Here's the facts on Covid and this new strain. Stop the freakout!

[Linc]

The dumbocrats blamed Trump for what 400K deaths, Biden is already at 230K and on his way to number 1 on the podium

All of the deaths belong to trump period

 

[Linc]

I don't doubt it.

Let DeathSentence infect the private schools.

 

[Linc]

In the past two weeks, the death rate ratio versus infections is 0.00433.
5,259 deaths in two weeks, compared to over 3,000 a DAY at the height of Covid.

Let us know how we’re doing after the Sturgis variant spreads.

 

[Paradoxical]

I don't know where you're getting your numbers.

US daily confirmed case numbers (7-day average) peaked on January 11 at 255,610. About two weeks later, there was a death peak at 3478. That's a ratio of 73 confirmed cases to 1 confirmed death.

Yesterday, confirmed deaths were up to 440/day (that's nearly double the low point in early July), and the case number about 2 weeks ago (July 22) was 46,603. That's a ratio of 106 to 1.

The small difference is easily explained by the increased availability of testing and/or breakthrough infections in the vaccinated.

The daily case numbers have more than doubled in the last two weeks and are showing no sign of slowing, so you can easily expect the daily death numbers to break 1000 in a couple of weeks.

Here we go with the goal posts. I can only go by the numbers available online and the infection rates for the past two weeks is 1,214,546 according to the worldometer. The deaths are 5,259. That is 0,00473.

This is for two weeks. If you think it is going to go up astronomically from here, so be it. Then you have to explain why in India the rate was crazy high and has plummeted.

 

[Paradoxical]

The dumbocrats blamed Trump for what 400K deaths, Biden is already at 230K and on his way to number 1 on the podium

Trump spearheaded the vaccine that both Biden and Harris said they wouldn't trust. Now they want to tell everyone to take it since Biden is in office. If he wasn't and THIS was happening it would be a firestorm of accusing Trump personally of making everyone tale an EXPERIMENTAL vaccine that hasn't worked.

 

[Paradoxical]

Let DeathSentence infect the private schools.

Look up for me how many children under 18 have died from this and do get back to me on that. I 'preciate it.

 

[Paradoxical]

Let us know how we’re doing after the Sturgis variant spreads.

I guess it will be the same as you totalitarian dictator said about the "Neanderthals' in Texas...............ZIP, ZILCH, NADA when they took off their masks.

 

[iguanaman]

If you look at the Coronavirus chart, there were millions of infections due to Covid and the new strain called delta. From August 4 of last year to August 4 of this year, there were 31,136,907 infections. In hearing that, it would send many of you to the funny farm because of nail-biting and singing "The sky is falling!" In looking at such a large number, even I may be a little fretful. But, it pays to research and do your homework. By all previous knowledge and even admission by some of the more honest people, this new delta strain, while more infectious than Covid, is just as mild as the regular flu. Matter of fact, the flu has all but disappeared since Covid arrived. Funny isn't it? If any of you question this or disagree, please supply a link from a credible source and an excerpt.

What would you say if I told you that there were 45 million flu cases in the year 2017-2018. What if I told you there were 36 million cases in the next year? What if I further told you that it is common that the flu infects on average over 30 million people every single year? What if, as usual, I proved it to you as follows with this link?

Number of flu cases per year U.S. 2010-2023 | Statista

The number of flu cases in the U.S. fluctuates by year. Over the past decade the yearly number of cases ranged from 9 to 41 million.

www.statista.com

I can hear the wheels turning among the Communist leftists reading this and the "yesbutts" that the infections are zooming up and, and. I looked at the infection for the last month in the united states and they were a whopping 1,696,359. Sounds like a lot and if it kept like this for a whole year, that would mean 20,356,308 infections with a death toll for this new strain about what it is for the flu.

So, all of you can stop the nail-biting, call CNN and MSNBS to see what else you should fear, and while you're at it, admit I was right all along.

