Hey NBC, why are Republican's calling for Holders resignation? [W:25]

[Grim17]

If you go to Google and type in "calls for Holder to resign over" you will get a pretty clear picture of the reasons he is being asked to resign, and the order of their importance.

Of the first 23 results (the first 2 pages) Google came up with, it's clear what the primary reason behind those calls is centered around... It's the "Fast and Furious" program... Which appeared in the actual story headline 8 times, in the headline or description 16 times, or was the first reason mentioned in all but 3 of those stories. Coming in a distant second was the national security leaks issue, which got mentioned in only 3 headlines, which were also the only 3 stories that mentioned that reason before mentioning the "Fast and Furious" program. What pushed many republican's over the edge however, was the fact that Holder this week refused to allow a special council to be appointed to investigate these issues like the Bush administration did for the Valerie Plame leak, and the Clinton administration did over the Monica issue.

The Liberal Bias

Now, would anyone like to explain why the 2 minutes and 16 second report done yesterday on the NBC Nightly News, dedicated the first 1:45 seconds of that report exclusively to the national security leaks issue, giving their audience the clear impression that's what the calls for his resignation were centered around? NBC even showed clips of both a republican and a democrat senator mentioning the leaks issue, but nothing at all about the "Fast and Furious" program. It wasn't until the last 20 seconds or so at the end of the story, that Kelly O'Donnell mentioned "Fast and Furious", but it was presented like it was a secondary reason that was barely worth mentioning.

This ladies and gentlemen is what's called liberal media "spin". In the last 30 or so years, every administration has had issues with national security leaks and unfortunately to the most of the American public, they are seen as rather common place in todays political world. What isn't so common place, is the "fast and furious" program and the subsequential cover up from the administration and the AG's office on this issue.

NBC put their focus on the issue of less importance, and the least politically damaging of the 2 issues, in a clear attempt to mislead their viewers into thinking this was all centered around those leaks, and minimize the negative effects on the upcoming elections by down playing the "Fast and Furious" issue.


NBC reports demand for Holder resignation … but not why « Hot Air

BONUS: Check out the :40 second mark and hear how O'Donell puts enphasis on the word "allege".

 

[pbrauer]

If you go to Google and type in "calls for Holder to resign over" you will get a pretty clear picture of the reasons he is being asked to resign, and the order of their importance.

Of the first 23 results (the first 2 pages) Google came up with, it's clear what the primary reason behind those calls is centered around... It's the "Fast and Furious" program... Which appeared in the actual story headline 8 times, in the headline or description 16 times, or was the first reason mentioned in all but 3 of those stories. Coming in a distant second was the national security leaks issue, which got mentioned in only 3 headlines, which were also the only 3 stories that mentioned that reason before mentioning the "Fast and Furious" program. What pushed many republican's over the edge however, was the fact that Holder this week refused to allow a special council to be appointed to investigate these issues like the Bush administration did for the Valerie Plame leak, and the Clinton administration did over the Monica issue.

The Liberal Bias

Now, would anyone like to explain why the 2 minutes and 16 second report done yesterday on the NBC Nightly News, dedicated the first 1:45 seconds of that report exclusively to the national security leaks issue, giving their audience the clear impression that's what the calls for his resignation were centered around? NBC even showed clips of both a republican and a democrat senator mentioning the leaks issue, but nothing at all about the "Fast and Furious" program. It wasn't until the last 20 seconds or so at the end of the story, that Kelly O'Donnell mentioned "Fast and Furious", but it was presented like it was a secondary reason that was barely worth mentioning.

This ladies and gentlemen is what's called liberal media "spin". In the last 30 or so years, every administration has had issues with national security leaks and unfortunately to the most of the American public, they are seen as rather common place in todays political world. What isn't so common place, is the "fast and furious" program and the subsequential cover up from the administration and the AG's office on this issue.

NBC put their focus on the issue of less importance, and the least politically damaging of the 2 issues, in a clear attempt to mislead their viewers into thinking this was all centered around those leaks, and minimize the negative effects on the upcoming elections by down playing the "Fast and Furious" issue.


NBC reports demand for Holder resignation … but not why « Hot Air

BONUS: Check out the :40 second mark and hear how O'Donell puts enphasis on the word "allege".

Here we go again, the reason that a special counsel (Patrick Fitzgerald) was appointed was because I. "Scooter" libby gave the FBI false information. He told them he learned about Plame's identity from Tim Russert of NBC News and host of MTP, which they knew was false from Russert's testimony. Since Libby was a member of the "inner circle" (President and VP and assistants) a special counsel was needed to investigate the situation.

BTW, "Fast and Furious" began in 2006 under the Bush administration.

Five Things To Know About The Republican Witchhunt Against Attorney General Holder | ThinkProgress

 

[Grim17]

I wish I lived in your world Pete, where everything is explained by political beliefs... Where things like truth, honesty and facts are only optional...

