Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....[W:153]

[Guy Incognito]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

You tell me. What did she do to break the law?

It's real simple. She kept government property on her personal server, and didn't turn it over when she left her government position. Then deleted them! It's theft of government property, at a minimum.

 

[polgara]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Heh. Well, if it ruins her that is at least one good thing to come out of this. She may not see justice, but at least this could be the thing that thwarts her ruthless ambition.

Greetings, Guy Incognito. :2wave:

I still don't see her backing out on what they know so far, since she can, and probably will, claim the press is turning it into a witch hunt, and the people who will vote for her will buy it. There's a reason she won't turn her server over, and even if she does, and there is proof that laws were broken, the spin will still be "everyone else has done wrong things - why single her out?" :shock: I hope I'm wrong.....

 

[Kal'Stang]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Moderator's Warning:

Ok, I've just handed out some infractions because people are making this personal. Lets stop that shall we? Stick to the topic and not each other.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Greetings, Guy Incognito. :2wave:

I still don't see her backing out on what they know so far, since she can, and probably will, claim the press is turning it into a witch hunt, and the people who will vote for her will buy it. There's a reason she won't turn her server over, and even if she does, and there is proof that laws were broken, the spin will still be "everyone else has done wrong things - why single her out?" :shock: I hope I'm wrong.....

I agree, I don't see her backing out of the race. She has literally devoted her entire life to this endeavor, she's not going to let this stop her if she can help it.

That's what's really telling about this whole thing. Erasing the server was incredibly stupid, unless there was information on there that could have done her more harm if it was released. She is the most conniving and ruthless American politician in living memory. This wasn't an innocent mistake on her part.

 

[MMC]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

You tell me. What did she do to break the law?

She intentionally obstructed justice. As an Attorney she loses her license auto. Moreover there now has to be validation that her attorneys who destroyed ANY thing concerning Emails. Had the Executive Authority and or Judicial Authority to do so.



Whether or not Mrs. Clinton violated a State Department rule, her admitted destruction of more than 30,000 emails sure looks like obstruction of justice—a serious violation of the criminal law. Let’s consider some of the basic, undisputed facts, and then the law. We know this is true because that is exactly what happened. When Congress subpoenaed Mrs. Clinton’s official communications, or when nongovernmental organizations filed Freedom of Information Act requests for the same, the State Department could not turn over her emails because it did not have them. Mrs. Clinton claims that she never sent any classified or secret information on her private account, though many have noted that she conspicuously left out whether she received such material. Either way the claim is hard to swallow—one would think it would have left her out of the loop—but let’s assume she is telling the truth.

The law says that no one has to use email, but it is a crime (18 U.S.C. section 1519) to destroy even one message to prevent it from being subpoenaed. Prosecutors charging someone with obstruction don’t even have to establish that any investigation was pending or under way when the deletion took place. As T. Markus Funk explained in a journal article for the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, the prosecutor “need only prove that the defendant shredded the documents, at least in part, to make life more difficult for future investigators, if and when they eventually appear.”

Legal commentators call this “anticipatory obstruction of justice,” and the law punishes it with up to 20 years imprisonment. The burden of proof is light. The Justice Department manual advises that section 1519 makes prosecution much easier because it covers “any matters” or “’in relation to or contemplation of’ any matters.” It adds, “No corrupt persuasion is required.” Rule 3.4 (which has been around for many years) provides that an attorney shall not unlawfully “conceal a document or other material having potential evidentiary value.” Mrs. Clinton is a lawyer governed by these rules. So are any attorneys who advised her to delete her emails......snip~

Ronald D. Rotunda: Hillary

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

I am thinking about putting a mural of Hillary's image on the bottom of one of my toilets.

LOL..

I did that with Brian Mulroney in the 80's.

You send for about 6 "official photos", in 5" x 7" [must be photo paper] and then empty the bowl, turn off the water and let it dry for 12 hours. Spray the bowl with spray on epoxy, from any body shop and apply the photo. It looks best if it is just the head, no background, no frame. Spray or brush on clear acrylic finisher and allow to set 24 hours.

Three days without a ****ter is worth it, people will visit just to use the bathroom..

Oh...and it looks best if the head looks like it's protruding from the drain pipe, smiling up at you..

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

hillary transferred the state department related emails in hard copy to the state department
she fulfilled her obligation under the law

now, i await your cite showing us there was an archivist at state whose job was to examine her emails and determine which were to be archived
wrong
the state department employees, who received state department related email on their private email, were required to archive those emails with state
what hillary did

What do you think the duties are of the government archivist? Here, this will help you.

The Archivist is appointed by the President and is responsible for safeguarding and making available for study all the permanently valuable records of the federal government, including the original Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights, which are displayed in the Archives' main building in Washington, D.C.
. . .
By means of the Office of the Federal Register, the National Archives also publishes documents of the Executive Branch, such as presidential proclamations and executive orders, retaining custody of the original signed documents.

Archivist of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So not only the text of all the bills, vetoed or passed, but executive branch documents as well.

