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Simpleχity;1065805600 said:Here’s the Latest Evidence Torture Doesn’t Keep Us Safe
It all comes down to the neurological consequences of stressors....
Uh... Yes, yes it does.But one needs be careful with such research to understand, what it actually does mean. I have not read this paper, but to say "Ethics aside, science tells us that it has no value as an intelligence-gathering tactic. Indeed, waterboarding can actually lessen the brain’s ability to extract memory" and "Here’s the Latest Evidence Torture Doesn’t Keep Us Safe" in this context do not relate to each other.
Uh, hello? It's that not only does pain and suffering prevent recall, it potentially "overwrites" the memories of the interrogation subject. Instead of remembering things as they happen, they remember what the interrogator wants them to recall.It is not that the interrogated party does not remember, you see, and so must search her memory for this detail or that, for which one uses enhanced interrogation methods.
One day, we'll look back on torturing prisoners the same way we now look back on slavery and the Japanese relocation camps.
Let's hope that day comes soon. My country is better than that.
One day, we'll look back on torturing prisoners the same way we now look back on slavery and the Japanese relocation camps.
Let's hope that day comes soon. My country is better than that.
You and I are both dreamers. Some recent polls, 10 years after Abu Ghraib and less than 2 years after the Senate Report, show that 2 out of 3 americans support torture. My very informal guess is that about 2 out of 3 posters here feel the same.
Dick Cheney and Dubya took us to the Dark Side, and many found out they rather like it.
"We?" Speak for yourself. I fully support President Roosevelt's order relocating persons of Japanese ancestry away from the West Coast.
I have seen articles like the one linked to here before. They are useful for leftists, who, when they are not busy running down the United States, hold out the crying towel for the Islamic jihadists who chose to make war on it. The three senior Al Qaeda jihadists who were subjected to the approved waterboarding technique were not then asked to perform complex square root calculations in their head. They were asked simple questions that were vital to our national security--who was in on the 9/11 attacks with them, where they could be found, and what other plots were in the works. It seems they answered well enough to let some of the other bastards be captured and further plots broken up before thousands more could be murdered.
The plain fact is that leftists side with these curs because they loathe America--and western civilization generally--just like the jihadists do. They have been cooperating ever since 9/11, as is well documented in a fine book by the man who led the prosecution of Abdel Rahman for leading the conspiracy to bomb the World Trade Center the first time, in 1993. His name is Andy McCarthy, and the book is entitled "The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America."
One day, we'll look back on torturing prisoners the same way we now look back on slavery and the Japanese relocation camps.
Let's hope that day comes soon. My country is better than that.
Sorry, but it is the racists who still think Japanese relocation and slavery for blacks aren't blots on the record of America and those who still support torturing prisoners who really loath America and what it stands for. Shame on them.
Is that Andy McCarthy any relation to the famous Joe, or just a kindred spirit?
2 out of 3 americans support torture. My very informal guess is that about 2 out of 3 posters here feel the same.
Eh.. This place is VERY liberal biased..
Wrong,, it's very right of right.
lol too funny...
Torture is effective at getting the answers you want, not as effective at getting the real answers. Psychological efforts work far more effectively. The British used to use a technique that was highly effective. They would capture a group of people they wanted information and jail them in cells that were uncomfortable, but not miserably so. Then they'd blindfold the whole group and take them into a room together and have them sit on the floor. They'd tell the people that if they'd simply stand up to indicate that they wanted to talk, a soldier would escort them from the room and talk to them. They would be promised good food, a warm room, clean clothes, bath, etc. What the prisoners didn't know was that the British would mix in a couple of their own soldiers with the prisoners and if after a while no one stood up, one of the British soldiers would do so. The British would always thank the person (without mentioning their name) so that everyone knew that someone had talked. Once that had happened, it was only matter of time before others would stand up as well. They would get voluntary information from multiple sources (the best kind of intel from interrogation).
I used to be very conservative, till I realized it was unfair.
That is fricking brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. You get them thinking "Well somebody talked, so the cats out of the bag anyway, and I'd like better food and stuff too..."
What's unfair about it? No free stuff?
1, I doubt you know enough about the relocation to make any informed judgment about it. I suspect President Roosevelt's knowledge of what is now called the "Niihau incident" only convinced him more firmly that it was foolhardy, when the U.S. was at war with Japan, to take for granted the loyalty of all persons of Japanese ancestry living within U.S. territory. Many of these people had dual citizenship, because under Japanese law a person born in Japan retained his Japanese citizenship even if he permanently emigrated to another nation. In wartime, it should be self-evident that the loyalty of anyone who is a citizen of both belligerents is uncertain.
What's more, five Japanese submarines were patrolling off our West Coast from the Canadian to the Mexican border during December, 1941. At Portland and at Santa Cruz, these subs attacked merchant ships and chased almost into the harbors. Even a single spy relaying information about ship movements might have gotten a ship sunk, and if it had been carrying troops, that could well have cost the lives of many hundreds of Americans. And we now know a number of persons of Japanese ancestry living on Vancouver Island and on Terminal Island, near L.A., were agents for Japan.
Shame on all those people who choose to enjoy the benefits of living in this country while spreading slanders against it and playing the apologist for its enemies. Anyone who does that is a disloyal coward. 2. The false claim that the U.S. authorized the torture of Islamic jihadist war criminals is a staple of leftist anti-American propaganda. 3. Leftists and jihadists are natural allies--the both loathe America and western civilization.
4. Senator Joe McCarthy of Wisconsin is a personal hero of mine. He was a very brave patriot who was attacked and finally ruined by Democratic politicians who were damned liars. These unscrupulous (and in some cases, e.g. Dean Acheson, probably disloyal) men were determined to cover up the massive infiltration of federal government agencies by people working for Stalin's USSR against the United States. which had occurred during the Roosevelt and Truman administrations. The documents that have come to light since McCarthy's time run into the millions of pages, and even the small fraction which has so far been studied--largely in the form of the decrypts of the Venona cables and hundreds of thousands of pages of FBI files--proves that McCarthy, whatever mistakes he made, was far more sinned against than sinning. He was right about almost every person he suspected of disloyalty, and in several cases these people were even worse than he or anyone else knew at the time.
From your own mouth I'll hold you accountable. Look it up.
I'm sure I could find plenty of liberal propaganda to support the position that conservatism is unfair..
Eh.. This place is VERY liberal biased..
Not sure what that means.
1.Do you doubt that 2 out of three posters on DP support torture since there is a liberal bias?
2.Or do you mean that liberals support torture, so it fits that 2 out of 3 posters support torture?
1. Yes..
2. No..
I mean their is very high PC bias here therefore the polling that takes place on this forum does not reflect reality..
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