Herd Immunity May Be The Best Solution

[poweRob]

When are you planning on catching COVID?

Would you like a massive viral load in a mass spreader event indoors or would you rather gradually pick up trace amounts?

 

[Paradoxical]

Nope.. I look at all studies. And I understand the science. Its what I have to do as a doctor. Its called evidence based medicine.

Funny you said that.. because you clearly did not read the other studies in the link you provided.. that indicated that Chloroquine was not effective and possibly dangerous..

AND its clear that you didn;t even read the ACTUAL study that you claim supported your position. Otherwise you would have known that the study was weakened by the fact it was observational and did not use blinding or randomization.

The truth is.. Chloroquine might actually be effective for a very small portion of patients with very specific conditions. Which is why there have been some studies that show some benefit. But certainly the science is pretty clear that its not very effective and possibly dangerous for most of the patient population.. and there are better medications.. with better science backing them.

You are the one that has confirmation bias... you believe Chloroquine is effective because Trump said so.. and you cling to any evidence that you think supports you.. without evaluating all the evidence available, nor actually understanding your own.

It is ONLY because Trump recommended it that liberals jumped all over it like white on rice and sought out studies (some of which were debunked) that said it didn't work....the kind where they gave it to patients on their last legs gasping for breath and the liberal doctor said "This stuff don't work worth crap"

 

[Moderate Right]

No.. that makes absolutely no sense at all.

Cuomo isn't the head of US intelligence and gets the first reports on what was happening in China.
Trump as president.. is the head of US intelligence services and received the first report on Covid by in November

Cuomo doesn't control the national supply for national pandemics
Trump does

Cuomo doesn;t have a war powers act that allows him to make US manufacturers manufacture needed PPE, and ventilators etc
Trump does

Coumo doesn;t have the resources of the country at his fingertips.. in fact.. NY sends more money to the federal government (Trump). than it gets back
TRump has access to the resources of the country.. and in fact.. a good portion of that is money taken from NY.

Trump was blasted early on for putting a travel ban on China. In fact, Pelosi and company were trying to pass an anti-ban bill right at the same time Trump banned travel from China. At one time Trump talked about putting a travel ban on New York and Cuomo and the left said that was not necessary.

 

[Luce]

Trump was blasted early on for putting a travel ban on China.

Oh, that ban that only affected foreign nationals? Useful.

 

[RAMOSS]

But the virus cannot spread when protesting. Please get a grip.

Of course, the spread of the virus outside is over 18 times lower than spreading the virus inside.

 

[digitusmedius]

Why would you call Trump's empty threat, in your words, an act of fascism?

Because of the definition of fascism:

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

Granted, he practices the buffoon version of fascism but that doesn't necessarily make him less a threat to this republic. And you may quibble about the "forcible suppression" aspect but he has several times opined that the military, police forces and biker gangs would rise to keep him in office if he needed them. Empty threat (from an empty suit) or not, that kind of talk is sedition.

 

[digitusmedius]

Mind telling me how Trump is responsible for a virus? Listening to MSM?

He's responsible for letting it get out of control. Here's a clip for the many statements from him dismissing the seriousness of this disease:

[video]https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/19-times-trump-said-the-coronavirus-would-go-away/2020/04/30/d2593312-9593-4ec2-aff7-72c1438fca0e_video.html[/video]

He doesn't say that anymore because, well, even you people would have to then admit he's the pathological liar that the rest of the world sees. Instead, he's just going to try to stuff the bad news. Taking the CDC out of the reporting chain was the big move in that direction. But he and his enablers in the WH aren't going to be able to turn the lights off on what's going on. Sure, he'll still have you people out here pushing his lies for him but every day a greater share of the American public see what a malignant presence he is and are waking up to the massive danger he represents.

 

[digitusmedius]

I completely understand that the herd in stampede is not interested in facts or the truth. Your calling me a Trumper demonstrates how ignorance drives the herd. Your appeal to emotions demonstrates how emotions, not reason, drive the herd.

Thank you for the input.

Any time.

