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Here’s Why You Should Be Skeptical Of Texas’ Allegations Of Voter Fraud

The list was of suspected non-citizens on voter rolls - finding one out of 4100 names to have recently become a citizen does not "undermine most" of those 4100 names as not being US citizens. The OP linked story does pretty much what you claim to want to stop - jumping to conclusions without checking the data carefully.

Well Texas is home to many recent immigrants, many of whom would have recently become citizens in the last few years, and it seems that Texas does not automatically update their records when someone becomes naturalized. There is a very strong chance that a lot of these people are recent citizens.
 
Right. Let's send out the jack booted storm troopers and round these nefarious criminals up before they destroy democracy.

Sheesh.

"You righties lefties sure do like to get your boxers in a bunch over not much of anything. Amazing. " (Original by Idiometer)


Speaking of bunched boxers, those "jack booted storm troopers" are usually called public safety law enforcement, in a democracy. Your brain, if residing in the rearmost area of bunched shorts, might explain your confusion.
 
Well Texas is home to many recent immigrants, many of whom would have recently become citizens in the last few years, and it seems that Texas does not automatically update their records when someone becomes naturalized. There is a very strong chance that a lot of these people are recent citizens.

I understand that which is why the Texas state officials are having local voter supervisors check these suspected non-citizen voter claims out. My point is that a news story about jumping to conclusions includes folks doing just that.
 
But that is not what happens. They can be purged for being legal and not voting, or moving house, or having the same last name as a felon or a dead guy or a million other reasons. Too often that surname is Washington or Hernandez.

And illegal voting has not been 'shown' by the Texas attorney general. He made the allegation with no evidence whatsoever, as demonstrated in the Snopes fact check I posted earlier.

Actually the snopes article made it clear that there was insufficient data to know how valid or invalid the concern is. I think for any reasonable observer there is insufficient proof (from what we know) to determine how significant the data generated is; it is certainty a potential problem, given what data is available.

One reason for the uncertainty is the somewhat vague descriptions of the methodology and the distribution of the years of each persons non-citizenship, subsequent registration, and voting record since that date. Naturally, if a person is a non-citizen in January and registering to vote in May, he/she is far less likely to be a legal voter than someone who was a non-citizen in 1996 and registered in 2001 or later (even if their DL was never updated).

It is also unclear if the federal database is generally kept up to date, or if it is ever consulted after the original date of the DL or ID. As for surnames, common names appear more frequently in the records because they are more frequent in the population, and therefore should be found in greater numbers. Alternatively, given the current nature of politics and criminality, its not implausible that greater numbers of those with black and Hispanic surnames are there because proportionally more of them are illegal voters. And, one should note, most legal non-citizens and voting naturalized citizens in Texas are not on discrepancy lists - meaning somehow their non-citizenship DLs and IDs were corrected at somepoint.

In any event, until more methodological and empirical information is forthcoming, its impossible to make any conclusion one way or the other. And none of this need be a controversy if so many did not fight relentlessly against every effort to confirm that a voter is, in fact, a legal voter - which non-citizens, illegal aliens, and felons (usually) are not.

The purge lists may not be the optimal method, but until a voter ID or DL is issued in accordance with either a birth certificate/naturalization documentation requirement (real ID?) this is one of the alternatives.

If you think it worse than a robust voter ID then it may be a case of not being careful what you wished for.
 
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Oh it's mathematical is it? I was under the impression they just go down the list and strike off anyone who sounds ethnic.

The only math involved is how many fewer voters state Republican voters are racing one another to wipe off the register.

Then you either haven't read, or understood, your own links.
 
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/texas-voter-fraud-allegations_us_5c4f8708e4b00906b26c62ac

When Lisa Wise, the top election official in El Paso County, Texas, got a list of suspected noncitizens on her voter rolls, one name quickly stood out. It was the name of someone in her office who went to get a state ID a few years ago and recently became a naturalized U.S. citizen.

The data point underscores why many are skeptical about claims from Texas’ Secretary of State David Whitley (R) and Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) that 95,000 noncitizens may be on the voting rolls and that 58,000 of them voted in at least one election since 1996. Election officials, lawyers and experts said that number is likely inflated because of people who applied for driver’s licenses when they were legal permanent residents and later became naturalized.
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Figures lie & liars figure.

Democrats are not interested in searching this out. If they can find one name that may possibly be abnormal to the rest in the evidence they are happy to dismiss the whole lot without investigation. To democrats, investigating evidences of democrat voter fraud is like questioning the purity of God.
 
Don't tell me there's no voter fraud going on!

A quick perusal of the Texas voting rolls showed that guy named John Smith voted over a dozen times all over the state in the last election alone!

And don't even get me started on how many times a guy name Jose Ramirez voted!

It's an outrage, I tell ya!
 
Then you either haven't read, or understood, your own links.

It is clear from those links there is not sufficient information to come out and claim that 58,000 illegals voted. Illegals hardly ever vote, that's the way they roll. With texas ID laws one wonders how they could. Jesus they make it hard enough for native born minorities to vote, what's the illegals' secret.

