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Hip Hop Artists

Do you think that hip-hop artists should be allowed to say the things they do?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 85.7%

  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Depends on how bad their content is.

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • Total voters
    14
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Do you think that hip-hop artists should be allowed to say the things they do in their music?
Take for instance these lyrics:
"Wait" By the Ying Yang Twins
Hey how you doin lil mama? lemme whisper in your ear
Tell you sunthing that you might like to hear
You got a sexy *** body and your *** look soft
Mind if I touch it? and see if its soft
Naw I'm jus playin' lets just say I can
And im known to be a real nasty man
And they say a closed mouth dont get fed
So I dont mind asking for head
You heard what I said, we need to make our way to the bed
And you can start usin' yo head
You like to ****, have yo legs open all in da butt
Do it up slappin *** cuz the sex gets rough
Switch the positions and ready to get down to business
So you can see what you've been missin'
You might had some but you never had none like this
Just wait til you see my dick

Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Wait til you see my dick
Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Imma beat dat ***** up
Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Wait you see my dick
Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Imma beat dat ***** up

Like B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM

Beat da ***** up, Beat da ***** up, Beat da ***** up, Beat da ***** up, Beat da ***** up, Beat da ***** up, Beat da *****
Up, Beat da ***** up

[verse 2]

You fine, but I aint gone sweat ya
See I wanna ****, tell me whats up
Walk around the club with yo thumb in ya mouth
Put my dick in, take your thumb out
There might be a lil kosher to deal with
Wet ? hope they dont spill ****
I keep a hoe hot when I'm puttin' in work
Wanna skeet skeet you bout to get your feelin's hurt
Cuz I'll beat dat cat with a dog
And knock da walls of a broad til she scrawl
Like (OOOOOH!)
Yea something like that, but it depends on the swing of the baseball bat
**** a bitch on da counter make the
Place fall mats
On the floor she aint screamin she a nut so they crack
Crack...crack
**** that bend over imma give you the dick

Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Wait til you see my dick
Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Imma beat dat ***** up
Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Wait you see my dick
Ay bitch! wait til you see my dick
Imma beat dat ***** up

Like B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM, B-AM

Beat da ***** up, Beat da ***** up, Beat da ***** up, Beat da ***** up, Beat da ***** up, Beat da ***** up, Beat da *****
Up, Beat da ***** up

(OOOOOOOH!)
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Do you think that they should be allowed to say things like this?
 
It's in bad taste, but they can if they want to.
 
they're allowed to say it, as long as I'm not forced to listen to it.
 
Obama08 said:
Hearing Bill O'Shithead talk about this gave me the idea for the post.
YouTube - O'Reilly - Discussion on Dixie Chicks / Ludacris grammy wins
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Grrrr, when that black dude was asked why people thought that "saying the N word 5o times in a song, and then saying that he wanted to kill his boss deserved a grammy", I just wanted to shout "it's not political, he got a grammy 'cause he had a nice beat!".

Then that guy started going on about how music is liberal, and therre are no family values...:roll:
 
People still listen to the Dixie Chicks? They completely lost their base when they said country fans were "none to bright." Back on topic though, yes off course rap artists have the right to say the things they do, but I think it does glamorize a gangster lifestyle and is a horrible influence on black children.
 
That not hip hop. Thats rap music. There is a very big difference between hip hop and rap. Hip hop is socially conscious music it's urban music with a message. Rap has no message.
 
Obama08 said:
I hope your joking...
Rap is part of the greater known as "hip-hop". I'd like for you to say "rap has no message" and "raps not hip-hop" to some black people and see what they say. You'll either get punched in the face or laughed at.
Hip hop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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LOL. Yeah I've gotten into some arguments with my some of my fully black(I'm only half) friends over this. Though not an authority on the subject I've studied it extensively and can tell you with without a shadow of a doubt that "rap" music and "hip hop" are not the same thing. Not by a long shot. While they are both categorized under the same section they are by no means the same. I'll explain to you using 2 of todays best know artists.

Mos Def = Hip Hop.

