Hillary Not Having Official Email Account - Red Herring

[bubbabgone]

In a previous thread I opined that this probably isn't a big deal and if Clinton simply accepted the criticism and moved on, America would too.

However, now that her biggest supporters and defenders here on DP keep posting up Hillary apologia daily,

I'm beginning to believe there's a story behind this

, a damaging story, and the Hillary troops are terrified of exposure.

opcorn2:

You're original take on it might have had a chance to be accurate had it been anyone else.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Heya CJ :2wave: .....well that's due to whole bunch of people receiving emails from Hillary. Knowing she was talking about Official governmental business. Since they cannot say she didn't.

Good afternoon MMC

I agree, and as I asked Pete previously, how do we know whether or not Clinton had email contact with foreign heads of state, officials, politicians here or abroad, or other non-government entities if there's no access or government control of the backup and storage of such emails. It's useless to say, as the Clintonites do, that all Hillary's government business emails were backed up on the government system by those she corresponded with - that's only half the story.

And let's not forget, this new Archives law/regulation wouldn't come into effect or be needed if private email accounts had always been properly controlled and maintained.

 

[MMC]

What you don't get is the so called liberal NY Times broke this non story.

Try again Pete I know the NY Times broke the story out. That's why the AP, NBC, Judicial Watch, and Gawker all joined in.

So that's what you and Media Matters is up against. Not even sitting in the Salon down in the Demo Underground can help save the day now. Just the way it is.

 

[MMC]

Good afternoon MMC

I agree, and as I asked Pete previously, how do we know whether or not Clinton had email contact with foreign heads of state, officials, politicians here or abroad, or other non-government entities if there's no access or government control of the backup and storage of such emails. It's useless to say, as the Clintonites do, that all Hillary's government business emails were backed up on the government system by those she corresponded with - that's only half the story.

And let's not forget, this new Archives law/regulation wouldn't come into effect or be needed if private email accounts had always been properly controlled and maintained.

Yeah and they are majorly focused upon any contact with Morsi's Wife for some reason......and even moreso with her aide Huma Abedin.


Doesn't help her telling others to not do......what she ran out and did either.

 

[TheHammer]

I felt the new one was needed because others are dismissive of the other thread. People were saying she had only one email, so they conclude she must have used her personal email account to do her job. As you plainly see that isn't the case.

Apparently the job she did wasn't good enough to provide security for 4 Americans that died at Benghazi. The fact that She apparently ignored the request for more security for Embassy employees in a well known highly dangerous country where the British had already pulled their Embassy employees away from Benghazi.

 

[Fenton]

At the daily press briefing March 3, the deputy State Dept spokesperson indicated she didn't need one, she had other ways of communicating. So, what we have now, is the meme that says she used her personal email to send and receive classified information which is obviously BS. And the mainstream media pushes this crap to increase revenue?

Excerpt from the daily briefing:

QUESTION:Is there a prohibition now on using a personal address for government --

MS. HARF: Not to my knowledge, no. The rules as they stand now – and let me just pull this up so I have this – and NARA has continually updated their guidance. The September 2013 NARA guidance is that if an employee uses a personal email account to conduct official business, he or she is instructed to take steps to ensure that any records sent or received are preserved – for example, by forwarding it to an official government account. Those rules have been sent to all State Department employees to make sure they knew that. And again, this is an ongoing process to update records management. As you can all imagine, this is a huge undertaking for an organization as large as ours that actually hasn’t had email for – in the grand scheme of things – all that long.


QUESTION: Marie, can I follow up on that?


QUESTION: You said that – just a couple questions.


MS. HARF: Let’s do – let’s go one at a time.


QUESTION: You said there’s --


MS. HARF: Yep.


QUESTION: -- no classified material was sent over this email address? Either received or sent? So she --


MS. HARF: Correct. We have no indication that Secretary Clinton used her personal email account for anything but unclassified purposes.