Further, the follow up posts by others is pertinent to this particular part of the discussion.

. . .
The chief reason she hid her emails is that so nothing whatsoever could be examined at all. That you fail to understand that SecState is a public position charged with directing the foreign policy of this country, and the public has a right to know exactly what, within limits, the head of that department did on our behalf is astoundingly ignorant.
. . .

She intentionally obstructed justice. As an Attorney she loses her license auto. Moreover there now has to be validation that her attorneys who destroyed ANY thing concerning Emails. Had the Executive Authority and or Judicial Authority to do so.

Whether or not Mrs. Clinton violated a State Department rule, her admitted destruction of more than 30,000 emails sure looks like obstruction of justice—a serious violation of the criminal law. Let’s consider some of the basic, undisputed facts, and then the law. We know this is true because that is exactly what happened. When Congress subpoenaed Mrs. Clinton’s official communications, or when nongovernmental organizations filed Freedom of Information Act requests for the same, the State Department could not turn over her emails because it did not have them. Mrs. Clinton claims that she never sent any classified or secret information on her private account, though many have noted that she conspicuously left out whether she received such material. Either way the claim is hard to swallow—one would think it would have left her out of the loop—but let’s assume she is telling the truth.

The law says that no one has to use email, but it is a crime (18 U.S.C. section 1519) to destroy even one message to prevent it from being subpoenaed. Prosecutors charging someone with obstruction don’t even have to establish that any investigation was pending or under way when the deletion took place. As T. Markus Funk explained in a journal article for the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, the prosecutor “need only prove that the defendant shredded the documents, at least in part, to make life more difficult for future investigators, if and when they eventually appear.”

Legal commentators call this “anticipatory obstruction of justice,” and the law punishes it with up to 20 years imprisonment. The burden of proof is light. The Justice Department manual advises that section 1519 makes prosecution much easier because it covers “any matters” or “’in relation to or contemplation of’ any matters.” It adds, “No corrupt persuasion is required.” Rule 3.4 (which has been around for many years) provides that an attorney shall not unlawfully “conceal a document or other material having potential evidentiary value.” Mrs. Clinton is a lawyer governed by these rules. So are any attorneys who advised her to delete her emails......snip~

Ronald D. Rotunda: Hillary

 

[Fiddytree]

If there is something that Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton's utilization of emails should tell the average citizen is to not undermine their central importance in the new era.

For a public largely unaware of government activity, Errol Morris built his documentary on Donald Rumsfeld on the back of Rumsfeld's incredibly large memorandum library. Those "snowflakes" as he put it, gave us a ton of information, not just on government activities, but also the perspective of the writer.

Storage and maintenance of those records, whether on paper or in digital text, is paramount to keeping accountability in our political system and establishing the historical record.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Patent that and market it. BOTH sides will be tripping over themselves wanting one.

Can offer an Obama model as well.:toilet:

 

[MAGAnificent]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

LOL..

I did that with Brian Mulroney in the 80's.

You send for about 6 "official photos", in 5" x 7" [must be photo paper] and then empty the bowl, turn off the water and let it dry for 12 hours. Spray the bowl with spray on epoxy, from any body shop and apply the photo. It looks best if it is just the head, no background, no frame. Spray or brush on clear acrylic finisher and allow to set 24 hours.

Three days without a ****ter is worth it, people will visit just to use the bathroom..

Oh...and it looks best if the head looks like it's protruding from the drain pipe, smiling up at you..

ROFL. I will get started on that right away.

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

They asked for all documentation and reports over Benghazi.....or did you already forget the other 6 committees that came before Gowdy with their requests. That must cause some throbbing huh?

Whats up.....whats your lame excuse now for not sending anything until Aug of 2014. When did the incident take place in Benghazi when Ambassador Stevens was killed. Is that date to hard for that grey matter to remember?

Was it a little hard to figure out with the time and all. Is that what caused your grey matter to throb.


Nah see......Gowdy can read actual numbers and a date. Unlike you that can't figure out emails with dates that are missing. Looks like you couldn't figure that out logically, despite that it took a Subpenoa to get any information 2 years later and after other Committees requested documentation.

No, apparently You just don't know what the **** you are talking about.

Which is why you can't figure out the simple Emails that Sidney Blumenthal sent to Hillary.....that made the news these last two weeks ago.


Next time try and actually bring something, anything, rather than some lame excuse.

and still unable to identify ANY thing that hillary failed to provide
your desperation is showing

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Try reading the ones Sidney Blumenthal sent to Hillary discussing classified information. Did you want to try and say he was working for the Government now?

Yes, Gowdy admits he is a mediocre attorney......yet it took only him being Mediocre to discover Clintons Email address and that she was missing emails.

