joe six-pack
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It’s the same old thing. We have a presidential candidate from political party B promise change from political party A and then when in office follows or continues political party A’s platform and or goals.
The "evil" things that Bush was hated for, such as Gitmo, suspension of habeas corpus and warrantless wiretaps, are suddenly OK now that Obama is POTUS.
As a country, I think we've gone off the hyperbolic deep-end. It's time to take a sobering look at ourselves and realize that our political discussion is polluted with misinformation and insane gibberish.
Let me give you an example of a proper critique of Obama: He hasn't yet done the job he was sent to do. The President campaigned as a visionary, but has preformed to maintain the status quo; he has not delivered on all of his campaign promises, and has not yet delivered on the message he was elected to achieve.
But the conversation is deluded and skewed by pundits and talking-mouths who bring hyperbole into an otherwise reasonable critique of our 44th President. It detracts from the real issue of job performance when complete tools put his middle name, Hussein, in "quotation-marks" as if the people who voted for him care that his father was an African-Muslim.
It detracts from the conversation when crack-pots, who label a Liberal President, with many Conservative policies, a fascist or communist. It doesn't matter that these two ideas are contradictory. The people yelling these slogans don't really understand what they mean to begin with.
Take any major criticism of the President from the right--you can bet a Republican has done it. Health Care? Mandatory care was Bob Dole's idea, that Republican who ran against Clinton. Mitt Romney lead the charge for mandatory Health coverage in his home-state of Massachusetts, where homosexuals can get married to each other.
Government bail outs? Try George W Bush and the TARP fiasco.
There is nothing "radical" about this Presidents policies. If anything they are too ordinary, too common-place. It's been done, again and again by past Presidents, Congressmen and Senators on both sides of the isle. This is the status quo, not some radical Government overthrow.
You know what? I feel less represented by either side everyday. Republicans have no shame and Democrats are total screw-ups. But let's at least have a civilized discussion about the political process and accurately critique our Government and President. Please.
If not, then go to hell. Thanks.eace
No, we're still kinda upset about that.
As a country, I think we've gone off the hyperbolic deep-end. It's time to take a sobering look at ourselves and realize that our political discussion is polluted with misinformation and insane gibberish.
Let me give you an example of a proper critique of Obama: He hasn't yet done the job he was sent to do. The President campaigned as a visionary, but has preformed to maintain the status quo; he has not delivered on all of his campaign promises, and has not yet delivered on the message he was elected to achieve.
But the conversation is deluded and skewed by pundits and talking-mouths who bring hyperbole into an otherwise reasonable critique of our 44th President. It detracts from the real issue of job performance when complete tools put his middle name, Hussein, in "quotation-marks" as if the people who voted for him care that his father was an African-Muslim.
It detracts from the conversation when crack-pots, who label a Liberal President, with many Conservative policies, a fascist or communist. It doesn't matter that these two ideas are contradictory. The people yelling these slogans don't really understand what they mean to begin with.
Take any major criticism of the President from the right--you can bet a Republican has done it. Health Care? Mandatory care was Bob Dole's idea, that Republican who ran against Clinton. Mitt Romney lead the charge for mandatory Health coverage in his home-state of Massachusetts, where homosexuals can get married to each other.
Government bail outs? Try George W Bush and the TARP fiasco.
There is nothing "radical" about this Presidents policies. If anything they are too ordinary, too common-place. It's been done, again and again by past Presidents, Congressmen and Senators on both sides of the isle. This is the status quo, not some radical Government overthrow.
You know what? I feel less represented by either side everyday. Republicans have no shame and Democrats are total screw-ups. But let's at least have a civilized discussion about the political process and accurately critique our Government and President. Please.
If not, then go to hell. Thanks.eace
Yep, theres a reason why many democrats who are running are afraid of a low voting turnout.
I voted for change and I got Bush III. Conservatives keep telling me Obama is both The Liberal Messiah and that he's also very unpopular in his own party. It's kinda strange how they manage to reconcile those two thoughts.
Obama has not yet earned my vote for his re-election because he has not substantially delivered on his campaign promises, and has instead proven to be basically the same as every other politician, and especially on personal liberties he's just continued the Bush doctrine. Yeah, the Democrats have every reason to be afraid. If my choice is between "Incompetent and Spineless" and "Total Assholes," I'm probably just going to stay home.
I voted for change and I got Bush III. Conservatives keep telling me Obama is both The Liberal Messiah and that he's also very unpopular in his own party. It's kinda strange how they manage to reconcile those two thoughts.
Obama has not yet earned my vote for his re-election because he has not substantially delivered on his campaign promises, and has instead proven to be basically the same as every other politician, and especially on personal liberties he's just continued the Bush doctrine. Yeah, the Democrats have every reason to be afraid. If my choice is between "Incompetent and Spineless" and "Total Assholes," I'm probably just going to stay home.
Your story is similar to mine. My vote was to reverse many of Bush's policies that I disagreed with. Not really hope or change, but more of a return to normalcy. I didn't get that, so basically I have no party to turn to.
As a country, I think we've gone off the hyperbolic deep-end. It's time to take a sobering look at ourselves and realize that our political discussion is polluted with misinformation and insane gibberish.
After 8 years of hyperbolic deep-end about Bush... now we all should be calm and rational and if not, go to hell.
:lamo
Chickens... coming... home.... to roost.
Every time I take the neocons off ignore, they remind me why they were there to begin with.
This is basically how I feel, though I will still vote. It seems to me that the republicans have terrible ideas, but know how to get things done, and the dems have great ideas, but couldn't know how to do things the right way to save their lives. I guess my only hope is to vote for the guys with great ideas, and hope they get their act together, and learn how to get crap done.
and? that is new?As a country, I think we've gone off the hyperbolic deep-end. It's time to take a sobering look at ourselves and realize that our political discussion is polluted with misinformation and insane gibberish.
he did? i musta dozed off sometime during the campaign. can you cite anything anywhere where the then candidate made any such claim? or anything even remotely close.Let me give you an example of a proper critique of Obama: He hasn't yet done the job he was sent to do. The President campaigned as a visionary...
note. not I, the Visionary, but We, the People. THIS statement, as high minded as it is and with all its rhetorical flourish is simple. We get to chose a candidate that will pursue health care for all americans and jobs for the unemployed, begin the long job of changing our technologies to NOT damage the planet to benefit ourselves, and change the view that others have of us as a result of several decades, indeed, more than a century, of indifference and manipulation of other nations and peoples.generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment - this was the time - when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals.
if there is a welling up of irrationalism today, it is in this thinking.... WE are republicans and WE are democrats. The politicians (whom i expect you really mean) are our expression. YOU... You and I and the fella picking fluff outta his ear... we are to blame, not them... they are only doing a job.Republicans have no shame and Democrats are total screw-ups.
If not, then go to hell. Thanks.eace
After 8 years of hyperbolic deep-end about Bush... now we all should be calm and rational and if not, go to hell.
:lamo
Chickens... coming... home.... to roost.
kinda upset =/= being outraged enough to sacrifice national security and demonizing the POTUSNo, we're still kinda upset about that.
We need a party of Alan Graysons. That guy seems like the only honest democrat these days
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