QUESTION: So the Secretary never received a classified email in her entire span of --


MS. HARF: Well, Secretary Clinton did not have a classified email system. She had multiple other ways of communicating in a classified manner, including assistants or staff members printing classified documents for her, secure phone calls, or secure video conferences.

Daily Press Briefing - March 3, 2015
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LOL @ Harf !!

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2015/03/238132.htm

QUESTION: So that’s why it’s not – I mean, do you believe she’s breached any rule or law or practice known to you or to historians?

MS. HARF: As I said, there’s no prohibition on using this kind of email account as long as it’s preserved. She has taken steps to preserve those records by providing the State Department with the 55,000 pages, so – I’m not a NARA expert, but certainly, it sounds to me like that has been completed.
:lamo

QUESTION: Except that you wouldn’t really have any way of knowing if she had provided everything, unless you’re just taking her at her word for it, correct?

MS. HARF: I think 55,000 is a pretty big number, and --

:lamo :lamo :lamo

 

[bubbabgone]

Good afternoon MMC

I agree, and

as I asked Pete previously,

how do we know whether or not Clinton had email contact with foreign heads of state, officials, politicians here or abroad, or other non-government entities if there's no access or government control of the backup and storage of such emails. It's useless to say, as the Clintonites do, that all Hillary's government business emails were backed up on the government system by those she corresponded with - that's only half the story.

And let's not forget, this new Archives law/regulation wouldn't come into effect or be needed if private email accounts had always been properly controlled and maintained.

... and what was the reply? A link to Little Green Footballs?

 

[MMC]

LOL @ Harf !!

Daily Press Briefing - March 3, 2015

QUESTION: So that’s why it’s not – I mean, do you believe she’s breached any rule or law or practice known to you or to historians?

MS. HARF: As I said, there’s no prohibition on using this kind of email account as long as it’s preserved. She has taken steps to preserve those records by providing the State Department with the 55,000 pages, so – I’m not a NARA expert, but certainly, it sounds to me like that has been completed.
:lamo

QUESTION: Except that you wouldn’t really have any way of knowing if she had provided everything, unless you’re just taking her at her word for it, correct?

MS. HARF: I think 55,000 is a pretty big number, and --

:lamo :lamo :lamo

Harf needs to read her handbook.....just sayin.



44 USC Chapter 31, which is titled RECORDS MANAGEMENT BY FEDERAL AGENCIES.


"The head of each Federal agency shall make and preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency and designed to furnish the information necessary to protect the legal and financial rights of the Government and of persons directly affected by the agency’s activities" "§ 1236.22 What are the additional requirements for managing electronic mail records? (a) Agencies must issue instructions to staff on the following retention and management requirements for electronic mail records:

(1) The names of sender and all addressee(s) and date the message was sent must be preserved for each electronic mail record in order for the context of the message to be understood. The agency may determine that other metadata is needed to meet agency business needs, e.g., receipt information. (2) Attachments to electronic mail messages that are an integral part of the record must be preserved as part of the electronic mail record or linked to the electronic mail record with other related records.

(3) If the electronic mail system identifies users by codes or nicknames or identifies addressees only by the name of a distribution list, retain the intelligent or full names on directories or distributions lists to ensure identification of the sender and addressee(s) of messages that are records. (b) Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system.".....snip~

 

[2AFred]

I think it will be interesting if they ever do get their hands on these emails thru FOIA. She will be in a Catch 22 - they can't justify redacting anything as classified without having a big problem with using this email for classified comms.
This has the potential to be very interesting...

 

[Atiya]

At the daily press briefing March 3, the deputy State Dept spokesperson indicated she didn't need one, she had other ways of communicating. So, what we have now, is the meme that says she used her personal email to send and receive classified information which is obviously BS. And the mainstream media pushes this crap to increase revenue?

