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Hillary Clinton Testimony at House Select Committee on Benghazi, Part 1

Also, can someone tell me why these Republicans weren't interested in investigating the 13 attacks on consulates and 60 deaths under Bush?

Prior to Benghazi, were there 13 attacks on embassies and 60 deaths under President George W. Bush? | PolitiFact

13 Benghazis That Occurred on Bush's Watch Without a Peep from Fox NewsÂ*|Â*Bob Cesca



Seems to me that after, oh, ten attacks...you should probably expect more of that kind of thing.
In that case shouldn't more security have been a priority for Hillary Clinton, especially given that Christopher Stevens had asked for such security dozens of times? Here dereliction has become all the more obvious.
 
No one asked Hilary Clinton either. She made the claim without any questions, or evidence.
My recollection is that no one said squat about the video until Fox News brought it up. I believe that the administration, knowing that the Benghazi compound was a CIA spook site, used that Fox report for cover. After all, when it comes to clandestine efforts in the ME, the more smoke the government could blow up everyone's ass about what really goes on there the better.

Here we go
Greta Van Susteren: "Both Attacks Were Triggered By A Movie Produced In The United States That Protesters Say Is Anti-Muslim." On the September 11, 2012 edition of Fox News' On the Record with Greta Van Susteren, Van Susteren twice repeated an Associated Press story that cited an anti-Islam video as a trigger for the Benghazi attack:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/10/23/benghazi-flashback-when-fox-news-reported-that/206391
 
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In that case shouldn't more security have been a priority for Hillary Clinton, especially given that Christopher Stevens had asked for such security dozens of times? Here dereliction has become all the more obvious.

Dozens of times is an exaggeration and the security situation and what Stevens wanted or would accept is a bit unclear isn't it? Apparently Stevens twice turned down offers of more security by Ham just weeks before the attack.
 
My recollection is that no one said squat about the video until Fox News brought it up. I believe that the administration, knowing that the Benghazi compound was a CIA spook site, used that Fox report for cover. After all, when it comes to clandestine efforts in the ME, the more smoke the government could blow up everyone's ass about what really goes on there the better. Here we go
I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you saying that the story of the video began with Greta Van Susteren? It seems to have been planted because, from your link, "On the September 11, 2012 edition of Fox News' On the Record with Greta Van Susteren, Van Susteren twice repeated an Associated Press story that cited an anti-Islam video as a trigger for the Benghazi attack."
 
Dozens of times is an exaggeration and the security situation and what Stevens wanted or would accept is a bit unclear isn't it? Apparently Stevens twice turned down offers of more security by Ham just weeks before the attack.
That story certainly conflicts with the email requests sent by Chris Stevens to Hillary Clinton. More Than 600 Benghazi Security Requests Never Reached Clinton?s Desk, But Reports on Libya from Her ?Friend? Did

Would that really be a decision for Stevens to make rather than Hillary Clinton and the military? Especially since others had already pulled out of the area for fear of violence.
 
I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you saying that the story of the video began with Greta Van Susteren? It seems to have been planted because, from your link, "On the September 11, 2012 edition of Fox News' On the Record with Greta Van Susteren, Van Susteren twice repeated an Associated Press story that cited an anti-Islam video as a trigger for the Benghazi attack."

The link a d quote said it was first reported by the AP. you said Hillary said it first, without being asked. I seriously doubt that.
 
Who cares what she said, and to whom, and when?? At this point, what difference does it make?? Are you so determined to attack Mrs. Clinton for partisan gain that you've neglected to consider the possibility that she had the flu that day and was dehydrated, and that this made her feel light-headed and clouded her thinking? After all, she had just that happen once when she was on stage, and she fainted and had to be checked into a hospital. I wonder if you are not picking on her just because you feel threatened by such a powerful, intelligent woman.

I notice you take the opportunity also to attack our marvelous President and Susan Rice, the brilliant woman who was then our Ambassador to the U.N. Of course they are both black. I wonder if that is just a coincidence. I've noticed that the same people who are part of the right-wingers' War on Women are often part of the War on Blacks. And your name suggests you are also one of those people who lead cheers for that stupid 2d amendment. I think Mr. Obama should have re-peeled that awful, outdated thing by executive order a long time ago.