It's a clown show, nothing more. An excuse to make fewer people vote. Whip up fear, tighten the registration law, ID laws and purge more rolls, and only white people will be left voting. We get it.
 
Well Texas is home to many recent immigrants, many of whom would have recently become citizens in the last few years, and it seems that Texas does not automatically update their records when someone becomes naturalized. There is a very strong chance that a lot of these people are recent citizens.

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Assuming that's the cause, this declaration from the the TX SecState...

County voter registrars have been provided with numerous training opportunities to ensure that list maintenance activities are conducted in accordance with state and federal law so as to not affect eligible voters.​

... is pointless because there must then be a material gap in the process used to verify citizenship or a material gap in the skills and abilities of the people (or processing logic of the software) who perform those verifications.
 
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/texas-voter-fraud-allegations_us_5c4f8708e4b00906b26c62ac

When Lisa Wise, the top election official in El Paso County, Texas, got a list of suspected noncitizens on her voter rolls, one name quickly stood out. It was the name of someone in her office who went to get a state ID a few years ago and recently became a naturalized U.S. citizen.

The data point underscores why many are skeptical about claims from Texas’ Secretary of State David Whitley (R) and Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) that 95,000 noncitizens may be on the voting rolls and that 58,000 of them voted in at least one election since 1996. Election officials, lawyers and experts said that number is likely inflated because of people who applied for driver’s licenses when they were legal permanent residents and later became naturalized.
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Figures lie & liars figure.

And here's why you should absolutely believe it...BECAUSE IT's TRUE.



The Dems CANNOT WIN W/O ILLEGALS VOTING, and they KNOW IT = why they oppose ANY VOTER/ELECTION SECURITY IMPORVEMENTS...
 
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/texas-voter-fraud-allegations_us_5c4f8708e4b00906b26c62ac

When Lisa Wise, the top election official in El Paso County, Texas, got a list of suspected noncitizens on her voter rolls, one name quickly stood out. It was the name of someone in her office who went to get a state ID a few years ago and recently became a naturalized U.S. citizen.

The data point underscores why many are skeptical about claims from Texas’ Secretary of State David Whitley (R) and Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) that 95,000 noncitizens may be on the voting rolls and that 58,000 of them voted in at least one election since 1996. Election officials, lawyers and experts said that number is likely inflated because of people who applied for driver’s licenses when they were legal permanent residents and later became naturalized.
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Figures lie & liars figure.

Of course they lie, this way they can get complete idiots and assholes to purge millions of democratic voters in response. their base are the lowest of the low
 
Oh, well Twitter,, you got me. Every one know every word on twitter is gospel truth.

Yet again, you cannot address the actual data/information but you have to break down and whine about where the data is hosted.

Another easy win. Thanks!
 
And here's why you should absolutely believe it...BECAUSE IT's TRUE.



The Dems CANNOT WIN W/O ILLEGALS VOTING, and they KNOW IT = why they oppose ANY VOTER/ELECTION SECURITY IMPORVEMENTS...

LOLOL! Then why can't you show that any dems won to illegals voting?
 
And what exactly is the "Texas Tribune"? By the way your ignorant insults don't help make the case that you know anything.

I'm not familiar with the tribune, just pointing out that the source was not twitter, as you claimed. Did you read the link? Or the one cited by the OP?
 
And what exactly is the "Texas Tribune"? By the way your ignorant insults don't help make the case that you know anything.

Oh, yeah ... regarding my so-called "ignorant insults," don't dish them out if you're going to whine about them coming back at ya.
 
"You righties lefties sure do like to get your boxers in a bunch over not much of anything. Amazing. " (Original by Idiometer)


Speaking of bunched boxers, those "jack booted storm troopers" are usually called public safety law enforcement, in a democracy. Your brain, if residing in the rearmost area of bunched shorts, might explain your confusion.

In a democracy, "public safety law enforcement" does not do home invasions based on nothing more that a suspicion that someone may have voted out of turn. That's a jack booted thug mentality.
 
I'm not familiar with the tribune, just pointing out that the source was not twitter, as you claimed. Did you read the link? Or the one cited by the OP?
Wasn't really a "claim" just a touch of sarcasm of you guys going to war because of an unknown entity tweeting something you like while constantly peeing your pants over Trump's tweets.
 
And here's why you should absolutely believe it...BECAUSE IT's TRUE.



The Dems CANNOT WIN W/O ILLEGALS VOTING, and they KNOW IT = why they oppose ANY VOTER/ELECTION SECURITY IMPORVEMENTS...

No article about this situation mentions ANYTHING about illegals!!!!

As a positive side note, each and every one of those 95,000 noncitizens has a state approved photo ID issued by the State of Texas Department of Public Safety (drivers license). So much for super strict voter ID law.
 
Wasn't really a "claim" just a touch of sarcasm of you guys going to war because of an unknown entity tweeting something you like while constantly peeing your pants over Trump's tweets.

I don't use Twitter. I was merely pointing out your failure to read an article because of the source, but naming the wrong source.
 
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