Daily Press Briefing - March 3, 2015
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The media is certainly not letting any grass grow while hyping this latest uproar regarding Hillary Clinton and her home server; the Republicans are near bursting with excitement thinking they have something to take down their strongest Democratic opponent. Mrs. Clinton is not the first government official — or first secretary of state — to use a personal email account on which to conduct official business.

It is Interesting to note that numerous other State Department and other government officials have used private email accounts, partially or exclusively, including Secretary of State Colin Powell who only used a personal email account.

None of this has stopped the Twitter jihad, and especially conservatives on Twitter, from jumping to all kinds of wildly uninformed, unthinking conclusions in spite of the fact that it appears we have yet another dubiously-reported bombshell. The morally bankrupt Republicans are so desperate to get something nefarious on Hillary Clinton that they're on the verge of hysteria. The e-mail server in Clinton's home doesn't faze me at all. This too will die down like the Benghazi so-called scandal. One just has to close one's eyes to the GOP's hype and the media looking for a story.....after all, political brouhaha regarding the Clintons sell papers!

 

[CanadaJohn]

... and what was the reply? A link to Little Green Footballs?

There was no real reply, just that he had no way of knowing - which was the point of the question, actually. I don't have an answer either.

 

[Fearandloathing]

I felt the new one was needed because others are dismissive of the other thread. People were saying she had only one email, so they conclude she must have used her personal email account to do her job. As you plainly see that isn't the case.

And so you clog up the forum with a 5 day old 'press briefing" where there were no concrete answers...other than Harf thinks 55,000 pages is "a lot".

Seriously, this thread is an insult to the forum. The best you have is nearly a week old, the assertions of an incompetent dolt and two of three of your supporters are merely trolling. This **** belongs over at Political Forum

 

[bubbabgone]

You know ... we're all used to the delay and distract tactics in the Left's defense of their scandals but I think we may have missed the rollout of a new page in the playbook ... I don't know about anyone else but I'm starting to feel sorry for some of her defenders here.
Pity can be a strong emotion to control even when you know they're full of crap and trying to play you.

 

[CanadaJohn]

The media is certainly not letting any grass grow while hyping this latest uproar regarding Hillary Clinton and her home server; the Republicans are near bursting with excitement thinking they have something to take down their strongest Democratic opponent. Mrs. Clinton is not the first government official — or first secretary of state — to use a personal email account on which to conduct official business.

It is Interesting to note that numerous other State Department and other government officials have used private email accounts, partially or exclusively, including Secretary of State Colin Powell who only used a personal email account.

None of this has stopped the Twitter jihad, and especially conservatives on Twitter, from jumping to all kinds of wildly uninformed, unthinking conclusions in spite of the fact that it appears we have yet another dubiously-reported bombshell. The morally bankrupt Republicans are so desperate to get something nefarious on Hillary Clinton that they're on the verge of hysteria. The e-mail server in Clinton's home doesn't faze me at all. This too will die down like the Benghazi so-called scandal. One just has to close one's eyes to the GOP's hype and the media looking for a story.....after all, political brouhaha regarding the Clintons sell papers!

You might find it interesting and relevant to note that the Archives law/regulations that came into effect around this issue were enacted in 2009 through 2013, long after Colin Powell was Secretary of State and during the tenure of Hillary Clinton. You also might find it interesting that there may not have been need for such a law/regulations if Clinton and previous Secretaries of State had been properly and completely backing up and safely storing their private email accounts and giving the government and the Archives full and unfiltered access before the law came into effect. Usually, there's no need to enact a law if there isn't a problem.

But hey, I suppose there was a time when people drove drunk and weren't charged because their wasn't a law then - so everyone who drinks and drives now should get off free because people before them did it.

 

[MMC]

And so you clog up the forum with a 5 day old 'press briefing" where there were no concrete answers...other than Harf thinks 55,000 pages is "a lot".

