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HHS to stop recommending Covid shots for children, pregnant women, WSJ reports

TamleeB said:
It’s all good. I stand by the fact that you can still indeed get Covid despite being fully vaccinated and having all your boosters. That is a fact.
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Sure. Just dont lie and tell people “ the vaccines don’t stop infection or transmission

That’s a bald faced lie.
And the lie is propagated because anti vaxxers want to propagate the belief that healthy people don’t need to be vaccinated .

TamleeB said:
Actually, I am not an anitvaxxer. I had the vaccine when it first came out. I did not get the boosters and never will. I believe now as I believed then, it is my body, and should my choice. Period. My decision to not get the boosters are that I did not feel it was necessary, and I still believe that to be true
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Right. So let me ask you. If you knew that by being boosted , you would be less likley to catch covid and accidentally transmit it to a young fellow battling leukemia causing him to die,
Would you get vaccinated ? Or is saving that persons life unnecessary?

And don’t you dare poo poo that. Every single person that died of Covid . Tens of thousands of people ? Got it from someone else.
TamleeB said:
. I had Covid very early on, very early. And despite having none of the boosters have not had Covid again.
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That you know. I doubt you test regularly much less test every time you get sick .
The reality is that you may have had Covid and transmitted to someone who ended up in the hospital and died.

TamleeB said:
As for a “medical provider”, My Doctor never pushed the vaccination on me. Not one time.
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Sure because they know what you’ll say and what’s the point of arguing with an anti caxxer in the office?
Like you say “ and never will”
Never get the booster?

See how foolish that statement is ? So when you are older and immuno suppressed you won’t be boosted even though Covid could be deadly???
It’s not like your immune system is going to stay as strong forever.
TamleeB said:
My daughter works in the medical field, and has not ever had the vaccine. And remained working throughout.
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If she doesn’t have a good medical reason for not getting vaccinated ? She should be ashamed at putting her patients at needless risk.

abcnews.go.com

Why are more than 300 people in the US still dying from COVID every week?

Last month, an average of about 350 people died each week from COVID, according to data from the CDC. With available vaccines and treatments, why are people still dying?
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
 
BirdinHand said:
Intelligent people wouldn’t listen to the man who goes swimming in sewage water 🤷‍♀️
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Nah, instead you listen to the guy who went on national television and declared HIV/AIDS could be transmitted just by being in the same room and through ordinary contact with a patient.
 
jaeger19 said:
Sure. Just dont lie and tell people “ the vaccines don’t stop infection or transmission

That’s a bald faced lie.
And the lie is propagated because anti vaxxers want to propagate the belief that healthy people don’t need to be vaccinated .


Right. So let me ask you. If you knew that by being boosted , you would be less likley to catch covid and accidentally transmit it to a young fellow battling leukemia causing him to die,
Would you get vaccinated ? Or is saving that persons life unnecessary?

And don’t you dare poo poo that. Every single person that died of Covid . Tens of thousands of people ? Got it from someone else.

That you know. I doubt you test regularly much less test every time you get sick .
The reality is that you may have had Covid and transmitted to someone who ended up in the hospital and died.


Sure because they know what you’ll say and what’s the point of arguing with an anti caxxer in the office?
Like you say “ and never will”
Never get the booster?

See how foolish that statement is ? So when you are older and immuno suppressed you won’t be boosted even though Covid could be deadly???
It’s not like your immune system is going to stay as strong forever.

If she doesn’t have a good medical reason for not getting vaccinated ? She should be ashamed at putting her patients at needless risk.

abcnews.go.com

Why are more than 300 people in the US still dying from COVID every week?

Last month, an average of about 350 people died each week from COVID, according to data from the CDC. With available vaccines and treatments, why are people still dying?
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
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There is no need for me to "argue". I have absolutely no issue with you getting boosters, none at all. Your body, your choice. It's all good.
 
TamleeB said:
There is no need for me to "argue". I have absolutely no issue with you getting boosters, none at all. Your body, your choice. It's all good.
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No it’s not. “ all good”. When your “ choice” puts the most vulnerable in society at risk needlessly.
 
jaeger19 said:
No it’s not. “ all good”. When your “ choice” puts the most vulnerable in society at risk needlessly.
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Actually, it is all good. My body, my choice. You are free to do as you please.
 
TamleeB said:
Actually, it is all good. My body, my choice. You are free to do as you please.
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Nope. Your choice puts others at risk of death needlessly. FACT
 


Tucker: “Describe the scale of the injury and death from the Covid shots?”

Sen. Johnson: “Well, just on VAERS alone, I think we're over 38,000 deaths associated with the Covid vaccine.”

“24% of those to date either occur on the date of vaccination or within one or two days.”

Tucker: “I know someone who was killed by it.”

Sen. Johnson: “We saw all these athletes dropping like flies on the field. You saw newscasters just toppling over from their anchor chair and like that wasn't reported.”
 