Damn those mediocre attorneys for making the alleged Smart Lefties do what they didn't want to do. Plus look like fools.

all that and still unable to identify ANY thing hillary failed to provide
y'all are straining to come up with something
but you need more than a mediocre gowdy to make it happen
hell, he almost makes issa look competent
never mind, i took that too far

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Why do you think rules were developed regarding the archiving of documents (emails, letters, minutes from etc.) from government officials?

and show us
1. what she did in violation of the rules
and
2. what the congress has done about it

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

You never had a point.....not on this subject. Gowdy has seen the emails and I am sure he knows how to tell by dates whether all emails are there or not

Only you couldn't figure that out......must be due to your trouble with reading numbers off a calendar.

how can gowdy tell by dates what emails are missing?
you refuse to recognize the very probable reality that there were no emails on those dates to provide
but keep chasing

 

[MMC]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

and still unable to identify ANY thing that hillary failed to provide
your desperation is showing

Well, when the Committee releases them and as you heard he hasn't done so. Then you will get to see what Gowdy is talking about with those gaps.

Either that or when Hillary testifies and they are shown to her then.

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

I am not sure as to whether it is illegal to destroy material of that type. But that was not what I was interested in nor wrote about. As a matter of fact, I said clearly that it the issue was not legality. Why do you harp around on it?

if she did nothing illegal, then what is your problem with her?
duh!

 

[MMC]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

how can gowdy tell by dates what emails are missing?
you refuse to recognize the very probable reality that there were no emails on those dates to provide
but keep chasing

Well you already heard him describe her trip to Libya as one. Which they know she took.....everyone does. Yet why is there no emails. She was on a diplomatic mission. None before during or after. Nothing.

Unless the state is holding them for some reason.

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Ah yes. It was all a vast right wing conspiracy. Secretary of State is not an internal (within the US political world) political position. The only reason it was so for Clinton is because she intended to use that position as a spring board for another presidential run. The chief reason she hid her emails is that so nothing whatsoever could be examined at all. That you fail to understand that SecState is a public position charged with directing the foreign policy of this country, and the public has a right to know exactly what, within limits, the head of that department did on our behalf is astoundingly ignorant.





The above is called begging the question. Because Congress has the constitutional duty of oversight of the executive branch, all the freaking emails should be provided without obstruction of any kind. This is not about her run for the presidency. It's about her duties and her discharging of those duties while Secretary of State.

it is about her secstate duties
and you and your ilk have been unable to show us where hillary did anything wrong
some of your minions even admit she did nothing illegal
but you keep chasing your proverbial tail

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Nobody can specify any email that wasn't submitted to Congress. She deleted them all! Clearly she was trying to cover something up.

clearly she deleted her emails after providing the secstate emails to the state archives
when you delete personal emails, does that mean you did something wrong?

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Exactly. Why is she not being criminally investigated for this??

what did she do which should be found illegal?
i believe that must come before referring to her as a criminal

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

The howls of protest have shifted from she's being tormented to attacking the ability of the chairman of the committee; suddenly you are claiming you are far more intelligent that an educated and trained lawyer, that he is stupid and incompetent compared to you.

any fool can make such claims, as vacuous and empty as they are; if Gowdy is such an incompetent and Hillary such an angel of discretion then how is it he has had her AND Obama on the ropes for three years? How come, if Gowdy is s stupid and you are so smart, you are here whining about her innocence instead of making a fortune in law, or defending her?

The bleating claims, insults and petty arguments are growing more and more anemic; we have gone from trying to attack the mounting and unimpeachable evidence that she evaded the letter of the law. The mere fact you seize on his humble statement about being a mediocre prosecutor is desperate. It reveals that you know absolutely nothing about the Senate and how it operates, how committees are struck, how chairmen are chosen and how they are staffed.

Hillary Clinton is a slimy whore who sees herself as a benevolent Marie Antoinette, whereas the reality is she a cutthroat street fighter with one obsession, living in the White House. Whether they ever stick her for this, that fact cannot be denied, and attacking the integrity of a sitting senator, his intelligence and background only shows what a sewer rat she and her followers can be.


For the record, your knowledge of law is also embarrassing. No one is ever nor ever has been "found innocent", the term is used by Grubers, the law makes no such distiction as "innocence" as it does not exist. Under the law you are cleared when the prosecution fails to make its case and one is found "not guilty". Be careful of how much ignorance you display when claiming to be superior to a "self admitted mediocre prosecutor", your errors etc are on display for eternity

rather than meet my challenge to show us what hillary did that should be found illegal, you instead chose to attack the messenger
your post smacks of desperation

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

She kept government property on her personal server, and didn't turn it over when she left her government position. Leaving aside the national security concerns, if nothing else it's theft.

but she has provided many thousands of state department emails from her personal server
show us what she has done which would be found illegal

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

Well, then you must not know much about it.

then share with us what she did which would be found illegal

 

[MMC]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

then share with us what she did which would be found illegal

Post 155 explains some of it out.

 

[justabubba]

Re: Hillary Clinton deleted everything on her Email Server.....

It's real simple. She kept government property on her personal server, and didn't turn it over when she left her government position. Then deleted them! It's theft of government property, at a minimum.

she allowed the government emails to access her server
and when she left the secstate position she complied with the requirement to archive the emails from that server which contained matter related to state department business
how is that theft?