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SmokeAndMirrors said:True enough. I often wondered if I myself would stand up to my convictions about how I ought to be treated, before they had been put to the test. I can tell you conclusively, now, that I do in fact hold the same standards in reality that I do in theory, and I've proven it to myself in no uncertain terms.
I would agree with you that men and women alike tend not to, however. This may be worse for women, because many of them are brought up to be passive and are acclimated to mistreatment - which often starts in childhood. Men, less so. Though I think this is getting worse for men in the younger generations, based on my experiences.
What works really well on me is disarmed and unpressured, but also relatively direct. No "game," just comfort around women, and comfort with wanting to spend time with women and make the occasional move at times, and wait for me to make it at other times. Men who do this tend to be a good balance of self-confident and respectful. They tend to go away if they don't get any feedback from the woman - as well they should, because no one ought put up with blindly putting themselves out there. But they also tend to be responsive to requests to change the pace, direct in their pursuit of discovering what the woman wants and likes, and just generally honest with themselves and women they pursue.
The root of all this complicated hooey about how we deal with the sexes is based on this weird idea that we aren't both human - we're something different from each other, in some way related but not really the same species. Relaxed, well-adjusted guys tend to relate to me just fine. We aren't from some other planet. We're just people. We carry certain differences, both due to experience and probably nature, because to our sex, but in many cases there's just as big of differences between 2 individual men as there is between 2 individuals of the opposite sex.
It's just that, myself, I don't see why I would bother "handling that." I'd rather just meet the genuine person (or as close as one can get upon introductions) out the gate. I bring the real me everywhere I go, even though I'm very much a love-or-hate kind of person. I like the same in return. I don't want to play games.
A very lucid and cogent post/argument. Most women on here, you most especially, do not espouse the "average woman" in America. How many people of either sex do you encounter through the course of your day that have any political opinion at all, let alone a valid one? Most people dodge this subject, much like they do religion (sadly, not enough dodge religion for my tastes). They will say that they are neutral or don't want to talk about it, although I would argue that most don't have the intellectual capacity to offer anything better than "Bush lied, people died" or "Obama is a muslim".
I don't hang out in seedy places. I could start a conversation in a grocery store, a restaurant, or a movie theater and be bored to tears by her banality within 5 minutes. If I thought there was a place where the "smart people hang out", I'd go there and spit some game. What am I supposed to do, go to the library until I see the cute nerdy girl with glasses who is reading Proust? Yeah, I'll turn into a skeleton from malnourishment before that happens to me.
Instead of chasing the academic rabbit, I'll just concentrate on the pack of dogs in the race that are far behind. Maybe the rabbit will fall in my lap. One can hope.
Josie said:I love a little bit timid, nerdy, passive and thoughtful. Maybe if you start with your real self and then stay with that, you'll find who you're looking for.
Know what happened the last time someone screwed with a winning formula? New Coke.
Give me the right motivation, and you can get the experimental batch with all the taste and a percentage of the calories. You'll still get some edge though. I can't give up the goat completely.
I may be more Jekyll than Hide, but that doesn't mean the dark side isn't allowed to pop up once in a while. Besides, a little Hyde here and there makes it interesting, dontcha think?