Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....[W:153]

[MMC]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

tell us why the state department senior officials' emails were not timely preserved

They already stated why they weren't JB. Which is directly in opposition as to what Hillary told all before the cameras with out looking anyone in the eye.

Moreover, it explains why no other committees received anything from State with their requests. Kind of hard to send something to someone......when they don't have whats needed to be sent.

Which you tried to use this excuse earlier with thinking Cummings could help save the day. When he clearly couldn't and is out trying to cover his ass for doing all he can to assist in the deflecting the Benghazi Investigations and trying to help Hillary, and give cover for BO.

He failed!

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

see. done and doner

now. prove that she did transmit to the state department ALL the emails to which the state department was entitled

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/u...linton-emails-on-server-lawyer-says.html?_r=0

From you own reference:

“Not only was the secretary the sole arbiter of what was a public record, she also summarily decided to delete all emails from her server, ensuring no one could check behind her analysis in the public interest,” Mr. Gowdy said.

True or not true?

Mrs. Clinton’s “unprecedented email arrangement with herself and her decision nearly two years after she left office to permanently delete all emails” had deprived Americans of a full record of her time in office, he added.

True or not true?

“While it is not clear precisely when Secretary Clinton decided to permanently delete all emails from her server, it appears she made the decision after October 28, 2014, when the Department of State for the first time asked the Secretary to return her public record to the Department,” said Gowdy.
. . .
"She now has admitted to destroying subpoenaed evidence after she was on notice of the existence of the subpoena. That's known as obstruction of justice, as well as destruction of the documents," said Napolitano.

Judge Nap: 'Hillary Clinton Has Admitted to Obstruction of Justice'

And this would be a legal opinion from a legitimate and experienced judge, and not some left winger blog site, or BLSM.

He is a graduate of Princeton University and Notre Dame Law School. After law school, Napolitano entered private practice as a litigator. Napolitano first taught law for a brief period in 1980-1981 at Delaware Law School (then-Widener). Napolitano sat on the New Jersey bench from 1987 to 1995, becoming the state's youngest then-sitting Superior Court judge.

Andrew Napolitano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All that's lacking here is a federal prosecutor who has the integrity and courage to charge her. The facts of the case seem pretty straight forward.

not true
because then - as now - your side would insist that she was hiding something on her private email system and would then also want to go on a fishing expedition of her personal emails
and she anticipated that
which is why wiping (destroying, hopefully) her server was such a brilliant move. she thought many steps ahead of the rovians

'Such a brilliant move'. Since when is obstruction of justice, a federal criminal offense, a 'brilliant move'? Maybe only in Clinton land, or maybe only in liberal land, or maybe only in Democrat land. Here in the real world, it's not such a brilliant move.

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

They already stated why they weren't JB. Which is directly in opposition as to what Hillary told all before the cameras with out looking anyone in the eye.

Moreover, it explains why no other committees received anything from State with their requests. Kind of hard to send something to someone......when they don't have whats needed to be sent.

Which you tried to use this excuse earlier with thinking Cummings could help save the day. When he clearly couldn't and is out trying to cover his ass for doing all he can to assist in the deflecting the Benghazi Investigations and trying to help Hillary, and give cover for BO.

He failed!

i was so hoping you would take the bait to continue this line of dialogue
The National Archives has failed to keep up with digital records: Its incompetence is the real scandal behind Hillary Clinton’s email.

But the State Department disclosed on Friday that until last month it had no way of routinely preserving senior officials’ emails. Instead, the department relied on individual employees to decide if certain emails should be considered public records, and if so, to move them onto a special record-keeping server, or print them out and manually file them for preservation.

you know, what hillary actually did

... The problem is that the National Archives and Records Administration has been slow at setting rules and regulations for storing and filing digital records—and even slower at enforcing those rules.

The National Archives started the Electronic Records Archives in 2000, and funded pilot programs in 2008, but it didn’t start operating until 2012. ...

anyone here know who was the executive when the national archives was responsible for storing the electronic documents of all federal agencies?
who was the president when they failed at that task?