Anyway, I see you're playing true to form by trying to change the argument in order to avoid the topic... Which btw Pete, is liberal media bias.

 

[pbrauer]

I wish I lived in your world Pete, where everything is explained by political beliefs... Where things like truth, honesty and facts are only optional...

Anyway, I see you're playing true to form by trying to change the argument in order to avoid the topic... Which btw Pete, is liberal media bias.

It's liberal media bias because Grim says so? lmmfao. :2razz:

 

[Dickieboy]

BTW, "Fast and Furious" began in 2006 under the Bush administration.

Sorry, but that is incorrect. Project Gunrunner began in '06. "Fast and Furious" began in October '09:

Department of Justice Cartel Strategy, 2009 - The Washington Post

 

[dontworrybehappy]

Sorry, but that is incorrect. Project Gunrunner began in '06. "Fast and Furious" began in October '09:

Department of Justice Cartel Strategy, 2009 - The Washington Post

Pete is definitely not interested in anything resembling facts.

 

[clownboy]

Seems to me pretty much all the MSM channels have avoided reporting on Fast and Furious until it was so all over non-traditional media that it was embarrassing them. Even now, they seem loathe to mention it. I'll leave others to guess at why.

 

[nota bene]

Seems to me pretty much all the MSM channels have avoided reporting on Fast and Furious until it was so all over non-traditional media that it was embarrassing them. Even now, they seem loathe to mention it. I'll leave others to guess at why.

Oh, pshaw--just speak right out. This was a lead on Drudge this afternoon, a Fox piece on NBC's failure to report in a "timely fashion" about "Fast and Furious."

Disclaimer: Hope to avoid trollish one-liners and other empty conmments by acknowledging that I do not know that this Fox News claim is correct. Doubtless, various blogs will corroborate/not the claim here, but:

Big Gulps might be on the way out in New York, but not at 30 Rock, the home of NBC News. There, the big gulp happened last night as network newsies were forced to swallow their pride and report on the deadly “Fast and Furious” scandal as Attorney General Eric Holder testified on Capitol Hill.

This was the first time the network had covered “Fast and Furious” though the scandal dates back more than a year. For a whole year, stubborn, Obama-supporting network news execs probably thought the whole embarrassing episode would disappear.

Read more: NBC swallows pride and a lot of crow to report on Fast and Furious scandal | Fox News

I hope Fox is wrong, that NBC has been reporting about "Fast and Furious" as long as I myself have been reading about it. So, those who watch NBC, is this true?

 

[Karl]

Hey NBC, why are Republican's calling for Holders resignation?

Because they think it will politically damage the black Democrat who is president.

But you already knew that, right?

 

[Karl]

Sorry, but that is incorrect. Project Gunrunner began in '06. "Fast and Furious" began in October '09:

Department of Justice Cartel Strategy, 2009 - The Washington Post

Semantics; they're all essentially the same thing. You guys can't win this argument, never have; curious as to why you continue to try. It will just lead to more debunked claims like you made above.

 

[Karl]

[...] I hope Fox is wrong, that NBC has been reporting about "Fast and Furious" as long as I myself have been reading about it. So, those who watch NBC, is this true?

There's nothing to report. As noted by Dickieboy, the sting has been going on since 2006, which makes the current investigation mere partisan politicking by the usual suspects (the talk media right). The only reason you've been reading about it is that those reporting it 24/7 (Fox News being one) are hoping to benefit politically -- and that is really low class, for they are using the death of a federal agent to score political points.

But for Fox, low class is par for the course.

 

[pbrauer]

Sorry, but that is incorrect. Project Gunrunner began in '06. "Fast and Furious" began in October '09:

Department of Justice Cartel Strategy, 2009 - The Washington Post

Both are the same damn thing, what's in a name? lol

In 2006, when George W. Bush was president, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives launched the first of a series of misguided sting operations where illegal guns were sold in the expectation that they could be tracked to drug traders. Instead, the agents lost track of the guns, and at least two of these guns were likely later used to kill a federal agent.

This series of operations, which includes the “Fast and Furious” operation, were deeply botched. They should never have been executed and the government officials found responsible for them have correctly been removed from their jobs or demoted. None of these officials are Eric Holder. As Attorney General, Holder supervises nearly 112,000 employees. It is neither desirable for him to be aware of every single operation being conducted by low-level field agents, nor would it even be physically possible to brief him on all of these operations if he wanted to be.

Nevertheless, congressional Republicans believe they can somehow blow this botched operation up into a major political scandal for Holder simply through repeated use of hyperbole. In an interview with Fox News this morning, Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) made the most outlandish claim to date — that Holder should not only lose his job, he should also face criminal charges:

It’s getting blatantly evident that Eric Holder’s broken the law. He’s lied to Congress. He should resign. He should be prosecuted for lying to Congress. And he should be disbarred. The president ought to call Eric Holder into his office and fire him today.