:2funny: One important point that you missed is that Mr. Obama is also white. That makes only half of the 3 black. :lol:
 
Ok. Here is the proof. On 9/11 when the attack happened in Benghazi, Hillary emailed Chelsea Clinton as well as the leaders of Egypt/Libya and stating that the attack was an al qaeda-like attack. In other words, an organized terrorist attack. Not just a bunch of guys who thought they'd go out and kill some Americans (as she put it).
For the days and weeks following the attack, she was pushing the youtube video narrative along with Obama and Susan Rice. How much more proof do you need that she lied about it?




Thank you; it seems there are a few recent articles I hadn't heard about.




1. Fox says specifically that one email says, "two of our officers were killed in Benghazi by an al-Qaeda like group."



2. Call notes of call with Egyptian PM Kandil.

Clinton: "So we know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack - not a protest."

Kandil: [redacted]

Clinton "Your not kidding. Based on the information we saw today we believe that the group that claimed responsibility for this was affiliated with Al Queda."


3. Hillary to Libyan president refers to a "gun battle ... which I understand Ansar al-Sharia is claiming responsibiliy for."

These 3 Emails Show What Hillary Was Really Saying About Benghazi | Fox News Insider


"Why didn't you just speak plain to the American people?" Jordan asked.

"I did," Clinton replied. "If you look at my statement, as opposed to what I was saying to the Egyptian prime minister, I did state clearly. I said it again in more detail the next morning, as did the president."

Hillary Clinton's Long-Awaited Benghazi Hearing Marked by Testy Exchanges - ABC News

vs.

http://benghazi.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/documents/Tab 51.pdf




(Of course, Paperview is also right. We have the guy who planned the attack and he is saying that he did plan it after hearing about the video and getting mad).




Who cares what she said, and to whom, and when?? At this point, what difference does it make?? Are you so determined to attack Mrs. Clinton for partisan gain that you've neglected to consider the possibility that she had the flu that day and was dehydrated, and that this made her feel light-headed and clouded her thinking? After all, she had just that happen once when she was on stage, and she fainted and had to be checked into a hospital. I wonder if you are not picking on her just because you feel threatened by such a powerful, intelligent woman.

I notice you take the opportunity also to attack our marvelous President and Susan Rice, the brilliant woman who was then our Ambassador to the U.N. Of course they are both black. I wonder if that is just a coincidence. I've noticed that the same people who are part of the right-wingers' War on Women are often part of the War on Blacks. And your name suggests you are also one of those people who lead cheers for that stupid 2d amendment. I think Mr. Obama should have re-peeled that awful, outdated thing by executive order a long time ago.





:2funny: One important point that you missed is that Mr. Obama is also white. That makes only half of the 3 black. :lol:





I told you that I actually hadn't been aware about those most recent revelations which are finally direct evidence that Clinton was in fact lying, most specifically the call with Kandil of which I was unaware. So, you two goobers can stuff it....
 
That story certainly conflicts with the email requests sent by Chris Stevens to Hillary Clinton. More Than 600 Benghazi Security Requests Never Reached Clinton?s Desk, But Reports on Libya from Her ?Friend? Did

Would that really be a decision for Stevens to make rather than Hillary Clinton and the military? Especially since others had already pulled out of the area for fear of violence.

Obviously with hindsight it's clear we should have closed the consulate and annex. So I'm not sure what the point is here. At the time, Hillary would have exactly ZERO first hand knowledge of the security situation in those facilities and would depend on the assessments of others - chief among them the Ambassador. There is a real value in second guessing decisions made without perfect hindsight but this exercise now, three years later, has nothing to do with that kind of intelligent after action analysis that every organization should do after a major failure.

As an aside, it's always interesting how these were at least in large part CIA spook operations, and the CIA never enters into these discussions. What was Petraeus doing when his offices were not defensible, his men vulnerable to attack? Wouldn't he or other CIA personnel have a lot of input into shutting down their operations in Benghazi. I'd think they'd have significant input, so where was the CIA when their people were left in harm's way? Perhaps the fact that it was a spook operation affected the decision by Stevens not to draw attention to them by a beefed up military security presence? We may never know but these seem like reasonable questions and no one seems to care, probably because he's not running for POTUS and isn't a democrat.
 
I told you that I actually hadn't been aware about those most recent revelations which are finally direct evidence that Clinton was in fact lying, most specifically the call with Kandil of which I was unaware. So, you two goobers can stuff it....

I have to at least thank you for admitting she lied. That's really all I can ask. You are the only liberal I have seen who actually admitted that fact. So - THANK YOU for being honest.
 