An internal audit, written by National Archives officials in 2005 (declassified in 2009 and summarized here), concluded that electronic records were “generally not disposed of in accordance” with federal regulations and, in particular, that many emails were “being destroyed prematurely.” The authors found several reasons for this. First, some officials were writing emails on their personal computers. (Clinton wasn’t the first to do this, but she might have been the first to do so exclusively.) Second, “because electronic records are less tangible than paper records,” officials tended not to regard them as “records needing to be filed and retired properly.” Third, in many offices, the job of “records custodian” rotated frequently and was often left vacant for long periods, and when a replacement was found, no one notified National Archives officials so they could come train the new guardian. Finally, even though the volume of digital records had exploded in recent years, the number of records custodians had declined “substantially.”

anybody in these forums know who was the executive in charge when this critical audit informed the government in 2005 that the archiving system was inadequate in multiple ways?

that's right, it's all hillary's fault
thanks for another laugh, mmc

 

[MMC]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

i was so hoping you would take the bait to continue this line of dialogue
The National Archives has failed to keep up with digital records: Its incompetence is the real scandal behind Hillary Clinton’s email.


you know, what hillary actually did


anyone here know who was the executive when the national archives was responsible for storing the electronic documents of all federal agencies?
who was the president when they failed at that task?


anybody in these forums know who was the executive in charge when this critical audit informed the government in 2005 that the archiving system was inadequate in multiple ways?

that's right, it's all hillary's fault
thanks for another laugh, mmc

:lol: Say what JB? :lamo How does that change that the State Dept said they didn't have Hillarys records after Hillary said they had them? How does that change the fact that Hillary never sent Gowdy all the emails she had and only sent 8. Then sends 300 in Feb with Gaps in them.

Now that is funny.....thanks for validating why 6 Benghazi committees couldn't get the records from the State Dept and as well as showing why Hillary can be held for Intentionally and willfully looking to Obstruct Justice. :mrgreen:

 

[imagep]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Because it shouldn't be up to her to decide which emails are personal and which are government.

So who do you think it should be up to? Bill (Clinton)? Some low level staffer? Some republican hack?

Yes, because she deleted them herself.

I really don't see an issue with that, as long as she only deleted personal emails. Does she need to pay someone to delete emails for her?

No! You've got it completely backwards. This is public information, and she deleted it without authorization, probably to conceal malfeasance. Public officials don't have the same entitled to privacy that private parties have. You don't need probable cause to get access to public documents.

You are making the assumption that she deleted official emails. As of yet, there is no evidence that would indicate that, although I'm pretty sure that Gowdy is trying to find some. All he has to do is to find one email (from the other end of the email) which she hasn't already turned over. Assuming that she really did delete official emails, that doesn't seem like it would be too hard, particularly when Gowdy has a budget in the millions to spend on this.

This is insane that I'm even having this argument with you! What is wrong with you today!! I feel like I'm talking to some tea-partier defending Bush.

I know how you feel.

Seriously, unless there is some evidence that she destroyed official emails, then it can't be assumed that she did. She had the opportunity to do that, but having the opportunity doesn't make someone guilty, and isn't enough to merit a search or seizure. I have the opportunty to have kiddie porn on my computer, but just the fact that it's possible, isn't evidence. How would you like your computer seized and searched, just because it's possible that you may have done something wrong?

For all I know, all the congressmen many have deleted emails, and they may have utilized a personal email server or non-govermental server, so should we seize all their personal computers and cell phones? After all, they had the opportunity to do so.

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

So who do you think it should be up to? Bill (Clinton)? Some low level staffer? Some republican hack?



I really don't see an issue with that, as long as she only deleted personal emails. Does she need to pay someone to delete emails for her?


You are making the assumption that she deleted official emails. As of yet, there is no evidence that would indicate that, although I'm pretty sure that Gowdy is trying to find some. All he has to do is to find one email (from the other end of the email) which she hasn't already turned over. Assuming that she really did delete official emails, that doesn't seem like it would be too hard, particularly when Gowdy has a budget in the millions to spend on this.



I know how you feel.

Seriously, unless there is some evidence that she destroyed official emails, then it can't be assumed that she did. She had the opportunity to do that, but having the opportunity doesn't make someone guilty, and isn't enough to merit a search or seizure. I have the opportunty to have kiddie porn on my computer, but just the fact that it's possible, isn't evidence. How would you like your computer seized and searched, just because it's possible that you may have done something wrong?

For all I know, all the congressmen many have deleted emails, and they may have utilized a personal email server or non-govermental server, so should we seize all their personal computers and cell phones? After all, they had the opportunity to do so.

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5char

 

[Guy Incognito]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

So who do you think it should be up to? Bill (Clinton)? Some low level staffer? Some republican hack?

What makes you think those ridiculous options are the only options. She should simply have turned over the whole server immediately when she left, but at this point the investigation needs to be conducted by a prosecutor.

I really don't see an issue with that, as long as she only deleted personal emails. Does she need to pay someone to delete emails for her?

You're still just taking her at her word.

