Here's why we still need Affirmative Action

craigfarmer · Nov 14, 2007

When the answers to poll questions like this about willingness to vote for various types of people for President are indistinguishable from ones such as:

would you vote for a left handed president if he was qualified?

then we can rid ourselves of racial and other prefences.

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Even though the question really asks do you think Americans would vote for a particular type, it is an indication of what the person answering thinks. Imagine all of the potential we as a country are losing if we disqualify or devalue a person based on his religion, accent, political ideology, race, etc. None of these inform us about her/his qualifications.

Old liberals who support a.a. should expand their scope so that for example colleges would become more politically balanced, and the MSM would become more representative of America.

The essence of America is that the more voices and ideas that are given a chance, that improves the likelihood that one of them will offer a great solution to vexing problems.

So I offer objective standards to judge the usefullness of preferences, racial and otherwise: When these poll questions about the presidency and others are as non-sensical as,

Would you prefer a President who eats hot dogs or hamburgers-

then we can rid ourselves of affirmative action. Until then, we need to extend the active use of government to give preferences to people not only based on race, but all other areas that we as a country have mistakenly made important.

Schweddy · Nov 14, 2007

I am fat, the gov should send me money.

I have acne, the gov should give me tax breaks.

I am balding, the gov should hand out subcities on my behalf.

The time of Affirmative action is over...

Content of character plays a much larger role in our world.

jallman · Nov 14, 2007

All affirmative action ever did was force businesses and schools to aggressively pursue a policy of mediocrity in exchange for safety from Sharpton's and their bullhorns.

I don't care if a minority ever gets a promotion or accepted to a good school. What I do care about is whether the most deserving and excellent candidate gets what he rightfully deserves for his hard work.

NoMoreDems-Reps · Nov 14, 2007

craigfarmer said:
Imagine all of the potential we as a country are losing if we disqualify or devalue a person based on his religion, accent, political ideology, race, etc. None of these inform us about her/his qualifications.

Agreed. We need truth, honesty, and integrity in Mass
Media so we can truly see the content of a person, and not
disqualify them for secondary issues!

craigfarmer said:
Old liberals who support a.a. should expand their scope so that for example colleges would become more politically balanced, and the MSM would become more representative of America.

No! People should rise above on their own! They should not
use government to give them an advantage over other
Americans/People! Colleges should not lower their
standards for one group of people and not others! That
wrong, and unjust!

craigfarmer said:
The essence of America is that the more voices and ideas that are given a chance, that improves the likelihood that one of them will offer a great solution to vexing problems.

The essence of America is that we draw the best from all
the voices and Ideas and build upon those. And filter out
the bad/destructive voices/Ideas.

craigfarmer said:
So I offer objective standards to judge the usefullness of preferences, racial and otherwise: When these poll questions about the presidency and others are as non-sensical as,
Would you prefer a President who eats hot dogs or hamburgers-

I think a better education system will be the best solution
for making Americans grow out of incorrect thought
processes. It will also enable them to realize when they are:
"Claiming they want justice through unjust means".
And hopefully they will correct themselves.

craigfarmer said:
then we can rid ourselves of affirmative action. Until then, we need to extend the active use of government to give preferences to people not only based on race, but all other areas that we as a country have mistakenly made important.

Affirmative Action should have been ended in 2000!
Look anyone can go to school and become succeful! It's
hard and takes a looooootttttt of work. Some people do it
and most don't! (ie. Bill Gates and the guy pan handling
on the Freeway off ramp). There are NO RESTRICTIONS
on getting "A's"!
2+2=4 is correct whether you're black or white!

For example you own a high tech business:
You have 20 Asians with a 4.0 GPA,10yrs Direct experience
and one guy(A.A. approved) with a 2.0 GPA 1yr experience.
You have two open positions, Who do you hire?
This is "YOUR" Business, you took a home loan to start
it, and it's success will be determined by these two
employees.

Do you want "DIVERSITY" (A.A.)?
Or do you want the best?

Panache · Nov 14, 2007

When the answers to poll questions like this about willingness to vote for various types of people for President are indistinguishable from ones such as:

would you vote for a left handed president if he was qualified?

then we can rid ourselves of racial and other prefences.

I don't see what your poll has to do with Affirmative action.

Are you saying that blacks should have preferential treatment for being elected? How are you going to define "black?"

What are you suggesting we do to make political elections more fair, and how do you think it is going to help?

DeeJayH · Nov 15, 2007

am i the only one who finds it lame that he linked to his own Blog :rofl

danarhea · Nov 16, 2007

Want to know which rascist honky was staunchly opposed to affirmative action? It was Malcolm X.

He saw it as a slap in the face to African Americans by so-called Liberal whites, who viewed blacks as not able to do as well as whites, because of past rascism, or whatever reason, and therefore needed a helping hand. And you know what? Malcolm X was right. Limousine Liberal white people might not want to admit it, but some of them are rascist too. They pretend not to show it, but it comes out when they pander to the black community by offering affirmative action and similar laws and programs instead of addressing the problem of rascism directly, by taking a good look at themselves in a mirror. They could have done better by eliminating the red-lining of homes in their own neighborhoods, or by quitting their exclusive country clubs, which have those "membership rules". A good example is River Oaks, here in Houston. All the rich white bleeding hearts there talk a good talk. Is that why that neighborhood is still exclusively white, despite Houston having a good number of black millionaires? Do this experiment.

The "buying a home" experiment for white people:

1) Seek out a realtor who sells homes in River Oaks, or other "exclusive" area, where prices are not listed publicly.