50 Cent = Rap.

While both of them use the same medium to express themselves and are both considered rappers what they produce is not the same. Hip hop was and still is socially conscious music. It is a direct descendent of street poetry by people like Miguel Piñero and Miguel Algarin. They were instrumental in shaping "hip hop". Hip hop is and always has been about telling a story and hoping that the people litsening to it will be touched. Rap on the other hand is about hyping yourself up to be alot more then you actually are. There have been artists and groups like NWA, Wu-Tang clan, A tribe called Quest that have been successful at combining hip hop and rap however the majority of artists today are either "rap artists" or "hip hop artists".
 
Ok I understand what your trying to say, but what about the "rappers" who get hyped up but also tell stories???
Take for instance "Hate it or love it" -50 Cent (you probably knew that)
Yea
Let's take'em back
Uh huh

Coming up I was confused
My mama kissing a girl
Confusion occurs
Coming up in a cold world
Daddy aint around
Probably out committing felonies
My favorite rapper used to sing
Check, check out my melody
I wanna live good so **** I sell dope
For a four-finger ring
One of them gold ropes
Nana told me if I passed I get a sheep skin coat
If I could move a few packs
I get the hat
Now that'll be dope
Tossed and turn in my sleep that night
Woke up the next morning
Niggaz done stole my bike
Different day, same ****
Ain't nothing good in the hood
I run away from this bitch
And never come back if I could
[Chorus]
[50 Cent]
Hate it or love it the under dog's on top
And I'm gon shine homie until my heart stop

[The Game]
Go'head'n envy me
I'm rap's MVP
And I ain't going no where
So you can get to know me

[50 Cent]
Hate it or love it the under dog's on top
And I'm gon shine homie until my heart stop

[The Game]
Go'head'n envy me
I'm rap's MVP
And I ain't going no where
So you can get to know me

G-G-G-G-G-G-G-Unit

[Game]
On the grill of ma low rider
Guns on both sides
Right above the gold wires I four-five'em
Kill a ***** on ma song
And really do it
That's the true meaning of a ghostwriter
Ten g'z will take your daughter outta air forces
Believe you me homie, I know all about losses
I'm from Compton, where the wrong colors, be cautious
One phone call, have your body dumped in Marcy
I stay strapped like car seats
Been banging since ma lil' *****, rob, got killed for his Barkley's
That's ten years
I told Pooh in '95
I'll kill you if you try me for my air-max 95's
Told Banks when I met'em I'm a ride
And if I gotta die, rather homicide
I ain't had 50 cent when ma grand-mama died
Now I'm going back to Cali with ma jacob on
See how time fly?

[Chorus]
[50 Cent]
Hate it or love it the under dog's on top
And I'm gon shine homie until my heart stop

[The Game]
Go'head'n envy me
I'm rap's MVP
And I ain't going no where
So you can get to know me

[50 Cent]
Hate it or love it the under dog's on top
And I'm gon shine homie until my heart stop

[The Game]
Go'head'n envy me
I'm rap's MVP
And I ain't going no where
So you can get to know me

[50 Cent]
From the beginning to the end
Losers lose, winners win
This is real we aint gotta pretend
The cold world that we in
It's full of pressure and pain
Enough of me ***** now listen to Game

[Game]
Used to see 5-0 throw the crack by the bench
Now I'm ****ing with 5-0, it's all starting to make sense
My Ma's happy, she aint gotta pay the rent
And she got a red bow on that brand new Benz
Waiting on Sha Money to land sitting in the range
Thinking how they spend 30 million dollars on airplanes
When there's kids starving
Pac is gone, and Brenda still throwing babies in the garbage
I wanna know what's going on like I hear Marvin
No school books
They use their wood to build coffins
Whenever I'm in a booth
And I get exhausted
I think what if Marie Baker got that abortion
I love you Ma

[Chorus]
[50 Cent]
Hate it or love it the under dog's on top
And I'm gon shine homie until my heart stop

[The Game]
Go'head'n envy me
I'm rap's MVP
And I ain't going no where
So you can get to know me
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The bold part "tells a story". So do other parts in the song but thats the most obvious. What do we consider it in these cases?

I would have to say a better conclusion is that rap is a sub genre of hip-hop.
 
Obama08 said:
Ok I understand what your trying to say, but what about the "rappers" who get hyped up but also tell stories???
Take for instance "Hate it or love it" -50 Cent (you probably knew that)

The bold part "tells a story". So do other parts in the song but thats the most obvious. What do we consider it in these cases?

