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Jazzratt

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Hello. I'm an 18 year old guy from England. I'm also a Transhumanist Anti-Capitalist, my views tend toward communism - although I tend to update parts of that theory with technocracy. I am very passionate about politics.
I am a supporter of Anti-fascist Action
I am a supporter of queer rights.
I am a supporter of transexual rights.
I am a supporter of scientific progress, even at the expense of animals.
I am a supporter of environmentalism as long as it does not prevent technological progress.

I am not a supporter of the wars America has started.
I am not a supporter of the terrorism carried out by nutters in the name of a magical man in the sky.
I am not a supporter of the inefficent price system.

Hope that clears it all up for you guys.
 
welcome.

something to consider - being anti-capitalist makes you opposed to individual rights. No economic system relies on individual rights more so then capitalism.
 
Being anti-capitalist is more related to my hatred of the price system and its trappings. Capitalism is too ineffeciant and must be cast aside - it has served its purpose and is beggining to stagnate.
 
Jazzratt said:
Being anti-capitalist is more related to my hatred of the price system and its trappings. Capitalism is too ineffeciant and must be cast aside - it has served its purpose and is beggining to stagnate.

The price system is based on individual freedom. I set the price that I feel my goods and services are worth. You decide if you think it is fair and reasonable.

As for being "ineffeciant", you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. The invisible hand is an extremely effective side effect of capitalism.

I'm talking true capitalism now, not the watered down socialist version that is stagnating things.
 
Ivan The Terrible said:
Proof human?
THe quick response: Consider the slow in the rate of technological advance since the onset of capitalism, we require a new paradigm. The other quick answer: browse technocracy.ca and other related websites, I'm not about to do all your research for you.



Anti-Fascist Action is a political organisation dedicated to stamping out fascist parties and organisations - like Combat 18 - often violently.



Queer rights, pretty simple. Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Straight, Asexual - whatever you are you deserve equal treatment. Same with Transexuals, both MtF and FtM as well as Transgenderists.
 
Jazzratt,

THe quick response: Consider the slow in the rate of technological advance since the onset of capitalism, we require a new paradigm.

What time frame do you consider "the onset of capitalism"?

Anti-Fascist Action is a political organisation dedicated to stamping out fascist parties and organisations - like Combat 18 - often violently.

So not above using deadly force to get your way... Impressive.

Queer rights, pretty simple. Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Straight, Asexual - whatever you are you deserve equal treatment. Same with Transexuals, both MtF and FtM as well as Transgenderists.

Sounds good to me.
 
ARealConservative said:
The price system is based on individual freedom. I set the price that I feel my goods and services are worth. You decide if you think it is fair and reasonable.
THe Price System also includes most flavours of socialism, just making that clear before I continue. It is more effeciant to simply use energy accounting a system whereby the energy used in the production of goods is simply recorded and then said goods are distributed. Naturally we can't get there from here thus a weakened price system, such as socialism, needs to be in effect. Fair and reasonable does not enter into it, everything has an objective "cost" in the form of energy used in its creation.

As for being "ineffeciant", you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. The invisible hand is an extremely effective side effect of capitalism.
I'm above relegion, I do not put my faith in anything invisible. Unfourtunatley the fact that your distributive system can't even feed a mere 6 billion people on even a single warm meal a day is but one example of its inefficency.

I'm talking true capitalism now, not the watered down socialist version that is stagnating things.
:rofl "Socialist" that's what this sytem is, is it? Funny, it looked like Welfare-Capitalism. But then again I'll trust your judgment, after all what would I, the marx reader, possibly know about socialism.
 
Ivan The Terrible said:
What time frame do you consider "the onset of capitalism"?
The Industrial Revolution.



So not above using deadly force to get your way... Impressive.
Nope, violence is often a nescessity, especially when dealing with the very real threat of fascism in, say, Russia.



Sounds good to me.
:2razz: Everyone's got to agree at some point, eh?
 
Jazzratt said:
I'm above relegion, I do not put my faith in anything invisible. Unfourtunatley the fact that your distributive system can't even feed a mere 6 billion people on even a single warm meal a day is but one example of its inefficency.

the invisible hand doesn't necessarily mean religion. I'm an athiest and I don't look at the invisible hand as something spiritual in nature.

If the only way to feed 6 billion people a day is to subject humanity to the form of slavery that you currently endorse, then the invisible hand is efficiently keeping population levels down to managable levels.
 
Jazzratt,

The Industrial Revolution.

Allow me to get this accurate... You affirm that this, The Industrial Revolution, is the time frame of the advent of Capitalism, and at the same time you are declaring that the rate of technological advance has slowed since? Really? Compared to what time?
 
Ivan The Terrible said:
Jazzratt,



Allow me to get this accurate... You affirm that this, The Industrial Revolution, is the time frame of the advent of Capitalism, and at the same time you are declaring that the rate of technological advance has slowed since? Really? Compared to what time?

:rofl

pwned
 
Ivan The Terrible said:
Jazzratt,



Allow me to get this accurate... You affirm that this, The Industrial Revolution, is the time frame of the advent of Capitalism, and at the same time you are declaring that the rate of technological advance has slowed since? Really? Compared to what time?

