Hillary: Even Open-Minded Whites Get Nervous Around Blacks In Hoodies

[NonoBadDog]

You will when you see the next polls after the dog-and-pony show in two weeks.

Btw, GOPs don't give a damn about Israel--see John Sununu with Nixon.

All this GOP treason breaking the Logan Act on Iran has been about is angling for more Jewish-American votes, in which 75% go to DEMs .

I am going to take the chance that you actually want to have an intelligent discussion rather than trolling. They won't get the Jewish vote. Never have, never will.

 

[NonoBadDog]

That's disturbing.

They need to work on her presentation. It really is kinda strange.

 

[NonoBadDog]

She wasn't making a racist statement against whites. None of the candidates are doing very well with the minority vote. All of them are (Sanders and Omalley included) going out of their way to make statements to get their support. At most it might be desperation.

 

[US Conservative]

She wasn't making a racist statement against whites. None of the candidates are doing very well with the minority vote. All of them are (Sanders and Omalley included) going out of their way to make statements to get their support. At most it might be desperation.

They were boo'd last week, you could see they were completely caught off guard.

 

[NonoBadDog]

They were boo'd last week, you could see they were completely caught off guard.

I would have to see a video of that to react to comment but I know folks aren't stupid. I think they are getting tired of getting played, just like all of us.

 

[US Conservative]

I would have to see a video of that to react to comment but I know folks aren't stupid. I think they are getting tired of getting played, just like all of us.

As you can see, its not going so well.

 

[NonoBadDog]

As you can see, its not going so well.

The problem I see is the inner city folks aren't making any headway after all the promises both political parties have made. They feel stuck between a rock and a hard spot and some of them are getting more vocal about it.

 

[Linc]

I am going to take the chance that you actually want to have an intelligent discussion rather than trolling.
They won't get the Jewish vote. Never have, never will.

Then as an intelligent mod/con DEM, I'll point out to you that GOPs are already planning to disrupt DEM town hall meetings during the upcoming August recess.
Over the Iran Deal--where we've seen the treasonous Sen. Cotton call SoS Kerry Pontius Pilate and a host of GOPs break the Logan Act.

You may remember the GOPs doing the same thing in 2009 on ACA before the
disastrous 2010 election that has given us the most impotent House we've ever had.

And yes I have read your VA comments--my Dad was 30 years Air Force .

 

[NonoBadDog]

Then as an intelligent mod/con DEM, I'll point out to you that GOPs are already planning to disrupt DEM town hall meetings during the upcoming August recess.
Over the Iran Deal--where we've seen the treasonous Sen. Cotton call SoS Kerry Pontius Pilate and a host of GOPs break the Logan Act.

You may remember the GOPs doing the same thing in 2009 on ACA before the
disastrous 2010 election that has given us the most impotent House we've ever had .

If they actually do that it would be wrong and I would condemn it. The ACA town meetings weren't restricted to one party. Those folks had a right to express their feelings. They could have done it differently tho.

 

[US Conservative]

The problem I see is the inner city folks aren't making any headway after all the promises both political parties have made. They feel stuck between a rock and a hard spot and some of them are getting more vocal about it.

Yeah you are probably right but where can this go? Last I checked any group has to work with the others to get meaningful change. What does BLM want to do? If it fails, then what?

Its got its own history of violence and frankly, reminds me more of occupy wall street than a focused group. They need a focused, actionable, and realistic agenda, what is is?

 

[NonoBadDog]

Yeah you are probably right but where can this go? Last I checked any group has to work with the others to get meaningful change. What does BLM want to do? If it fails, then what?

Its got its own history of violence and frankly, reminds me more of occupy wall street than a focused group. They need a focused, actionable, and realistic agenda, what is is?

They have some pretty smart community organizers rising in Chicago. They are starting to meet with each other, from different neighborhoods, and are making a little headway holding the city govts feet to the fire. They need more of a voice tho. I hope they grow in numbers, stay calm and present a strong message.

 

[US Conservative]

They have some pretty smart community organizers rising in Chicago. They are starting to meet with each other, from different neighborhoods, and are making a little headway holding the city govts feet to the fire. They need more of a voice tho. I hope they grow in numbers, stay calm and present a strong message.

I hope so too, right now they don't appear to be calm, lots of yelling in fact. But a mob of people just screaming isn't going to go very far.

 

[NonoBadDog]

I hope so too, right now they don't appear to be calm, lots of yelling in fact. But a mob of people just screaming isn't going to go very far.

They are still disorganized. The feel like the both parties have abandoned them. The Democrats think they already have the votes so they ignore them and the Republicans think they can't get their votes so they ignore them. It has to get fixed but our politicians are too busy being politicians rather than fixing problems.

 

[US Conservative]

They are still disorganized. The feel like the both parties have abandoned them. The Democrats think they already have the votes so they ignore them and the Republicans think they can't get their votes so they ignore them. It has to get fixed but our politicians are too busy being politicians rather than fixing problems.

For the time being, lets assume everything you say is true.

How long is it going to take?

Why appear as they do?

Do they really think that behavior will change things?

I suspect they know this too.

Lets see it when its organized.

As of now its Occupy 2.0

 

[NonoBadDog]

For the time being, lets assume everything you say is true.

How long is it going to take?

Why appear as they do?

Do they really think that behavior will change things?