84 people died from this "mild flu" in Florida yesterday. They were not old people either. Over 80% of seniors are vaccinated. We also have more people than ever before hospitalized with covid from this "Mild" Delta variant. 20,000+ new cases yesterday in Florida alone.

The COVID-19 surge could also have political implications. DeSantis has often refused to impose restrictions, such as a statewide mask mandate. Until July, he could point to the fact that Florida had fared no worse than most other states in terms of COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.
The current surge could complicate that record. Last week, a group of 405 Florida doctors known as the Committee to Protect Health Care attacked DeSantis's handling of the current surge.
“If DeSantis were as concerned about stopping COVID-19 spread as he was about coming up with these clever jabs about Dr. Fauci, we might not be in this position,” said Dr. Bernard Ashby, a Miami cardiologist and leader of the group.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/florida-hospitals-struggle-with-covid-19-surge

 

[Noodlegawd]

Here we go with the goal posts. I can only go by the numbers available online and the infection rates for the past two weeks is 1,214,546 according to the worldometer. The deaths are 5,259. That is 0,00473.

This is for two weeks. If you think it is going to go up astronomically from here, so be it. Then you have to explain why in India the rate was crazy high and has plummeted.

You do understand that the average person who dies from Covid doesn't die on the same day he tested positive, right?

The case numbers are rapidly increasing, and the death numbers are starting to follow. The death numbers always trail by about 2-4 weeks. This is very well established, which you'd be able to figure out yourself it you took even a second to look and cared to be honest about it.

 

[Fledermaus]

Trump spearheaded the vaccine that both Biden and Harris said they wouldn't trust. Now they want to tell everyone to take it since Biden is in office. If he wasn't and THIS was happening it would be a firestorm of accusing Trump personally of making everyone tale an EXPERIMENTAL vaccine that hasn't worked.

Quote them saying they wouldn't trust a vaccine.

 

[Fledermaus]

Look up for me how many children under 18 have died from this and do get back to me on that. I 'preciate it.

. Death is not the only issue.

 

[mike2810]

. Death is not the only issue.

Correct. Amazing how some ignore the possible long term health damage that can occur in people who have had covid.

 

[Paradoxical]

84 people died from this "mild flu" in Florida yesterday. They were not old people either. Over 80% of seniors are vaccinated. We also have more people than ever before hospitalized with covid from this "Mild" Delta variant. 20,000+ new cases yesterday in Florida alone.

The COVID-19 surge could also have political implications. DeSantis has often refused to impose restrictions, such as a statewide mask mandate. Until July, he could point to the fact that Florida had fared no worse than most other states in terms of COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.
The current surge could complicate that record. Last week, a group of 405 Florida doctors known as the Committee to Protect Health Care attacked DeSantis's handling of the current surge.
“If DeSantis were as concerned about stopping COVID-19 spread as he was about coming up with these clever jabs about Dr. Fauci, we might not be in this position,” said Dr. Bernard Ashby, a Miami cardiologist and leader of the group.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/florida-hospitals-struggle-with-covid-19-surge

Look, it is a given that they are going to go after DeSantis because the evil Democrats always look to demonize the person or group that is a threat to them and they see DeSantis as a presidential threat and the media hates him as well. CNN admitted they go after people like him.

Suppose you tell me where masks work and offer me one ounce of proof??

You pick Florida with 84 deaths yesterday with 20,000 plus cases. There are no mask mandates there but of course, people are free to wear them, amitrite. But let us look at comparisons.

Nine states — California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, and Washington — have indoor mask mandates in place,

Florida has no mask requirement and has 126,835 cases per million people


California 101,681 cases per million people.
Connecticut has 100,229 cases per million people
Hawaii has 31,512 cases per million people (an island. can be thrown out)
Illinois has 113,110 cases per million people
Nevada has 117,616 cases per million
New Mexico has 101,700 cases per million
New York has 114,561 cases per million
Washington has 64,075 cases per million


What logic, math or science do you see above that tells you that masks "work" in the nine states that have mask requirements?