I told you that I actually hadn't been aware about those most recent revelations which are finally direct evidence that Clinton was in fact lying, most specifically the call with Kandil of which I was unaware. So, you two goobers can stuff it....

Once again, you show everyone your opinion of this site's rules of civility.
 
Who cares what she said, and to whom, and when?? At this point, what difference does it make?? Are you so determined to attack Mrs. Clinton for partisan gain that you've neglected to consider the possibility that she had the flu that day and was dehydrated, and that this made her feel light-headed and clouded her thinking? After all, she had just that happen once when she was on stage, and she fainted and had to be checked into a hospital. I wonder if you are not picking on her just because you feel threatened by such a powerful, intelligent woman.

I notice you take the opportunity also to attack our marvelous President and Susan Rice, the brilliant woman who was then our Ambassador to the U.N. Of course they are both black. I wonder if that is just a coincidence. I've noticed that the same people who are part of the right-wingers' War on Women are often part of the War on Blacks. And your name suggests you are also one of those people who lead cheers for that stupid 2d amendment. I think Mr. Obama should have re-peeled that awful, outdated thing by executive order a long time ago.

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Because mocking people you disagree with by falsely claiming they believe a bunch of absurd things is "civil"?
 
Re: Hillary is getting hammered hard! Fun times!

Yep. Today it's have health insurance; tomorrow it's to the ovens. :roll:

Umm. Depends on how bad climate change gets? :mrgreen:
 
I have to at least thank you for admitting she lied. That's really all I can ask. You are the only liberal I have seen who actually admitted that fact. So - THANK YOU for being honest.

She's been a G--damned liar all along, just like her perjurous husband, the Horny Hick, and her fellow Marxist, President Pinocchio ("If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan . . .") Remember the $100,000 this phony hag magically made on cattle futures years ago, without the benefit of even a trace of insider information? Remember the important document she claimed she just could not produce, which, just when she saw the axe was about to fall, suddenly was discovered where it had supposedly been hidden behind some stuff on a closet shelf?

My favorite, though, is Mrs. Clinton's performance in front of the flag-draped coffins that had just come back from Benghazi. Acting appropriately solemn, she blinked back the crocodile tears and spoke fondly of "Chris"--as if the murdered ambassador had been her longtime close personal friend. It was that horrid, blasphemous video! Even her husband could not have lied any more artfully, when he said, "I did not have sex with that woman." I saw the father of Tyrone Woods, one of the SEALS who died a hero in that jihadist attack, come within an inch of saying on TV that she lied to his face at that ceremony.
 
Obviously with hindsight it's clear we should have closed the consulate and annex.
In fact foresight was required, the same foresight the British and Red Cross used when they abandoned the area. Why didn't Hillary close Benghazi at that time also? The answer would appear to be the pretense that all was well in Libya after getting rid of Qaddafi. That pretense continued with the claim that it was all about an internet video.
[So I'm not sure what the point is here.QUOTE] The point is that Hillary lied and people died.
At the time, Hillary would have exactly ZERO first hand knowledge of the security situation in those facilities and would depend on the assessments of others - chief among them the Ambassador.
Why would she have ZERO first hand knowledge of one of the most dangerous areas of the world on such a memorable date?? Did she not know the British had left? The Red Cross? Do you sincerely believe that those dozens of emails asking for help never reached her desk?
There is a real value in second guessing decisions made without perfect hindsight but this exercise now, three years later, has nothing to do with that kind of intelligent after action analysis that every organization should do after a major failure.
Well i certainly hope the electorate doesn't compound that failure by making this lying incompetent their President.
 
^^
Because mocking people you disagree with by falsely claiming they believe a bunch of absurd things is "civil"?

I will mock any public figure I happen to feel like mocking, whenever I feel like doing it. Mrs. Clinton is a habitual liar who deserves no respect. Civility toward other posters here is the issue, and I have yet to respond to any post by Mrs. Clinton.
 
She's been a G--damned liar all along, just like her perjurous husband, the Horny Hick, and her fellow Marxist, President Pinocchio ("If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan . . .") Remember the $100,000 this phony hag magically made on cattle futures years ago, without the benefit of even a trace of insider information? Remember the important document she claimed she just could not produce, which, just when she saw the axe was about to fall, suddenly was discovered where it had supposedly been hidden behind some stuff on a closet shelf?