I suspect they know this too.

Lets see it when its organized.

As of now its Occupy 2.0

Who knows? There are real problems and perceived problems. Some are valid and some are self victimization caused by real problems. Some of the expectations are reasonable and some are just out of the realm of possibility. I would hate to see it come to a head.

 

[US Conservative]

Who knows? There are real problems and perceived problems. Some are valid and some are self victimization caused by real problems. Some of the expectations are reasonable and some are just out of the realm of possibility. I would hate to see it come to a head.

So would I, but I know leftists. If the left cant even get on amongst itself, why should it expect that of others?

 

[CNY-Man]

“For a lot of well-meaning, open-minded white people, the sight of a young black man in a hoodie still evokes a twinge of fear.”

To those in this thread criticizing her for saying that, do you think the statement is incorrect?

I think the statement is at a minimum disingenuous and pandering. I notice she does not say ("For a lot of US well-meaning, open-minded white people...." Rather she patronizingly speaks about those "other people" who are not fully enlightened. Further I do think she is incorrect that a lot of people feel fear (she did not say nervous) just from seeing a black person in a hoodie. If I see ANY person with their hoodie up in warm weather, like the white man last week apparently casing out houses as he walked down the street talking on his phone, I will be more wary. YES, I'm even more wary if the person is black - it was 2 young blacks with hoodies up that tried to burglarize our house last year, and it was a black man who I found trying to get into my car later in the year. The statistical reality is that young black men are more likely to commit crime than are whites.

As for it being white people having that attitude: “There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” Is it white privilege that Jesse Jackson said that?

 

[Tsunami]

She was calling whites racist here.

Racism is human nature. Everyone is racist. If you are "well-meaning and open-minded" that means you are fighting the innate aversion we have against outsiders. That's what tolerance is about, not denial.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

What I find interesting, is that in many clubs in my hometown of Newark, NJ, the hoodie among other articles of clothing remained banned.

I wonder why that is....

 

[CNY-Man]

Racism is human nature. Everyone is racist. If you are "well-meaning and open-minded" that means you are fighting the innate aversion we have against outsiders. That's what tolerance is about, not denial.

Asserting that everyone is racist depends on a greatly expanded definition of racist. I would agree that everyone has prejudices, and many of them are race-centric. That is not the same as believing that "all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races," or that "race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race."

Too many people have muddled the meanings of racism, prejudice and discrimination.

 

[sangha]

I think the statement is at a minimum disingenuous and pandering. I notice she does not say ("For a lot of US well-meaning, open-minded white people...." Rather she patronizingly speaks about those "other people" who are not fully enlightened. Further I do think she is incorrect that a lot of people feel fear (she did not say nervous) just from seeing a black person in a hoodie. If I see ANY person with their hoodie up in warm weather, like the white man last week apparently casing out houses as he walked down the street talking on his phone, I will be more wary. YES, I'm even more wary if the person is black - it was 2 young blacks with hoodies up that tried to burglarize our house last year, and it was a black man who I found trying to get into my car later in the year. The statistical reality is that young black men are more likely to commit crime than are whites.

As for it being white people having that attitude: “There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” Is it white privilege that Jesse Jackson said that?

IOW, you agree with her statement, you think it's true, but you criticize her for saying it.

 

[faithful_servant]

"Idiots Are Us" would be an appropriate description for the vomit and diarrhea being sprayed
by the not-so-sweet sixteen lepers running for the GOP ignominious title .

Did you say something?

Of course--something you can't respond to.
I suggest a towel over your TV two weeks from tonight--so you don't gag watching the body language of the GOP top ten bozos . opcorn:

I can respond. I don't care enough to respond.

Stay on your toes, Nono, this is a subject that makes Hillary look bad, so the Hillary-loving lefties here are going to everything they can to derail the discussion. Can't be having an honest discussion about the flaws of a Dem. candidate...

 

[faithful_servant]

“For a lot of well-meaning, open-minded white people, the sight of a young black man in a hoodie still evokes a twinge of fear.”

To those in this thread criticizing her for saying that, do you think the statement is incorrect?

It doesn't bother me. If they want to wear a hoodie, let them. We had a guy walking around our community wearing an orange jumpsuit (prison style) that had a lot of people freaking out about it. I just walked up to the guy and asked him if he was intentionally trying to make people nervous or if he was really that clueless. He just shrugged his shoulders and walked away. I wasn't scared, just amused that he thought that that style of dress was OK. Funny thing is, that was the last time I saw him in that jumpsuit...

 

[NonoBadDog]

Stay on your toes, Nono, this is a subject that makes Hillary look bad, so the Hillary-loving lefties here are going to everything they can to derail the discussion. Can't be having an honest discussion about the flaws of a Dem. candidate...

Thanks. I am a long term thinker. Pooh always floats to the surface. I think they have HUGE problems right now. I am kinda all tingly right now. The more they react like this the more it smells like desperation.

 

[US Conservative]

Thanks. I am a long term thinker. Pooh always floats to the surface. I think they have HUGE problems right now. I am kinda all tingly right now. The more they react like this the more it smells like desperation.

Every passing day they are watching the flawed candidate that they think is their best chance at the white house slip away. First comes denial, then name calling and flinging poo, and later they will calmly say they knew it all along.

First they lose trust, then they get worried.