 

[Paradoxical]

You do understand that the average person who dies from Covid doesn't die on the same day he tested positive, right?

The case numbers are rapidly increasing, and the death numbers are starting to follow. The death numbers always trail by about 2-4 weeks. This is very well established, which you'd be able to figure out yourself it you took even a second to look and cared to be honest about it.

We will wait for a month or so but in the meantime, what is your impression of India?

 

[Lutherf]

We just had over 120,000 cases compared to less than 20,000 a few weeks ago. This is going right back to the awful levels a few months ago.

Let's think about that.

Here in the US we have right around 170M fully vaccinated people. We also have more than 35M that have had the disease, recovered and gained a natural immunity. We've also got around 135M people under the age of 35, a demographic that is at nearly negligible risk from COVID. With an overall population around 325M who else are we trying to protect? You've got something like 2/3 of the population that has immunity through either vaccination or natural and another 1/3 that is at extremely low risk of negative outcomes from infection. Even assuming that there's a lot of overlap between these three reasonably low risk groups we're still probably at 70% "safe".

 

[uptower]

Seriously over half a million dead and 'stop the freakout'?

Covid skepticism is not a political position it's just plain dumb as f***

 

[Noodlegawd]

We will wait for a month or so but in the meantime, what is your impression of India?

What about India?

 

[ajn678]

Let's think about that.

Here in the US we have right around 170M fully vaccinated people. We also have more than 35M that have had the disease, recovered and gained a natural immunity. We've also got around 135M people under the age of 35, a demographic that is at nearly negligible risk from COVID. With an overall population around 325M who else are we trying to protect? You've got something like 2/3 of the population that has immunity through either vaccination or natural and another 1/3 that is at extremely low risk of negative outcomes from infection. Even assuming that there's a lot of overlap between these three reasonably low risk groups we're still probably at 70% "safe".

There is a good possibility that with the amount of idiots not vaccinated in the United States that this virus will continue going around for a while. There is also a possibility that mutations could severely limit the ability for vaccines to work effectively. The simple fact remains: If you are not vaccinated in the United States at this point and you don't have a medical issue that prevents you from taking the vaccine, you are stupid or selfish.

 

[LostInSeattle]

And you are (conveniently and knowingly) mixing apples and oranges. This is about the NEW strain of Covid as stated in the OP. The NEW strain is FAR FAR less deadly than the original. It has been weakened. If you calculate the number of infections in the past month from the NEW strain and the death rate per infections you get a death rate that is no worse than the common flu and you get fewer infections than the average flu season. So, I'm wondering what the hysteria is all about. Can you explain this to me?

Also whole you're at it......since this is mathematically and scientifically about the same as the regular flu, why are we all freaking out and masking up?

I wasn't conveniently and knowingly mixing anything. Your OP lacked a concise statement of its point, so I had to infer what you were driving at. If I erred, I apologize, but I did the best I could with what I had to work with.

So, what information do you have to show that the rates of mortality and long term impacts from the delta variant and much lower than the original strain? If I missed that as well, I again apologize.

 

[Paradoxical]

What about India?

They were the first country to be hit hard with the Delta variant. they had 400,000 cases on May 6th and today 30,000. How did they do that? Where did Delta Dawn go? Could be a faded Virus from days gone by? Or did you hear me say, the virus will be weakening any day?

I wasn't conveniently and knowingly mixing anything. Your OP lacked a concise statement of its point, so I had to infer what you were driving at. If I erred, I apologize, but I did the best I could with what I had to work with.

So, what information do you have to show that the rates of mortality and long term impacts from the delta variant and much lower than the original strain? If I missed that as well, I again apologize.