Watch it:

<[video=youtube;vHGvD9D4EP8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vHGvD9D4EP8[/video]​

Rep. Paul Broun Calls For AG Holder To 'Resign,' 'Be Disbarred,' And 'Be Prosecuted' Over Manufactured GOP Non-Scandal | ThinkProgress

Now if NBC were honest they would call this a witchhunt

 

[pbrauer]

There's nothing to report. As noted by Dickieboy, the sting has been going on since 2006, which makes the current investigation mere partisan politicking by the usual suspects (the talk media right). The only reason you've been reading about it is that those reporting it 24/7 (Fox News being one) are hoping to benefit politically -- and that is really low class, for they are using the death of a federal agent to score political points.

But for Fox, low class is par for the course.

Politics in an election year? Who would have guessed it? From the Republicons?

 

[clownboy]

So the reason the MSM outlets were the last to bring it up is that there's nothing to see here, move along now?

Of course the sting operation in 2006 while similar was not Fast and Furious, which began in 2009 and ran until U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry's murder when another agent filed an ethics violation against the program. It was halted in 2011.

Here's the wiki

 

[Dickieboy]

There's nothing to report. As noted by Dickieboy, the sting has been going on since 2006, which makes the current investigation mere partisan politicking by the usual suspects (the talk media right). The only reason you've been reading about it is that those reporting it 24/7 (Fox News being one) are hoping to benefit politically -- and that is really low class, for they are using the death of a federal agent to score political points.

But for Fox, low class is par for the course.

That is not correct and if you had read the link you would know it. The overall operation was called 'Project Gunrunner'. The 'Bush's' operation was called 'Operation Wide Reciever'. The 'Obama' operation was called 'Fast and Furious'. But of course you knew that being you read the article and all.

There is a ton of 'partisan politicing' involved in this to be sure. However, I am concerned with the amount of firearms that are reported 'loose' wherever they are. It would be interesting to find out how many 'loosed' by 'Wide Reciever'. Ultimately what do they expect? Holder says 'Ok, Ok...I did it' and Congress says 'FINALLY, now don't do it again'.

And as for me, I have been following this via C-span.

 

[nota bene]

There's nothing to report. As noted by Dickieboy, the sting has been going on since 2006, which makes the current investigation mere partisan politicking by the usual suspects (the talk media right). The only reason you've been reading about it is that those reporting it 24/7 (Fox News being one) are hoping to benefit politically -- and that is really low class, for they are using the death of a federal agent to score political points.

But for Fox, low class is par for the course.

My admittedly very dim understanding is that there were two separate ops with two separate names and, more important, constraints.

 

[Dickieboy]

Both are the same damn thing, what's in a name? lol

You're right, they are both the same damn thing. BUT the two programs, Wide Reciever and Fast/furious, ARE DIFFERENT programs with DIFFERENT objectives and were executed by DIFFERENT administrations...or are you reverting to the same ole 'it's Bush's fault mantra'? If so, I'll move on...

 

[clownboy]

On a side note, anyone know of any admin's Atty General that wasn't a first class psycho buttmunch?

 

[pbrauer]

You're right, they are both the same damn thing. BUT the two programs, Wide Reciever and Fast/furious, ARE DIFFERENT programs with DIFFERENT objectives and were executed by DIFFERENT administrations...or are you reverting to the same ole 'it's Bush's fault mantra'? If so, I'll move on...

Do you agree or disagree with OP??

 

[Grim17]

Because they think it will politically damage the black Democrat who is president.

But you already knew that, right?

You just couldn't resist the urge to throw race in the mix, could you?

So predictable... LMMFAO

 

[Grim17]

Do you agree or disagree with OP??

Anyone who would disagree and say this has nothing to do with political bias, is either a fool who's been blinded by their liberal political beliefs, or someone who chose to lie to prop those beliefs up.

 

[iguanaman]

I wish I lived in your world Pete, where everything is explained by political beliefs... Where things like truth, honesty and facts are only optional...

Anyway, I see you're playing true to form by trying to change the argument in order to avoid the topic... Which btw Pete, is liberal media bias.

And it amounts to an accusation that a series of botched gun stings that begun during the Bush Administration were actually part of a secret Obama plot to release guns to Mexican drug lords, so that those guns could then be used to kill federal agents, which would then cause a national uprising in support of gun control.

And you are perfectly norma and unbiasedl to believe this ridiculous drivel? What's next? Voodoo witch doctors turning your guns into turds?

 

[Boo Radley]

I wish I lived in your world Pete, where everything is explained by political beliefs... Where things like truth, honesty and facts are only optional...

Anyway, I see you're playing true to form by trying to change the argument in order to avoid the topic... Which btw Pete, is liberal media bias.

Pete, you will never get it. Wanting you bias front and center is not evidence of a bais in anyone else. :coffeepap

 

[StillBallin75]

Oh my goodness. It's "Republicans" and it's "Holder's." :2mad:

 

[RedAkston]

Moderator's Warning:

Let's knock off the personal attacks and stick to the topic shall we?