Well, our current rate of technolgocial advance is incredibly poor. We have produced no more significatnt inventions that changed our world as much as the machines of the industrial revolutiion, at least not at the same rate. We may have made computers and so on, but at an excuricatingly slow pace.
 
Jazzratt,

Well, our current rate of technolgocial advance is incredibly poor. We have produced no more significatnt inventions that changed our world as much as the machines of the industrial revolutiion, at least not at the same rate. We may have made computers and so on, but at an excuricatingly slow pace.

What do you consider an "excruciatingly slow pace"? What does an invention have to do to "change our world"?

ARealConservative,

Glad I can help.
 
Jazzratt said:
Well, our current rate of technolgocial advance is incredibly poor. We have produced no more significatnt inventions that changed our world as much as the machines of the industrial revolutiion, at least not at the same rate. We may have made computers and so on, but at an excuricatingly slow pace.

How do you define an acceptable rate of advance?

How do you know your system would improve on the current rate?
 
ARealConservative,

Looks like we are on the same wave length. :rofl
 
Ivan The Terrible said:
ARealConservative,

Looks like we are on the same wave length. :rofl

except your synapsis are processing those wave lengths about 60 seconds quicker.

My rate of advancement is unacceptable.
 
ARealConservative said:
except your synapsis are processing those wave lengths about 60 seconds quicker.

My rate of advancement is unacceptable.

Agreed. Your mind needs a comunist revolt. Brain cells of the mind unite!
 
Welcome to Debate Politics Jazzratt!

I would like to encourage you to read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.

She *proves* that Capitalism is the only true moral, acceptable, and victimless system. Careful, it is some heavy reading. :)
 
vauge said:
Welcome to Debate Politics Jazzratt!

I would like to encourage you to read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.

She *proves* that Capitalism is the only true moral, acceptable, and victimless system. Careful, it is some heavy reading. :)


Great book!
 
Jazzratt said:
Hello. I'm an 18 year old guy from England. I'm also a Transhumanist Anti-Capitalist, my views tend toward communism - although I tend to update parts of that theory with technocracy. I am very passionate about politics.
I am a supporter of Anti-fascist Action
I am a supporter of queer rights.
I am a supporter of transexual rights.
I am a supporter of scientific progress, even at the expense of animals.
I am a supporter of environmentalism as long as it does not prevent technological progress.

I am not a supporter of the wars America has started.
I am not a supporter of the terrorism carried out by nutters in the name of a magical man in the sky.
I am not a supporter of the inefficent price system.

Hope that clears it all up for you guys.
Hey, what can I say but welcome to the jungle... Have you ever dreamed of moving to Havana and living in harmony with the things you support?

Again, welcome!
 
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welcome Jazzratt.

someone else may have asked this, but

Communism

Technocracy

Isn't Technocracy based somewhat on merit whereas Communism is not?
 
Glad to see another Transhumanist and Technocrat here on Debate Politics.

Jazzratt said:
... my views tend toward communism - although I tend to update parts of that theory with technocracy...

I'd caution you to be careful attempting to use technocracy to "update" other economic systems, though. You mention anti-capitalism as a result of your disgust at the inefficiencies of the Price System... but Communism is just as much a function of the Price System, and it leads to the same abuses.

It doesn't matter who sets the prices and who owns the machines. If your economic system is based on trading labor for goods, automation will destroy it. And if your means of production are controlled by majority rule... well, it'll destroy itself.

ARealConservative said:
No economic system relies on individual rights more so then capitalism.

Capitalism relies on the rights of capitalists, and the only human rights it supports are those that can be bought or sold.

ARealConservative said:
If the only way to feed 6 billion people a day is to subject humanity to the form of slavery that you currently endorse, then the invisible hand is efficiently keeping population levels down to managable levels.

Not knowing how much technocratic design he has absorbed into his Communism, I can't speak for his views-- but Technocracy is not a system of slavery. It does not involve State ownership over either the means of production or the means of distribution, and it does not allow those who control production or distribution to use them as tools of control.

If you're interested in seeing how this technology differs from Socialism or Communism, read the materials on Technocracy, Inc's website.


She *proves* that Capitalism is the only true moral, acceptable, and victimless system. Careful, it is some heavy reading. :)

Think you hit the wrong key-- you were looking for quotation marks, not asterisks. You can "prove" anything you want in a fictional work, simply because you are in control of what is effective in your fictional world and what is not.

Might also point out that the moral postulates and arguments she uses to defend Capitalism would also rule out absolutely any attempt by government to reward, influence, or coerce moral behavior-- and that the moral values she professes are antithetical to human civilization.

wonder cow said:
Isn't Technocracy based somewhat on merit whereas Communism is not?

They're both theoretically based on merit, but they're both somewhat subject to human frailties. The major improvement in Technocracy is that it removes the means by which corruption is rewarded-- since there's no way to "game" the system for material benefit or trade political favors, there's simply no reason to be corrupt.

Technocracy is still slightly vulnerable to favoritism and office politics, but it requires the support of one's co-workers and one's superiors to rise in position-- so variance between the best candidate and the one who gets promoted woud be less.
 
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