Infection, once again, mean very little. Some years we have a mild flu season, and others, it is more severe. If you look at the past 8 years the average number of people who are infected is over 30 million. that is roughly 10% of the population of 330 million people.

the Covid strain has all but disappeared as the latest reports I have seen are that 90% of the cases are from the new, milder variant called Delta. This took hold anywhere from 2-3 months ago. If you look at the numbers from any statistic site you want and use whatever time frame you want….2 weeks, 2 months, 3 months, you will see the infections increased and the deaths per million decreased dramatically from as high as 3000 a day.

all we can do is to make educated guesses based on the history and we can and should use India as an example. They were hit hard with the Delta variant and now it has drastically subsided. We have no reason to believe it won’t be the same here. But if you do the math, the current death rate per infection is about the same as the common flu. If you or anyone else here can provide to me any evidence I am wrong, please do so.

 

[tshade]

then get a booster when it comes out

Just get the vaccination

 

[CriticalThought]

It is relevant because as a society we are becoming blubbering cry babies who can't handle adversity or death. This does not bode well for the future. We have to use analogies and comparisons asc a gauge of how to react and if these abject snowflakes are going to win the day on this issue, it sets the table for the future. I compare it to the flu because tens of thousands die from the flu each year and it is almost expected. As you can see, over 30 MILLION people are infected from the regular flu every single year. These readers don't know this information because MSM won't do the research. They are not reporters or researchers. they are overpaid bloviators instilling fear as a control mechanism and to keep people tuning in so that they make even more millions.

I am not trying to minimize Covid or the deaths or even those infected. It is a tragedy not wished on anyone. But if we are going to go into fear mode whenever there is a catastrophe, our country will not survive and our species won't, either. We cannot let the left deal the cards, set the table, and use fear as a control mechanism. IUf we demand masks and vaccinations, how much different are we from Communist China, North Korea, or any other totalitarian regime? You can assert government control or it's "for the good of the whole" wherever and whenever you want. We now have health officials shutting down society. We are letting them like compliant sheep They will call the next FLU season a different strain of Covid and demand masks all over again. they will insist everyone get a flu shot. Why not? they can, and will unless we rise up against this unelected tyranny.

It is odd you cite stats from the same groups you claim are inherently untrustworthy and malevolent. I don't find your perspective enviable given the list of people you seem willing to trust are only those that will align with what you want to believe. Your posts are filled with certitude that there are agendas afoot everywhere to oppress you and yet somehow you think the people who are putting such thoughts in your head are not using your fear to control you. Relax. Maybe lay off the partisan media and social media echo chamber for awhile.

 

[Ethel2]

But the CDC head said that 1 or 2 out of every 10 or 20 who got vaccinated would wind up with a breakthrough Covid infection. So the vaccine doesn't work. In fact it's not a vaccine it is a therapeutic, it helps mitigate the symptoms but doesn't guarantee you will not get Covid.

Seriously? Are we back here again?
Vaccines don’t work because a small percentage of people get Covid after being vaccinated is the same as saying seatbelts don’t work because they don’t save ALL the lives in accidents.

 

[Paradoxical]

It is odd you cite stats from the same groups you claim are inherently untrustworthy and malevolent. I don't find your perspective enviable given the list of people you seem willing to trust are only those that will align with what you want to believe. Your posts are filled with certitude that there are agendas afoot everywhere to oppress you and yet somehow you think the people who are putting such thoughts in your head are not using your fear to control you. Relax. Maybe lay off the partisan media and social media echo chamber for awhile.

I gather you watch sneed max every day yourself? The sanctimony is oozing.

 

[JasperL]

But the CDC head said that 1 or 2 out of every 10 or 20 who got vaccinated would wind up with a breakthrough Covid infection. So the vaccine doesn't work. In fact it's not a vaccine it is a therapeutic, it helps mitigate the symptoms but doesn't guarantee you will not get Covid.

It's sometimes hard to believe that we're this far in the pandemic and people still have no idea how vaccines work. SAD!!