My favorite, though, is Mrs. Clinton's performance in front of the flag-draped coffins that had just come back from Benghazi. Acting appropriately solemn, she blinked back the crocodile tears and spoke fondly of "Chris"--as if the murdered ambassador had been her longtime close personal friend. It was that horrid, blasphemous video! Even her husband could not have lied any more artfully, when he said, "I did not have sex with that woman." I saw the father of Tyrone Woods, one of the SEALS who died a hero in that jihadist attack, come within an inch of saying on TV that she lied to his face at that ceremony.
Perhaps the hardcore sycophants need a reminder of just who she is. Hillary Clinton's Laundry List of Lies
 
In fact foresight was required, the same foresight the British and Red Cross used when they abandoned the area. Why didn't Hillary close Benghazi at that time also? The answer would appear to be the pretense that all was well in Libya after getting rid of Qaddafi. That pretense continued with the claim that it was all about an internet video.

What she knew would come from Stevens, who twice turned down offers of more security from Ham. And I don't know why they didn't close those facilities. Maybe the CIA had some input into that decision given they were spook operations staffed with CIA personnel or spooks under State Dept cover.


The point is that Hillary lied and people died. Why would she have ZERO first hand knowledge of one of the most dangerous areas of the world on such a memorable date?? Did she not know the British had left? The Red Cross? Do you sincerely believe that those dozens of emails asking for help never reached her desk?
Well i certainly hope the electorate doesn't compound that failure by making this lying incompetent their President.

Again, Stevens who knew a helluva lot more than Hillary decided to leave the heavily guarded embassy for a lightly guarded outpost on 9/11. You're expecting Hillary to have better information than a guy who lived there, every day. Clearly the State Dept, meaning Hillary as the head, and the CIA (Petraeus) was wrong to keep those facilities open and to not beef up security, but we knew THAT the instant the place was attacked and people killed.
 
In fact foresight was required, the same foresight the British and Red Cross used when they abandoned the area. Why didn't Hillary close Benghazi at that time also? The answer would appear to be the pretense that all was well in Libya after getting rid of Qaddafi. That pretense continued with the claim that it was all about an internet video.
[So I'm not sure what the point is here.QUOTE] The point is that Hillary lied and people died. Why would she have ZERO first hand knowledge of one of the most dangerous areas of the world on such a memorable date?? Did she not know the British had left? The Red Cross? Do you sincerely believe that those dozens of emails asking for help never reached her desk?
Well i certainly hope the electorate doesn't compound that failure by making this lying incompetent their President.

"Hillary lied, people died!" I think you're onto something there.

Another sign of dereliction that hasn't been mentioned much has to do with al-Zawahiri's call to arms that appeared a full day before the attack. The U.S. had killed Abu Yahya al-Libi, a Libyan and longtime Al Qaeda big shot, in a drone strike in North Waziristan a few months earlier. Now, on the eve of the anniversary of 9/11, the head of Al Qaeda had put out a message on a well-known jihadist website, acknowledging al-Libi's killing at the hands of the Americans, and calling on Libyans to avenge him. Surely that message was known to U.S. officials the minute it appeared. It's inconceivable that, eleven years after the 9/11 attacks, it was not the job of some group of people in the fifteen-plus U.S. intelligence agencies, translators of Arabic among them, constantly to monitor every known jihadist website and report what they saw.

Could any sentient adult consider who it was that had sent out this call for revenge, the date he had sent it out, the nationality of the person to be avenged, and the nation that had killed him, and not conclude it meant Americans in Libya would be at risk the next day, September 11? Thanks largely to Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, Qaddafi had been ousted, and Libya was chaotic. And what part of it was more so than Eastern Libya--Cyrenaica? Where could trouble be more likely to occur? That area had long been notorious as a hotbed of jihadists, which is just why the U.S. had been using drones during the summer of 2012 to conduct reconnaissance of jihadist camps near Derna, 150 miles or so east of Benghazi.

And yet, with a full day to respond to a very clear threat, apparently nothing was done. There was more than enough time to have flown in another couple drones and a few Hellfire missiles by cargo plane to the base being used for the Derna reconnaissance, which was probably near the coast in the far west of Egypt. That would have been a basic precaution, just to have some force on call in the area. Drones can also watch events on the ground when they are armed, and it would not have been any big undertaking to have one circling over Derna, and a second one over Benghazi on the eleventh, with a spare or two to relieve them.
 