You are making the assumption that she deleted official emails.

Yes, exactly.

How would you like your computer seized and searched, just because it's possible that you may have done something wrong?
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You know, if I were secretary of state I'd like it just fine. She has a moral and legal obligation of transparency.

Jesus, this level of partisan hackery is not something I expected from you. Government transparency is important!

When Snowden is leaking classified data and damaging national security you guys are loving it. But, when Hillary is destroying public data without any oversight, all of a sudden you and bubba and all the progressives out there are nowhere to be found.

So clearly your commitment to transparency only goes as far as your partisan politics.

 

[Guy Incognito]

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5char

No way. That's ridiculous. This is about transparency. You guys just love Hillary so much you're willing to sweep this **** aside. Trying to pretend like this is about her private emails is disingenuous. You are both engaging in the most rank hypocrisy, it's shocking.

 

[imagep]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

What makes you think those ridiculous options are the only options. She should simply have turned over the whole server immediately when she left

Yes, she should have, right after deleting her personal emails.

but at this point the investigation needs to be conducted by a prosecutor.

Why? Is there any evidence that she deleted official emails? Right there is the issue. We don't prosecute someone when there is no evidence that they did something wrong, and we don't search peoples property unless we have a reason to believe that they did something wrong.

Just not liking someone, or being suspicious of them, is not evidence that they did something wrong.



You're still just taking her at her word.



Yes, exactly.

this level of partisan hackery is not something I expected from you.

Partisan hackery is accusing someone of doing something wrong, just because you don't like them. If evidence is found that indicates she did (like if someone comes up with some official emails that she didn't turn over), then I will fully support a court order to force her to surrender her server. Until then, I fully support her constitutional right to not be searched.

 

[imagep]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

No way. That's ridiculous. This is about transparency. You guys just love Hillary so much you're willing to sweep this **** aside. Trying to pretend like this is about her private emails is disingenuous. You are both engaging in the most rank hypocrisy, it's shocking.

It's not about transparency. We have no right to her personal communications, and no reason to believe that she lied. The only reason this is an issue is because she had the opportunity to delete official emails, we have no reason to believe that she did.

I had the opportunity to rob a bank today. That doesn't mean that I robbed a bank, but if opportunity is evidence, then nearly everyone in the country should have their property searched to see if they robbed a bank. Of course the real issue is if a bank even got robbed today, I'm not aware that a bank got robbed, or that anyone deleted any official emails.

 

[Fletch]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

No way. That's ridiculous. This is about transparency. You guys just love Hillary so much you're willing to sweep this **** aside. Trying to pretend like this is about her private emails is disingenuous. You are both engaging in the most rank hypocrisy, it's shocking.

Its not all that shocking...

 

[Fletch]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

It's not about transparency. We have no right to her personal communications, and no reason to believe that she lied. The only reason this is an issue is because she had the opportunity to delete official emails, we have no reason to believe that she did.

I had the opportunity to rob a bank today. That doesn't mean that I robbed a bank, but if opportunity is evidence, then nearly everyone in the country should have their property searched to see if they robbed a bank. Of course the real issue is if a bank even got robbed today, I'm not aware that a bank got robbed, or that anyone deleted any official emails.

You either don't get it or don't want to. She intentionally mingled her personal and governmental communications on her own private server. She did that for one reason--to have complete control over what information would be available to the public. That is not how honest, open government is supposed to work. Then, when those communications were under subpoena she not only deleted them, she wiped the server clean. Who does that? Someone with something to hide, that's who. Imagine if this were Carl Rove or Dick Cheney. Your, along with every other liberal head on this planet would explode simultaneously. It only takes an ounce of intellectual curiosity to see the obvious intent on her part to shield her actions from the public. But go ahead. Continue to expect dishonesty and secrecy from your public officials. And you will get just that. But don't bitch about it when a politician you don't like engages in it.

 

[Guy Incognito]

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Its not all that shocking...

No it really is. These guys don't usually behave like idiots. But it's like Hillary has some magic hold on them that forces them to disregard logic and lose their grip on reality like common tea party members.

 

[MMC]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

It's not about transparency. We have no right to her personal communications, and no reason to believe that she lied. The only reason this is an issue is because she had the opportunity to delete official emails, we have no reason to believe that she did.

I had the opportunity to rob a bank today. That doesn't mean that I robbed a bank, but if opportunity is evidence, then nearly everyone in the country should have their property searched to see if they robbed a bank. Of course the real issue is if a bank even got robbed today, I'm not aware that a bank got robbed, or that anyone deleted any official emails.