 

[digitusmedius]

Sweden did it. They went commando with virtually no lockdown or masks. Their herd immunity rating is 7.3% and falling.

I'm unfamiliar with that term "herd immunity rating." How is that calculated?

 

[Paradoxical]

He's responsible for letting it get out of control. Here's a clip for the many statements from him dismissing the seriousness of this disease:

[video]https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/19-times-trump-said-the-coronavirus-would-go-away/2020/04/30/d2593312-9593-4ec2-aff7-72c1438fca0e_video.html[/video]

He doesn't say that anymore because, well, even you people would have to then admit he's the pathological liar that the rest of the world sees. Instead, he's just going to try to stuff the bad news. Taking the CDC out of the reporting chain was the big move in that direction. But he and his enablers in the WH aren't going to be able to turn the lights off on what's going on. Sure, he'll still have you people out here pushing his lies for him but every day a greater share of the American public see what a malignant presence he is and are waking up to the massive danger he represents.

May I know how WORDS caused the virus to kill people and less people per million that other countries where no one heard Trump's words?

So, him saying this is not a big deal caused the virus to show hi that it was? Does this make a whit of sense to a rational thinking human being?

If you took New York out of the equation we would be far less but due to mismanagement and mistakes by Cuomo and DeBlasio, the death rate there is through the roof. Guess what party Cuomo is in?

 

[BlueTex]

It is ONLY because Trump recommended it that liberals jumped all over it like white on rice and sought out studies (some of which were debunked) that said it didn't work....the kind where they gave it to patients on their last legs gasping for breath and the liberal doctor said "This stuff don't work worth crap"

Have you actually read the Henry Ford study or are you just regurgitating what you heard on the AM radio?

 

[jakiejakester]

We should not have locked down. I already made a comparison to Sweden who now is FAR ahead of America BECAUSE they didn't lock down. Their populace most likely is immune now. The reason ours isn't is BECAUSE we locked DOWN!!! Don't you get this?? Sheesh!!

That's an absurd scenario! The answer is masks, social distancing, washing hands and no indoor dining, bars, gyms, movies etc. It seems unbelievable that anyone would think that Shelter-In-Place would be the cause? How do you explain the biggest problems are in the states that opened too soon and the northeast, which hasn't is doing far better than the rest of the country?

 

[digitusmedius]

May I know how WORDS caused the virus to kill people and less people per million that other countries where no one heard Trump's words?

So, him saying this is not a big deal caused the virus to show hi that it was? Does this make a whit of sense to a rational thinking human being?

If you took New York out of the equation we would be far less but due to mismanagement and mistakes by Cuomo and DeBlasio, the death rate there is through the roof. Guess what party Cuomo is in?

His "mindset" (for lack of a better term in his case) shapes his response and actions. After all, he's still a human being if a horribly defective one. He took no action at the beginning (and still hasn't) and while he wasn't doing anything his Boy Jeenyus son-in-law was confiscating PPE and ventilators for, in his words "our" use. Now, even as the epidemic is actually spiking particularly in those states loyal to him he wants to rush other people's children into school just for the sake of a pretense of "normality." Of course he won't take responsibility (and your sort will never hold him accountable) when school children (and their teachers) start dying as a result.

But, I do appreciate the self-inflicted irony of your question about why his words should matter when you people hang on his every word to decide how to think and act on any particular subject or day.

 

[jakiejakester]

If Trump failed miserably then Cuomo failed miserably.

Huh? Trump continues to do nothing...Cuomo did everything and now NY has the lowest infection rate in the country per capita. Comparing Trump's performance to Cuomo's is like comparing a wildfire (Trump) to a garbage can fire (Trump)...one is controlled and the other is out of control and getting worse.

 

[Paradoxical]

His "mindset" (for lack of a better term in his case) shapes his response and actions. After all, he's still a human being if a horribly defective one. He took no action at the beginning (and still hasn't) and while he wasn't doing anything his Boy Jeenyus son-in-law was confiscating PPE and ventilators for, in his words "our" use. Now, even as the epidemic is actually spiking particularly in those states loyal to him he wants to rush other people's children into school just for the sake of a pretense of "normality." Of course he won't take responsibility (and your sort will never hold him accountable) when school children (and their teachers) start dying as a result.