What she knew would come from Stevens, who twice turned down offers of more security from Ham. And I don't know why they didn't close those facilities. Maybe the CIA had some input into that decision given they were spook operations staffed with CIA personnel or spooks under State Dept cover.
And, again, that's not what the emails say. I feel, though i'm not certain, that the first story was a plant. Why would anyone turn down security knowing what the situation was? That makes no sense whatsoever, but does fit in well with what Hillary tried to sell. You really should read some of the emails from Stevens.
Again, Stevens who knew a helluva lot more than Hillary decided to leave the heavily guarded embassy for a lightly guarded outpost on 9/11. You're expecting Hillary to have better information than a guy who lived there, every day. Clearly the State Dept, meaning Hillary as the head, and the CIA (Petraeus) was wrong to keep those facilities open and to not beef up security, but we knew THAT the instant the place was attacked and people killed.
Clinton knew who it was as soon as the place was attacked, yes but that's not what she said later. There is no confusion there.
 
In fact foresight was required, the same foresight the British and Red Cross used when they abandoned the area. Why didn't Hillary close Benghazi at that time also? The answer would appear to be the pretense that all was well in Libya after getting rid of Qaddafi. That pretense continued with the claim that it was all about an internet video.

"Hillary lied, people died!" I think you're onto something there.

Another sign of dereliction that hasn't been mentioned much has to do with al-Zawahiri's call to arms that appeared a full day before the attack. The U.S. had killed Abu Yahya al-Libi, a Libyan and longtime Al Qaeda big shot, in a drone strike in North Waziristan a few months earlier. Now, on the eve of the anniversary of 9/11, the head of Al Qaeda had put out a message on a well-known jihadist website, acknowledging al-Libi's killing at the hands of the Americans, and calling on Libyans to avenge him. Surely that message was known to U.S. officials the minute it appeared. It's inconceivable that, eleven years after the 9/11 attacks, it was not the job of some group of people in the fifteen-plus U.S. intelligence agencies, translators of Arabic among them, constantly to monitor every known jihadist website and report what they saw.

Could any sentient adult consider who it was that had sent out this call for revenge, the date he had sent it out, the nationality of the person to be avenged, and the nation that had killed him, and not conclude it meant Americans in Libya would be at risk the next day, September 11? Thanks largely to Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, Qaddafi had been ousted, and Libya was chaotic. And what part of it was more so than Eastern Libya--Cyrenaica? Where could trouble be more likely to occur? That area had long been notorious as a hotbed of jihadists, which is just why the U.S. had been using drones during the summer of 2012 to conduct reconnaissance of jihadist camps near Derna, 150 miles or so east of Benghazi.

And yet, with a full day to respond to a very clear threat, apparently nothing was done. There was more than enough time to have flown in another couple drones and a few Hellfire missiles by cargo plane to the base being used for the Derna reconnaissance, which was probably near the coast in the far west of Egypt. That would have been a basic precaution, just to have some force on call in the area. Drones can also watch events on the ground when they are armed, and it would not have been any big undertaking to have one circling over Derna, and a second one over Benghazi on the eleventh, with a spare or two to relieve them.
Yes, you're absolutely correct. That was known before this article was printed on September 13. And the article also points out terrorist attacks of the past, their motives, the threats, and plans for the future. This video thing is incomprehensible and directed at really stupid people. Pro-al Qaeda group seen behind deadly Benghazi attack - CNN.com
 
And, again, that's not what the emails say. I feel, though i'm not certain, that the first story was a plant. Why would anyone turn down security knowing what the situation was? That makes no sense whatsoever, but does fit in well with what Hillary tried to sell. You really should read some of the emails from Stevens.

We now obviously know that the State Department and the CIA erred in not beefing up security. That was known immediately after the deadly attacks. I have no real comment on whether that was obvious at the time or the various reasons why additional security was denied.

Clinton knew who it was as soon as the place was attacked, yes but that's not what she said later. There is no confusion there.

She didn't KNOW who did the attacks at that point - she was guessing. We hadn't even recovered the video at that point - it took weeks - and at various times several groups have claimed responsibility or been implicated in the attacks, several individuals arrested then released, etc.

And can you tell me why they attacked even today? Was it an act of terrorism, so just targeted at a handy U.S. facility that could have been any facility, or related to the CIA activities? Do we even KNOW what the CIA was doing? We've heard rumors, but I've never seen evidence or any admissions.
 
Re: Hillary is getting hammered hard! Fun times!

lol...ironic coming from someone who actually modeled his screen name after the act.

My screen name makes a statement of fact. So does yours. "Calamity" pretty much describes the democrat party these days.
 
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