I would have to say a better conclusion is that rap is a sub genre of hip-hop.
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Didn't I already explained this?

There have been artists and groups like NWA, Wu-Tang clan, A tribe called Quest that have been successful at combining hip hop and rap however the majority of artists today are either "rap artists" or "hip hop artists".
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50 Cent isn't telling a story with that song. It starts off looking like a story but quickly turns into self glorifying music. This is a story :

Yo, we gotta start respectin life more y'all
You look at your brother man you gotta see yourself
Gotta see the God within him
Brothers gettin changed real quick over nothin
We losin too many of ours
Gotta recreate y'all
Yo, check it

Knowin you the best part of life, do I have the right to take yours
Cause I created you, irresponsibly
Subconciously knowin the act I was a part of
The start of somethin, I'm not ready to bring into the world
Had myself believin I was sterile
I look into mother's stomach, wonder if you are a boy or a girl
Turnin this woman's womb into a tomb
But she and I agree, a seed we don't need
You would've been much more than a mouth to feed
But someone, I woulda fed this information I read
to someone, my life for you I woulda had to leave
Instead I lead you to death
I'm sorry for takin your first breath, first step, and first cry
But I wasn't prepared mentally nor financially
Havin a child shouldn't have to bring out the man in me
Plus I wanted you to be raised within a family
I don't wanna, go through the drama of havin a baby's momma
Weekend visits and buyin J's ain't gon' make me a father
For a while bearing a child is somethin I never wanted to do
For me to live forever I can only do that through you
Nerve I got to talk about them niggaz with a gun
Must have really thought I was God to take the life of my son
I could have sacrificed goin out
To think my homies who did it I used to joke about, from now on
I'ma use self control instead of birth control
Cause $315 ain't worth your soul
$315 ain't worth your soul
$315 ain't worth it

[Lauryn Hill (two layers of vocals, same words)]
I, never dreamed you'd leave, in summer
You said you would be here when it rained
[Common] Yo
Why didn't you stay

Seeing you as a present and a gift in itself
You had our child in you, I probably never feel what you felt
But you dealt with it like the strong black woman you are
Through our trials and tribulations, child's elimination
An intergration of thoughts I feel about the situation
Back and forth my feelings was pacin
Happy deep down but not joyed enough to have it
But even that's a lie in less than two weeks, we was back at it
Is this unprotected love or safe to say it's lust
Bustin, more than the sweat in somebody you trust
Or is it that we don't trust each other enough
And believe, havin this child'll make us have to stay together
Girl I want you in my life cause you have made it better
Thinkin we all in love cause we can spend a day together
We talkin spendin the rest of our lives
It's too many black women that can say they mothers
but can't say that they wives
I wouldn't chose any other to mother my understanding
But I want our Parenthood to come from Planning
It's so much in my life that's undone
We gotta see eye to eye, about family, before we can become one
If you had decided to have it the situation I wouldn't run from
But I'm walkin, findin myself in my God
So I can, discipline my son with my writin
Not have a judge tellin me how and when to raise my seed
Though his death was at our greed, with no one else to blame
I had a book of Afrikan names, case our minds changed
You say your period hasn't came, and lately I've been sleepy
So quit smokin the weed and the beadies and let's have this boy

[Lauryn Hill]
I, never dreamed you'd leave in summer
You said you would be here when it rained
You said you would be here when it rained
Ohh I, never dreamed you'd leave in summer
Now the situation's made things change
Things change
Why, didn't you stay
Why didn't you stay...
I, never dreamed you'd leave, in summer
In summer
You said you would be here when, it rained
When it rained, it rained
Ohhhohh I, never dreamed, you'd leave in summer
You said you wouldn't leave
Now the situation's made things change
Things change, why didn't you stay?
Stay, stay stay stay stay stay stay
Mmmmm, stayyy
Uh-uh
Ohh why didn't you stay..
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Do you see the difference? While 50 Cent does have a few songs like Ghetto Qu'ran that can be considered "stories" he's first and foremost a rap artist.
 
