The spewing of debris from the towers where the planes entered also could not have occurred simply with just a structural collapse. Something else was happening to make this occur.

Moreover, the symmetrical collapse is strong evidence of a controlled demolition. A building falling from asymmetrical structural failure would not collapse so neatly, nor so rapidly, as you have pointed out.

What we are faced with is a lie of such proportions that even to suggest it makes one subject to ridicule and scorn. Who could have done such a terrible thing? Certainly not our government or military. Rogue elements in the intelligence agencies? I have no idea.

But I do know that the official explanation doesn't hold water. An open, honest re-opening of the case is in order. A near majority of Americans agrees with this view. Let us keep pressing for an honest investigation."


H. Theodore Elden, Jr., B.Arch, AIA – Practicing licensed architect in West Virginia for over 25 years. Now retired. Graduate of Carnegie Mellon University. Member, American Institute of Architects, West Virginia Chapter. Appointed Member of West Virginia State Board of Architects. Former Member, National Council of Architectural Registration Boards (NCARB), and Member, National Committee, Intern Development Program for Architects (IDP). Professional photographer.


"The primary duty of registered professionals is to protect the public safety. Professionals' intelligence, knowledge and experience provide a delicate connection between science and fact. ...

9-11 was a tragic event for our country, quickly “solved” by our government and propagated by our media, leading our country into fear, anguish, anger, war and unrestrained spending.

Have we, as building professionals, been hoodwinked? Who should better understand the collapse of the World Trade Towers than those in our profession, possibly with the consultation of demolition experts?

As I and millions have reviewed the events of that day, it seems much of the cover story is not true and impossible. As the nation is confused on the reality of that day, have we been making bad decisions ever since?

My web site collects salient information that isolates the demise of the World Trade Towers – linking many experienced, dedicated and articulate technical analysis that show clearly that the World Trade Towers were destroyed by internal explosives and not "fires from the airlines". ...

After hundreds of hours of research, and thousands of dollars purchasing materials and information, this letter outlines my most salient, articulate examples of things that architects should investigate. If I err slightly in any single item, that does not discount this letter. On the contrary, even if only part of these accusations are true, they should be investigated."

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there ya go, using those verifiable substantiated facts again to support your case---what kind of debate do you think this is? We just use name calling and unsubstantiated assumptions to reach conclusions here.---No factual testimony allowed.