Seriously, this thread is an insult to the forum. The best you have is nearly a week old, the assertions of an incompetent dolt and two of three of your supporters are merely trolling. This **** belongs over at Political Forum

Well, he did say he didn't like how the other thread turned out as all was dismissing the deflections thrown up by the Hillary Supporters.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Well, he did say he didn't like how the other thread turned out as all was dismissing the deflections thrown up by the Hillary Supporters.

not surprised he admitted he's headlining....

 

[Fearandloathing]

The media is certainly not letting any grass grow while hyping this latest uproar regarding Hillary Clinton and her home server; the Republicans are near bursting with excitement thinking they have something to take down their strongest Democratic opponent. Mrs. Clinton is not the first government official — or first secretary of state — to use a personal email account on which to conduct official business.

It is Interesting to note that numerous other State Department and other government officials have used private email accounts, partially or exclusively, including Secretary of State Colin Powell who only used a personal email account.

None of this has stopped the Twitter jihad, and especially conservatives on Twitter, from jumping to all kinds of wildly uninformed, unthinking conclusions in spite of the fact that it appears we have yet another dubiously-reported bombshell. The morally bankrupt Republicans are so desperate to get something nefarious on Hillary Clinton that they're on the verge of hysteria. The e-mail server in Clinton's home doesn't faze me at all. This too will die down like the Benghazi so-called scandal. One just has to close one's eyes to the GOP's hype and the media looking for a story.....after all, political brouhaha regarding the Clintons sell papers!

You know that's a bull**** excuse....

It was not against any regulations or laws before Hillary needed a law to keep her in check.

And, sorry, but it's time. The political winds have shifted. Your "enemies", the hated Republicans, are now in control of congress and Obama has no say ion what the news will be anymore. We have seen seven years of "enemies" bashing, from Obama and his tantrums and games, to Harry Reid and the insults of "terrorists, jihadists, and traitors!"

Now the other side has the **** to fling and it is your turn. Payback is fair and a real bitch. But after the trashing of Romney, Sarah Palin and Bush, "it's Bush's fault" for seven weary years, they get to shoot back.

Please remain calm and comfortable, and get used to it. This is the tip of the proverbial iceberg of what Hillary and the rest of the lying ****-offs can expect over the next two years.

Have a great day, eh?

 

[MMC]

You know ... we're all used to the delay and distract tactics in the Left's defense of their scandals but I think we may have missed the rollout of a new page in the playbook ... I don't know about anyone else but I'm starting to feel sorry for some of her defenders here.
Pity can be a strong emotion to control even when you know they're full of crap and trying to play you.

<snip>
“We do know she must have had classified secrets,” Napolitano insisted. “She as the secretary of state — there are four levels of security clearances. She and the president and General Petraeus and the secretary of defense, people of that nature have the highest level.” (VIDEO: State Department Spokesman Struggles To Explain Hillary’s Private Emails)

“But the other problem that she faces is far more serious, and that is a conspiracy to deflect documents, to conceal documents from government computers by keeping them from the government computers,” he said. “That exposes her to three years in jail, per document. And a conviction also exposes her to disqualification from holding office in the future, under the United States of America.”
<snip>

Napolitano: Clinton Faces 'Three Years In Jail Per Document' | The Daily Caller

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[Fearandloathing]

Try again Pete I know the NY Times broke the story out. That's why the AP, NBC, Judicial Watch, and Gawker all joined in.

So that's what you and Media Matters is up against. Not even sitting in the Salon down in the Demo Underground can help save the day now. Just the way it is.

And where is the hated Fox?

Man oh man...

If it breaks on Fox, it's biased. If it breaks in the most liberal newspaper in the country it is a "non story".

A non story that leads the news in two countries involving 400 million people is a "non-story"


And they really expect us to respect them? I gave up believing them about five years ago, now it is down to a slow erosion of basic human respect.

 

[MMC]

And where is the hated Fox?

Man oh man...

If it breaks on Fox, it's biased. If it breaks in the most liberal newspaper in the country it is a "non story".