WTF are you talking about that he took no action "in the beginning"? Shutting down China travel to the hoots and hows of people like YOU was no action???

The rest of your post is NWRT

 

[iguanaman]

LOL. New York and California are the two worst states for the virus. Can't get past that no matter how much you want to spin.

Actually NY has the virus under control while it is rampant throughout the Red south. My State is now the epicenter of the world.

Florida is now the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic, with the 15,300 new cases reported Sunday the highest single-day total yet in any U.S. state and a quickly diminishing supply of ICU beds, but partisan clashes have prevented the implementation of a mask mandate, which health experts say could save thousands of lives.

Why Florida, The Pandemic’s New Epicenter, Won’t Mandate Face Masks

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/14/890756801/miami-is-becoming-the-epicenter-of-the-pandemic-expert-warns

 

[Paradoxical]

That's an absurd scenario! The answer is masks, social distancing, washing hands and no indoor dining, bars, gyms, movies etc. It seems unbelievable that anyone would think that Shelter-In-Place would be the cause? How do you explain the biggest problems are in the states that opened too soon and the northeast, which hasn't is doing far better than the rest of the country?

Please present to the scientific literature and double blind studies that masks OR distancing has done anything to save one life.

You are aware that the social distancing was dreamed up by a high schooler for a science fair project, right? You are aware that people in the streets don't wear surgical masks right?

 

[Paradoxical]

Have you actually read the Henry Ford study or are you just regurgitating what you heard on the AM radio?

I read it. It showed that it worked. I even excerpted out the part that showed it worked. No more can I do

 

[jakiejakester]

Trump was blasted early on for putting a travel ban on China. In fact, Pelosi and company were trying to pass an anti-ban bill right at the same time Trump banned travel from China. At one time Trump talked about putting a travel ban on New York and Cuomo and the left said that was not necessary.

What has Trump done since then, especially in the last 3 months???

 

[BlueTex]

I read it. It showed that it worked. I even excerpted out the part that showed it worked. No more can I do

They said definitively that it worked?

 

[Paradoxical]

That's an absurd scenario! The answer is masks, social distancing, washing hands and no indoor dining, bars, gyms, movies etc. It seems unbelievable that anyone would think that Shelter-In-Place would be the cause? How do you explain the biggest problems are in the states that opened too soon and the northeast, which hasn't is doing far better than the rest of the country?

Has NOTHING to do with masks or distancing and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that we made people stay inside, we closed everything down ad we did not let nature take its course and humans to gain immunity. Therefore, like the scene in War of the Worlds, when the humans exited their space ships (homes) they keeled over because they were weak and frail and hot not stood up to the virus.

 

[Paradoxical]

They said definitively that it worked?

You look it up. I'm tired of your parrying.

 

[Luce]

Has NOTHING to do with masks or distancing and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that we made people stay inside, we closed everything down ad we did not let nature take its course and humans to gain immunity. Therefore, like the scene in War of the Worlds, when the humans exited their space ships (homes) they keeled over because they were weak and frail and hot not stood up to the virus.

You don't actually seem to understand how immunity works.

 

[digitusmedius]

WTF are you talking about that he took no action "in the beginning"? Shutting down China travel to the hoots and hows of people like YOU was no action???

The rest of your post is NWRT

I'm beginning to feel a bit guilty about how easy it is to smack your Dirtbag worshipping BS down:

Trump'''s `strong wall''' to block COVID-19 from China had holes

And who can forget (besides his Cult) how many times Dirtbag loved-then-hated-then-loved China's role in the covid-19 story:

Trump can’t decide whether to blame China for the coronavirus - POLITICO

But this is the cross you have to bear for going all in for a psychopath.

 

[digitusmedius]

You don't actually seem to understand how immunity works.

Along with everything else in the fact-based world.