Then we can just go with the fact that a Hacker got into her email from one of her friends. Who was discussing State Business and is not working in the US government.

This is a breach of National Security, regardless if she knew or didn't know. She should be held responsible for Placing US National Security at risk.

Moreover the Hacker already told Reporters he got other emails while setting up shop in her domain. So she now has put others at Risk.

Then there is the fact the BO peep said he was getting emails from her and sent them to her. So she also placed BO at risk.

Time to quit giving breaks when it comes to the Law and Clinton.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

It's not about transparency. We have no right to her personal communications, and no reason to believe that she lied. The only reason this is an issue is because she had the opportunity to delete official emails, we have no reason to believe that she did.

I had the opportunity to rob a bank today. That doesn't mean that I robbed a bank, but if opportunity is evidence, then nearly everyone in the country should have their property searched to see if they robbed a bank. Of course the real issue is if a bank even got robbed today, I'm not aware that a bank got robbed, or that anyone deleted any official emails.

Yeah, I'm starting to think you just don't WANT to get it. This is the most despicable display of Unprincipled partisan Hackery I have ever see from you.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Then we can just go with the fact that a Hacker got into her email from one of her friends. Who was discussing State Business and is not working in the US government.

This is a breach of National Security, regardless if she knew or didn't know. She should be held responsible for Placing US National Security at risk.

Moreover the Hacker already told Reporters he got other emails while setting up shop in her domain. So she now has put others at Risk.

Then there is the fact the BO peep said he was getting emails from her and sent them to her. So she also placed BO at risk.

Time to quit giving breaks when it comes to the Law and Clinton.

Yeah, let's not forget that this was a huge national security risk.

 

[MMC]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Yeah, let's not forget that this was a huge national security risk.

Oh, and now they have discovered her aides were using her Email account. That would be Cheryl Mills and Huma Abedin, the MB sycophant.

So all of what Hillary is going thru.....now those two needs to start making the headlines. Mills would do anything, that's anything to cover for Hillary. Oh and she wouldn't hesitate to destroy evidence for Hillary.

You have to remember Hillary's people are those that will put Hillary above Country and National Security.....as well as sell out the US.

 

[humbolt]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

you only confirm that it is you who is without an accurate understanding about what was required and what was accomplished relative to those emails

I understand perfectly. Hillary intentionally obstructed the free review of public records in order to promote her political aspirations.

 

[BmanMcfly]

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I understand perfectly. Hillary intentionally obstructed the free review of public records in order to promote her political aspirations.

Yes, exactly, and any one of us did something similar, we would be getting walked away in cuffs.

The only correction. .. These would not be "public" in the sense that all could check them out, but at least reviewable by people with the proper clearances.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Warren. Clinton. Serial liars both of them.

 

[ksu_aviator]

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if you had a point, i totally missed it

share with us again how hillary providing her sensitive emails is evidence of her withholding emails

By qualifying that she only turned over sensitive e-mails, she admits she did not turn over all e-mails. I think you know that and you just don't want to admit what she did looks really bad.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Warren. Clinton. Serial liars both of them.

Not even close. Hillary is a conniving opportunist. Warren is an honest and upright hero who stands up for the people against plutocrats.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

By qualifying that she only turned over sensitive e-mails, she admits she did not turn over all e-mails. I think you know that and you just don't want to admit what she did looks really bad.

Exactly. It not only looks bad, it is bad. It is the lack of oversight and transparency that is the problem.

 

[MMC]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Exactly. It not only looks bad, it is bad. It is the lack of oversight and transparency that is the problem.

It just got worse for her.


Hillary Rodham Clinton emailed her staff on an iPad as well as a BlackBerry while secretary of state, despite her explanation she exclusively used a personal email address on a homebrew server so that she could carry a single device, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

The State Department released a total of four emails between Clinton and her top advisers as part of a Freedom of Information Act request filed in 2013 by the AP, which sought Clinton's correspondence with senior advisers over a four-year period relating to drone strikes overseas and U.S. surveillance programs.

While limited, the emails offer one of the first looks into Clinton's correspondence while secretary of state. The messages came from and were sent to her private email address, hosted on a server at her property in Chappaqua, New York, as opposed to a government-run email account.....snip~

Surprise: Hillary Clinton Lied About Using Only One Device For Email - Katie Pavlich

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

By qualifying that she only turned over sensitive e-mails, she admits she did not turn over all e-mails. I think you know that and you just don't want to admit what she did looks really bad.

duh!!!!!!!!
she had no obligation to relinquish her personal emails