Sen. Johnson: “I think they're primarily calling it long Covid now.”

“Even those that are vaccine injured wanna think it's just long Covid.”

“Nobody wants to admit that they maybe should have taken a little more time and gotten a little more educated about this experimental Covid injection.”

“I hate talking about it because I know 78% of Americans got vaccinated.”

“That's why it's so difficult to hold people accountable.”

....

Tucker: “Here's an easy way to do it, if I sell any product, a food product, for example, and it turns out to kill people, you get sued.”

“Only the vaccine makers have this exemption granted to them by congress.”

“I've never heard a real argument for why they should maintain that or why congress continues to protect them.”

Sen. Johnson: “This is the 1986 law… it wasn't just for the three vaccines, I think, at the time that were on the schedule, it exempted all future vaccines, which has led to an explosion.”

“They aren't tested in a true placebo controlled trial.”

“The American public would be shocked at how little testing these vaccines actually receive.”
 
NOLA Dude said:


Sen. Johnson: “I think they're primarily calling it long Covid now.”

“Even those that are vaccine injured wanna think it's just long Covid.”

“Nobody wants to admit that they maybe should have taken a little more time and gotten a little more educated about this experimental Covid injection.”

“I hate talking about it because I know 78% of Americans got vaccinated.”

“That's why it's so difficult to hold people accountable.”

....

Tucker: “Here's an easy way to do it, if I sell any product, a food product, for example, and it turns out to kill people, you get sued.”

“Only the vaccine makers have this exemption granted to them by congress.”

“I've never heard a real argument for why they should maintain that or why congress continues to protect them.”

Sen. Johnson: “This is the 1986 law… it wasn't just for the three vaccines, I think, at the time that were on the schedule, it exempted all future vaccines, which has led to an explosion.”

“They aren't tested in a true placebo controlled trial.”

“The American public would be shocked at how little testing these vaccines actually receive.”
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Stop spreading lies.
Why do you want to spread lies and cause needless deaths from covid.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

abcnews.go.com

Why are more than 300 people in the US still dying from COVID every week?

Last month, an average of about 350 people died each week from COVID, according to data from the CDC. With available vaccines and treatments, why are people still dying?
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
 
jaeger19 said:
Stop spreading lies.
Why do you want to spread lies and cause needless deaths from covid.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

abcnews.go.com

Why are more than 300 people in the US still dying from COVID every week?

Last month, an average of about 350 people died each week from COVID, according to data from the CDC. With available vaccines and treatments, why are people still dying?
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
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The science speaks for itself!! They DIDN'T DO THE TESTING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE which is why they were exempted from being sued. They KNEW they didn't know if it would work OR if there would be side effects. IT WAS EXPERIMENTAL!! So no spreading of lies & hopefully, as people become more aware of how dangerous this drug could be, they can at least make an informed decision. This WAS NOT allowed during COVID - you were FORCED to take it or lose your freedom & your job!! Think man!!!
 
follower7371 said:
The science speaks for itself!! They DIDN'T DO THE TESTING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE which is why they were exempted from being sued. They KNEW they didn't know if it would work OR if there would be side effects. IT WAS EXPERIMENTAL!! So no spreading of lies & hopefully, as people become more aware of how dangerous this drug could be, they can at least make an informed decision. This WAS NOT allowed during COVID - you were FORCED to take it or lose your freedom & your job!! Think man!!!
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Bull they did plenty of testing to know its safety and effectiveness before putting it out in the market.
people who dont know think “ but but but” they did it so fast they didnt test like they should”

No, they did test like they should . In fact probably were more stringent because of the politics around this.
“ fast tracking “ does not mean less science. It means speeding up the administrative side of the fda.

Imagine you were in school and had to do a science project.
And the teacher wanted to get vette ( approve) your science project along the way. This is how the fda works.
So you work on your project ( animal trials) and you think you are ready to move on ( say human trials) but you have to wait for the teacher to approve your project to move on. You wait and wait while the teacher goes through every other project .

Now imagine that you have the teacher ( fda) ready at your beck and call whenever you think you are ready to move on. And the teacher periodically works with you to ensure you don’t have any slip ups or mistakes on your way to an A.?

That’s fast tracking.

And vaccines are not fully exempted from lawsuits either.
They do have some protections from lawsuits just like our gun industry has protections as unscrupulous people who don’t like firearms just like people who don’t like vaccines would use the court system to constantly tie up these industries in frivolous litigation.
The NCVIA is a law from 1986. Which protects vaccine makers and was well before Covid.
 
👏 👏 👏 She sounds just like the big pharma shills here



“Can you clearly state what the policy is? Because this is confusing.”

Makary didn’t blink:

“Yeah, we believe the recommendation should be with a patient and their doctor.”

“So we’re going to get away from these blanket recommendations in healthy young Americans.”