Normally, I would answer this by saying people have the right to say anything they wish. Hip Hop artist put on concerts and they can say anything that their audience allows. People go to concerts by choice, knowing that some of the language of hip hop is obscene and racial

concerts are ok, for any language, because of choice by audience. Now CDs or Dvds are purchased and are rated for content. there should be a warning.
Parents should not allow their children to be exposed to a world that is totally obscene and racial. If lyrics are super explicit, they should only be sold to people over 18. People that allow their children to listen to pure trash, are very poor parents and are giving their children a very poor example and sometimes damaging their children. this all depends on the child and how they react later in life to the trash their parents let them hear. It is not a matter of one song now and then, it is matter of barrage of a whole lotta trash that harms the children. familiarity leads to acceptance, strange ideas and some thinking errors.

this is my opinion: Dragonslayer.;)
 
Hmm...Thats interesting.
I've never heard anybody say they're different but then again I'm not really into that type of music. I might print this thread out and try to explain this to a bunch of black kids. They get pissed though. We had a "debate" in my English class one time about whether or not Rap should be considered music.
One of them told this rock chick she should be slapped.
 
Obama08 said:
Hmm...Thats interesting.
I've never heard anybody say they're different but then again I'm not really into that type of music. I might print this thread out and try to explain this to a bunch of black kids. They get pissed though. We had a "debate" in my English class one time about whether or not Rap should be considered music.
One of them told this rock chick she should be slapped.
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If they want to try and debate. Send them here. I'll school them for ya. ;)
 
Obama08 said:
lol will do!:2wave:
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Most kids I know today that claim to be "hip hop fans" wouldn't know Slick Rick from Trick Trick. Ask any of them who Eric B. and Rakim, Latin Frost or even Brand Nubian are and they'll look at you like you came from a different planet.
 
While, as a musician myself, I typically see most urban music as recycled beats and kind of a lazy form of music/art, some artists are very original and definitely add something, despite the message. I guess you could say that I am on the definite yes part of the argument, being a constitutionalist, but I hope that producers stop going for the kill, so to speak, by making non generic music and staying away from the even more disingenuous sampled(r.e. "borrowed") music which contributes nothing to the genre.
What urban artists say has nothing to do with free speech rights because of the first amendment, provided the music falls within the protections of the B.O.R.(i.e. S.L.A.P.S. test, obscenity, public endangerment, etc. exclusions).
 
Hatuey said:
Most kids I know today that claim to be "hip hop fans" wouldn't know Slick Rick from Trick Trick. Ask any of them who Eric B. and Rakim, Latin Frost or even Brand Nubian are and they'll look at you like you came from a different planet.
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It's honestly a serious problem in all forms of music. Most young fans have NO clue as to what preceded their current listening and don't care, I have a theory that many kids will listen to whatever is current simply to seem cool and will abandon many of the hot artists of today as soon as the trends shift, instead of actually appreciating music for what it is.
 
As much as i hate hopping around the dumbfarks should be able to say whatever
their rotting minds want . Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing.



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Of course they should be able to say whatever the hell they want, that's why the big record companies have the "Tipper Sticker." If you don't want to hear it, don't buy it.
The Ying-Yang twins and 50-cent aren't hip-hop it is just some packaged BS that we're fed. Hip Hop usually doesn't get played on the radio, at least not in my market.
 
In the middle of the 90's I saw a rap video that there was a scene in which a girl is licking an ice cream and then walking with her dog. It was a hit in that time. Can someone tell me what's the name of the artist and the name of the song? thanks.
 
Doremus Jessup said:
Of course they should be able to say whatever the hell they want, that's why the big record companies have the "Tipper Sticker." If you don't want to hear it, don't buy it.
The Ying-Yang twins and 50-cent aren't hip-hop it is just some packaged BS that we're fed. Hip Hop usually doesn't get played on the radio, at least not in my market.
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:agree he pretty much summed it up.
 
To be honest rappers went too far up the try n shock road years ago 2live crew and luke skywalking going to court over their lyrics in the 80s ice t cop killer.

Its kind of odd because even though its "adult" music what kind of adult with a brain would by a ying yang twins album?

But yea they should be free to say what they want but its just a shame talented musicians cant get anywhere in the music industry because this crap like this taking up space in the charts and clubs.
 
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