2) Call up, and with your "whitest" accent, tell the realtor you are interested in one of the homes for sale there, and ask the price.

3) Next, have a black friend do the same thing, with the "blackest" accent he can muster.

What you will notice is that 2 prices will be given, one a fair market price, and one sky high. Guess who gets the sky high price? (Hint: It won't be you.) There was an expose by channel 13 on just this about 15 years ago, and 15 years later, there has been no change.

Affirmative action is not a cure for rascism, but only perpetuates it. The only cure for rascism is to abolish it, but the problem is that too many Liberal white people who are in self denial won't admit that they themselves are part of the problem.

Hatuey · Nov 20, 2007

danarhea said:
Want to know which rascist honky was staunchly opposed to affirmative action? It was Malcolm X.

He saw it as a slap in the face to African Americans by so-called Liberal whites, who viewed blacks as not able to do as well as whites, because of past rascism, or whatever reason, and therefore needed a helping hand. And you know what? Malcolm X was right. Limousine Liberal white people might not want to admit it, but some of them are rascist too. They pretend not to show it, but it comes out when they pander to the black community by offering affirmative action and similar laws and programs instead of addressing the problem of rascism directly, by taking a good look at themselves in a mirror. They could have done better by eliminating the red-lining of homes in their own neighborhoods, or by quitting their exclusive country clubs, which have those "membership rules". A good example is River Oaks, here in Houston. All the rich white bleeding hearts there talk a good talk. Is that why that neighborhood is still exclusively white, despite Houston having a good number of black millionaires? Do this experiment.

The "buying a home" experiment for white people:

1) Seek out a realtor who sells homes in River Oaks, or other "exclusive" area, where prices are not listed publicly.

2) Call up, and with your "whitest" accent, tell the realtor you are interested in one of the homes for sale there, and ask the price.

3) Next, have a black friend do the same thing, with the "blackest" accent he can muster.

What you will notice is that 2 prices will be given, one a fair market price, and one sky high. Guess who gets the sky high price? (Hint: It won't be you.) There was an expose by channel 13 on just this about 15 years ago, and 15 years later, there has been no change.

Affirmative action is not a cure for rascism, but only perpetuates it. The only cure for rascism is to abolish it, but the problem is that too many Liberal white people who are in self denial won't admit that they themselves are part of the problem.

I actually did this once. Called a bank inquiring about loans with my white "voice". Then I did the same with my black "voice". The service wasn't anywhere near the same.

Cold Highway · Nov 20, 2007

danarhea said:
Want to know which rascist honky was staunchly opposed to affirmative action? It was Malcolm X.

He saw it as a slap in the face to African Americans by so-called Liberal whites, who viewed blacks as not able to do as well as whites, because of past rascism, or whatever reason, and therefore needed a helping hand. And you know what? Malcolm X was right. Limousine Liberal white people might not want to admit it, but some of them are rascist too. They pretend not to show it, but it comes out when they pander to the black community by offering affirmative action and similar laws and programs instead of addressing the problem of rascism directly, by taking a good look at themselves in a mirror. They could have done better by eliminating the red-lining of homes in their own neighborhoods, or by quitting their exclusive country clubs, which have those "membership rules". A good example is River Oaks, here in Houston. All the rich white bleeding hearts there talk a good talk. Is that why that neighborhood is still exclusively white, despite Houston having a good number of black millionaires? Do this experiment.

The "buying a home" experiment for white people:

1) Seek out a realtor who sells homes in River Oaks, or other "exclusive" area, where prices are not listed publicly.

2) Call up, and with your "whitest" accent, tell the realtor you are interested in one of the homes for sale there, and ask the price.

3) Next, have a black friend do the same thing, with the "blackest" accent he can muster.

What you will notice is that 2 prices will be given, one a fair market price, and one sky high. Guess who gets the sky high price? (Hint: It won't be you.) There was an expose by channel 13 on just this about 15 years ago, and 15 years later, there has been no change.

Affirmative action is not a cure for rascism, but only perpetuates it. The only cure for rascism is to abolish it, but the problem is that too many Liberal white people who are in self denial won't admit that they themselves are part of the problem.

I honestly think I have seen that real estate situation done on CNN.

Joby · Nov 20, 2007

I don't agree with anything about Affirmative Action.

That said, we also need to get rid of "Negaive Action" before we start trying to dismantle AA.

For example, living in Texas we have "independent school districts," done for one reason - segregation.

Look up you states racial makeup and prison makeup - You'll be suprised to know that if your living in the North your state will probably be more lopsided than the south.

Look at which races are executed the most (It ain't white people).

The list goes on and on.

BubbaBob · Nov 20, 2007

Affitmative Action...the racism of low expectations.

BB

DeeJayH · Nov 20, 2007

if one can not make it in America
go back to africa or another backwards arse countyr/continent

RightinNYC · Nov 20, 2007

From the OP's website:

We need affirmative action in the U.S. not only for race, but for all other areas that matter to people including gender, religion, political ideology, geographic home, physical appearance, etc. Until it is clear that the reason a person succeeds or fails is based on objective merit, we need to take affirmative action to ensure equality.

:rofl

"Good news Johnny! I know that you were disappointed that you didn't have the scores to get into Harvard, but they just saw your picture and said they had a spot set aside for fatasses who look like they have fetal alcohol syndrome!"

1069 · Nov 20, 2007

DeeJayH said:
if one can not make it in America
go back to africa or another backwards arse countyr/continent

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If you don't like it, go back to Africa
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:2wave:

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