A non story that leads the news in two countries involving 400 million people is a "non-story"


And they really expect us to respect them? I gave up believing them about five years ago, now it is down to a slow erosion of basic human respect.

Well, you know Fox will be talking about her Conspiracy to deflect documents and conceal documents from government computers. That she cannot be treated as if she is above the Law.

Nor that she was talking down to the little people and telling all not to do what she was doing.

 

[justabubba]

Of course they didn't setup an account at State because she didn't need one. If you talking about her personal email server in her home they wouldn't have anything to do with that. Thats her own personal property and she has graciously said she will turn over her 55,000 pages of email.

pete, how do we know those 55,000 pages are the entirety of the emails having something to do with her state department/official activities
how can we be certain that some documents she would not want the public to see were actually deleted to avoid possible public exposure

 

[Grim17]

I felt the new one was needed because others are dismissive of the other thread. People were saying she had only one email, so they conclude she must have used her personal email account to do her job. As you plainly see that isn't the case.

Pete, you just don't get it and what's sad is, you never will.

You began to see the light a few days ago until you found what you thought was another out. An excuse that would make this all go away and vindicate Media Matters, which everyone knows is your primary motivation here.

You can quibble over what government business she did, and did not conduct on her personal email account as you have for nearly a week now, but it won't change the problem that even the democrat friendly media in America has with this. Here are a few quotes that allude to the central problem, from stories written by media outlets that are considered anything but republican friendly:


The Atlantic:

... Instead, the State Department confirmed that it didn’t have the emails at all."

This is exactly why Clinton's behavior was unacceptable: It enabled her to conceal at least some official correspondence that the press and the public had a right to see...​

The Washington Post:

Her decision to exclusively use a private e-mail account while secretary suggests she made a deliberate decision to shield her messages from scrutiny. It was a mistake that reflects poor judgment about a public trust.​

Mother Jones:

The whole point of preserving official records of government business is to have this material controlled by the government, not by the individual official or employee. Yet in this case, Clinton and her aides apparently did not preserve all her emails within the system.​

CNBC:

The cynicism at play here is breathtaking. The State Department only has the emails that Clinton's own loyalists decided to turn over after reviewing all the correspondence that came through her clintonemail.com address. Sure it's 55,000 pages of email. But that's a meaningless number. Clinton aides could easily have held back any email they felt might show the former secretary in a purely political light or otherwise embarrass her​

Politico:

The spokeswoman confirmed that the department relies on Clinton’s camp to decide which email were work-related​

That is the main issue here Pete and always has been.

There is simply no legitimate reason for her not to have had and used a government email account when she was SOS. Choosing to exclusively use only a private email account on her own personal, private server, points to one thing and one thing only... An attempt to evade transparency and prevent the public, as well as any government oversight bodies from evaluating any email communications she didn't want them to see.

So even if she didn't break the law and didn't violate any regulations, it won't change how damning this story is.

 

[Grim17]

I see Grim is here, I wonder if he has a comment?

That's correct... Unlike you and Hillary, I don't feel the need to be secretive, so I don't hide from everyone when I'm here.

 

[pbrauer]

pete, how do we know those 55,000 pages are the entirety of the emails having something to do with her state department/official activities
how can we be certain that some documents she would not want the public to see were actually deleted to avoid possible public exposure

I guess to believe Hillary Clinton used her personal email account to conduct State dept business, you would have to assume she isn't very bright or has wanton disregard for the security of the United States. Also there would be people who received her emails would come forward and declare they received them. I feel pretty sure this is all BS.

 

[Fenton]

I think it will be interesting if they ever do get their hands on these emails thru FOIA. She will be in a Catch 22 - they can't justify redacting anything as classified without having a big problem with using this email for classified comms.
This has the potential to be very interesting...

They CAN'T get access to the E-mails she personally deleted. FOIA request cannot bring back E-mails deleted on a personal Email server. That's the whole purpose of setting up a private E-mail server.