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Hip Hop Artists

Do you think that hip-hop artists should be allowed to say the things they do?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 85.7%

  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Depends on how bad their content is.

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • Total voters
    14

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Do you think that hip-hop artists should be allowed to say the things they do in their music?
Take for instance these lyrics:
"Wait" By the Ying Yang Twins
Do you think that they should be allowed to say things like this?
 
It's in bad taste, but they can if they want to.
 
they're allowed to say it, as long as I'm not forced to listen to it.
 
Obama08 said:
Hearing Bill O'Shithead talk about this gave me the idea for the post.
YouTube - O'Reilly - Discussion on Dixie Chicks / Ludacris grammy wins
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Grrrr, when that black dude was asked why people thought that "saying the N word 5o times in a song, and then saying that he wanted to kill his boss deserved a grammy", I just wanted to shout "it's not political, he got a grammy 'cause he had a nice beat!".

Then that guy started going on about how music is liberal, and therre are no family values...:roll:
 
People still listen to the Dixie Chicks? They completely lost their base when they said country fans were "none to bright." Back on topic though, yes off course rap artists have the right to say the things they do, but I think it does glamorize a gangster lifestyle and is a horrible influence on black children.
 
That not hip hop. Thats rap music. There is a very big difference between hip hop and rap. Hip hop is socially conscious music it's urban music with a message. Rap has no message.
 

LOL. Yeah I've gotten into some arguments with my some of my fully black(I'm only half) friends over this. Though not an authority on the subject I've studied it extensively and can tell you with without a shadow of a doubt that "rap" music and "hip hop" are not the same thing. Not by a long shot. While they are both categorized under the same section they are by no means the same. I'll explain to you using 2 of todays best know artists.

Mos Def = Hip Hop.

50 Cent = Rap.

While both of them use the same medium to express themselves and are both considered rappers what they produce is not the same. Hip hop was and still is socially conscious music. It is a direct descendent of street poetry by people like Miguel Piñero and Miguel Algarin. They were instrumental in shaping "hip hop". Hip hop is and always has been about telling a story and hoping that the people litsening to it will be touched. Rap on the other hand is about hyping yourself up to be alot more then you actually are. There have been artists and groups like NWA, Wu-Tang clan, A tribe called Quest that have been successful at combining hip hop and rap however the majority of artists today are either "rap artists" or "hip hop artists".
 
Ok I understand what your trying to say, but what about the "rappers" who get hyped up but also tell stories???
Take for instance "Hate it or love it" -50 Cent (you probably knew that)
The bold part "tells a story". So do other parts in the song but thats the most obvious. What do we consider it in these cases?

I would have to say a better conclusion is that rap is a sub genre of hip-hop.
 

Didn't I already explained this?

There have been artists and groups like NWA, Wu-Tang clan, A tribe called Quest that have been successful at combining hip hop and rap however the majority of artists today are either "rap artists" or "hip hop artists".
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50 Cent isn't telling a story with that song. It starts off looking like a story but quickly turns into self glorifying music. This is a story :


Do you see the difference? While 50 Cent does have a few songs like Ghetto Qu'ran that can be considered "stories" he's first and foremost a rap artist.
 
Normally, I would answer this by saying people have the right to say anything they wish. Hip Hop artist put on concerts and they can say anything that their audience allows. People go to concerts by choice, knowing that some of the language of hip hop is obscene and racial

concerts are ok, for any language, because of choice by audience. Now CDs or Dvds are purchased and are rated for content. there should be a warning.
Parents should not allow their children to be exposed to a world that is totally obscene and racial. If lyrics are super explicit, they should only be sold to people over 18. People that allow their children to listen to pure trash, are very poor parents and are giving their children a very poor example and sometimes damaging their children. this all depends on the child and how they react later in life to the trash their parents let them hear. It is not a matter of one song now and then, it is matter of barrage of a whole lotta trash that harms the children. familiarity leads to acceptance, strange ideas and some thinking errors.

this is my opinion: Dragonslayer.
 
Hmm...Thats interesting.
I've never heard anybody say they're different but then again I'm not really into that type of music. I might print this thread out and try to explain this to a bunch of black kids. They get pissed though. We had a "debate" in my English class one time about whether or not Rap should be considered music.
One of them told this rock chick she should be slapped.
 

If they want to try and debate. Send them here. I'll school them for ya.
 
lol will do!:2wave:
 
Obama08 said:
lol will do!:2wave:
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Most kids I know today that claim to be "hip hop fans" wouldn't know Slick Rick from Trick Trick. Ask any of them who Eric B. and Rakim, Latin Frost or even Brand Nubian are and they'll look at you like you came from a different planet.
 
While, as a musician myself, I typically see most urban music as recycled beats and kind of a lazy form of music/art, some artists are very original and definitely add something, despite the message. I guess you could say that I am on the definite yes part of the argument, being a constitutionalist, but I hope that producers stop going for the kill, so to speak, by making non generic music and staying away from the even more disingenuous sampled(r.e. "borrowed") music which contributes nothing to the genre.
What urban artists say has nothing to do with free speech rights because of the first amendment, provided the music falls within the protections of the B.O.R.(i.e. S.L.A.P.S. test, obscenity, public endangerment, etc. exclusions).
 
Hatuey said:
Most kids I know today that claim to be "hip hop fans" wouldn't know Slick Rick from Trick Trick. Ask any of them who Eric B. and Rakim, Latin Frost or even Brand Nubian are and they'll look at you like you came from a different planet.
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It's honestly a serious problem in all forms of music. Most young fans have NO clue as to what preceded their current listening and don't care, I have a theory that many kids will listen to whatever is current simply to seem cool and will abandon many of the hot artists of today as soon as the trends shift, instead of actually appreciating music for what it is.
 
As much as i hate hopping around the dumbfarks should be able to say whatever
their rotting minds want . Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing.



 
Of course they should be able to say whatever the hell they want, that's why the big record companies have the "Tipper Sticker." If you don't want to hear it, don't buy it.
The Ying-Yang twins and 50-cent aren't hip-hop it is just some packaged BS that we're fed. Hip Hop usually doesn't get played on the radio, at least not in my market.
 
In the middle of the 90's I saw a rap video that there was a scene in which a girl is licking an ice cream and then walking with her dog. It was a hit in that time. Can someone tell me what's the name of the artist and the name of the song? thanks.
 

:agree he pretty much summed it up.
 
To be honest rappers went too far up the try n shock road years ago 2live crew and luke skywalking going to court over their lyrics in the 80s ice t cop killer.

Its kind of odd because even though its "adult" music what kind of adult with a brain would by a ying yang twins album?

But yea they should be free to say what they want but its just a shame talented musicians cant get anywhere in the music industry because this crap like this taking up space in the charts and clubs.
 
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