“On the Covid vaccine schedule, we don’t want to see kids kicked out of school because a 12-year-old girl is not getting her fifth Covid booster shot.”

“We don’t see the data there to support a young, healthy child getting a repeat infinite annual Covid vaccine.”

Then came the hammer:

“There’s a theory that we should sort of blindly approve the new Covid boosters in young, healthy kids every year in perpetuity, and a young girl born today should get 80 Covid mRNA shots or other Covid shots in her average lifespan.”

“We’re saying that’s a theory, and we’d like to check in and get some randomized controlled data. It’s been about four years since the original randomized trials. So we’d like an evidence based approach.”

And finally, the knockout:

“That is a decision between a parent and their doctor—I don’t know if you know these statistics, but 88% of American kids, their parents have said no to the Covid shot last season. So America, the vast majority of Americans are saying no.”
 
NOLA Dude said:
👏 👏 👏 She sounds just like the big pharma shills here



“Can you clearly state what the policy is? Because this is confusing.”

Makary didn’t blink:

“Yeah, we believe the recommendation should be with a patient and their doctor.”

“So we’re going to get away from these blanket recommendations in healthy young Americans.”

“On the Covid vaccine schedule, we don’t want to see kids kicked out of school because a 12-year-old girl is not getting her fifth Covid booster shot.”

“We don’t see the data there to support a young, healthy child getting a repeat infinite annual Covid vaccine.”

Then came the hammer:

“There’s a theory that we should sort of blindly approve the new Covid boosters in young, healthy kids every year in perpetuity, and a young girl born today should get 80 Covid mRNA shots or other Covid shots in her average lifespan.”

“We’re saying that’s a theory, and we’d like to check in and get some randomized controlled data. It’s been about four years since the original randomized trials. So we’d like an evidence based approach.”

And finally, the knockout:

“That is a decision between a parent and their doctor—I don’t know if you know these statistics, but 88% of American kids, their parents have said no to the Covid shot last season. So America, the vast majority of Americans are saying no.”
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What a load of horse puckey.
 
jaeger19 said:
Bull they did plenty of testing to know its safety and effectiveness before putting it out in the market.
people who dont know think “ but but but” they did it so fast they didnt test like they should”

No, they did test like they should . In fact probably were more stringent because of the politics around this.
“ fast tracking “ does not mean less science. It means speeding up the administrative side of the fda.

Imagine you were in school and had to do a science project.
And the teacher wanted to get vette ( approve) your science project along the way. This is how the fda works.
So you work on your project ( animal trials) and you think you are ready to move on ( say human trials) but you have to wait for the teacher to approve your project to move on. You wait and wait while the teacher goes through every other project .

Now imagine that you have the teacher ( fda) ready at your beck and call whenever you think you are ready to move on. And the teacher periodically works with you to ensure you don’t have any slip ups or mistakes on your way to an A.?

That’s fast tracking.

And vaccines are not fully exempted from lawsuits either.
They do have some protections from lawsuits just like our gun industry has protections as unscrupulous people who don’t like firearms just like people who don’t like vaccines would use the court system to constantly tie up these industries in frivolous litigation.
The NCVIA is a law from 1986. Which protects vaccine makers and was well before Covid.
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OMG you are so niave. They did little testing. Where do you get your information from? Please provide proof that there was extensive testing & if so, why was it considered "experimental?"
 
follower7371 said:
OMG you are so niave. They did little testing. Where do you get your information from? Please provide proof that there was extensive testing & if so, why was it considered "experimental?"
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Just know that he's someone who still cites the discredited Natural Origins paper as proof Covid was zoonotic. If you are looking for a good faith discussion, look elsewhere.
 
follower7371 said:
OMG you are so niave. They did little testing. Where do you get your information from? Please provide proof that there was extensive testing & if so, why was it considered "experimental?"
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Where do I get my information from? Covid vaccine studies.
Here’s just two of a number of examples .
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines: A systematic review and meta-analysis of controlled and randomized clinical trials - PubMed

Vaccines against coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) have been discovered within a very small duration of time as compared to the traditional way for the development of vaccines, which raised the question about the safety and efficacy of the approved vaccines. The purpose of this study is to...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

That’s a meta analysis of 11 studies .

Here is a meta analysis of 25 randomized controlled trials.

Efficacy and Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of Randomized Clinical Trials - PMC

The current study systematically reviewed, summarized and meta-analyzed the clinical features of the vaccines in clinical trials to provide a better estimate of their efficacy, side effects and immunogenicity. All relevant publications were ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

They were NOT. considered “ experimental” by scientists . It’s a label that was thrown out there on social media by antivaxxers.

Fact Check: No, the COVID-19 vaccines are not experimental

Social media posts have falsely claimed the COVID-19 vaccines currently being distributed in the U.S. are "experimental."
www.kwqc.com www.kwqc.com
 
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